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Schneier Has Something Good To Say About Airport Security

Bruce Schneier points out on his blog a proposal to use electronic randomizers at airport security checkpoints. Schneier writes there: "I've seen something like this at customs in, I think, India. Every passenger walks up to a kiosk and presses a button. If the green light turns on, he walks through. If the red light turns on, his bags get searched. Presumably the customs officials can set the search percentage. Automatic randomized screening is a good idea. It's free from bias or profiling. It can't be gamed. These both make it more secure. Note that this is just an RFI from the TSA. An actual program might be years away, and it might not be implemented well. But it's certainly a start." In this case, the proposal is for randomizers that direct passengers to particular conveyor-belt lines for screening.

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  1. Same in Mexico. by icebike · · Score: 4, Informative

    Nothing new here.
    Had the same experience in mexico a dozen years ago.
    Red light or green light.
    But back then, there was a guy standing on a switch could just flex his knee to make additional selections if you looks particularly shady.

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    1. Re:Same in Mexico. by realityimpaired · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'll get hate for saying this but if ALL of your bombings and attacks are ONLY coming from ONE group, a group that rhymes with "Buslim"? Then it is NOT profiling to throw an extra glance at those that are part of that group!

      You won't get hate for it, but you'll probably get a group of people pointing out that they aren't all coming from that particular ethnic group, and that there's a very long history of terrorism happening pretty much everywhere.

      If the Muslims were really as fucked up as some people would have you believe, the world would be a glass-floored parking lot by now. There are a billion of 'em in the world today, and some of them have had nuclear weapons for 40 years. Like the rest of us, most of 'em just want to be allowed to live their lives in peace and without persecution. If you held up examples like Ted Kaczynski or David Koresh or the IRA as examples of every Christian, you'd be shouted down pretty quickly, so it boggles the mind that people are ok with making the same comparisons for Muslims. That has nothing to do with political correctness, that's about opening your eyes and seeing that the overwhelming majority of Muslims just want to be left alone.

      People don't tend to report on the Muslims living in Indonesia, Bangladesh, Jordan, or Pakistan because it's not interesting news: they're all countries with a majority Muslim population, and they're all moderate/progressive countries. Hell, 2 of those countries currently have a woman sitting as head of state... When was the last time the US had a female President? And yet you're calling *them* backwards...

    2. Re:Same in Mexico. by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'll take the bait. Ever been to Nigeria?

      There are Christian Extremists just like there are Muslim Extremists -- and there are Hindi Extremists as well, for that matter. The rest of the logic is left as an exercise for the reader.

    3. Re:Same in Mexico. by cffrost · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Please have a look at the Wikipedia article "Terrorism in the United States: Attacks by type" , and you'll see that (just in the US,) nearly every sort of group/ideology you can imagine has (or has had) violent, extremist elements. I believe the only reason Islamic violence is played up in western media is because Muslim extremism is the government's boogeyman du jour, and using those events in its fear-mongering propaganda helps garner support for the MIC and the government's drive towards (ever-greater) authoritarianism.

      Please also see the links in a comment I wrote earlier for evidence that shows why profiling is not only less effective, but also substantially less secure than random screening.

      I added you to my Slashdot friend list due to your compassionate and insightful posts on poverty, political corruption, war, wealth disparity, and you technical knowledge. Please read the links I provided; I am not prepared to write you off as a mere bigot based on one post.

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  2. Pennies on The Billion Dollars by cosm · · Score: 4, Funny

    I propose a device for random selection, consisting of a circular round object minted by our very own Federal Government that generates binary decisions with 50% probability, I can deliver these devices to the TSA at 100 units a shipment for a small price of $340,000 per shipment. I can have them delivered to every airport in the country within 2 weeks and we can implement this program by the Fall. They require no maintenance other than a 10 year service contract that adjust their randomness factor every year.

    Any VC's out there?

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    1. Re:Pennies on The Billion Dollars by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Keep in mind the training costs of using these circular round objects to generate binary decisions.

    2. Re:Pennies on The Billion Dollars by Kjella · · Score: 4, Funny

      And don't forget the advanced adaptive screening rate through combinatorial probabilistics with both parallell and serial execution methods. You can also implement multiple selection criteria at once, subselecting some passengers to even more intensive screening methods. Though for expediency I'd recommend the d20.system instead.

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  3. Is there evidence that profiling is not effective? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Is there evidence that profiling passengers based on appearance and behavior is not more effective than randomized screening?

  4. Vancouver (YVR) has something similar by KPexEA · · Score: 4, Informative

    You stand on a mat and it directs you to one of three different security lines, presumably to randomize the screeners incase you have one on your payroll.,

  5. Binomial Theory by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 5, Funny

    Any terrorist with a simple grasp of binomial theory could work out the number of terrorists to send through the gate necessary to achieve a 90% confidence that one of them gets through with the bomb, given only the relative probability of red vs. green.

    So we must prevent binomial theory getting in the hands of terrorists.

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    1. Re:Binomial Theory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Any terrorist with a simple grasp of binomial theory could work out the number of terrorists to send through the gate necessary to achieve a 90% confidence that one of them gets through with the bomb, given only the relative probability of red vs. green.

      Any terrorist can realize that a security line (which gets huge during busy season) is as good of a place as any to detonate a bomb. No security _before_ the checkpoint.

  6. Re:Low tech solution by d'baba · · Score: 5, Funny

    Issue the TSA some dice?

    Only if I can negate the search with a saving throw...

  7. Re:Is there evidence that profiling is not effecti by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I don't want to misrepresent Schneier's position, but I've read articles of his in the past which basically say a profile is bad because it gives a way to avoid screening: avoid matching the profile.

    Randomized screening may allow a single terrorist through, but something like 9/11 which required 19 guys means almost certainly one of them will be caught. If one is caught, you know to look for others.

    Of course, the real solution is locking the cockpit doors and passengers who will kill anyone who tries to hijack an airplane.

  8. Common sense is not bigotry by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Informative

    just functioning brain cells and a lack of bigotry.

    It's not bigotry to pay more attention by behavior profiling and using a little common sense rather than blind rule following.

    Behavior analysis is free of racial implications.

    Meanwhile "The Randomizer" pulls aside a four year old while letting through some sweaty guy with the shakes and an oddly bulging coat.

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    1. Re:Common sense is not bigotry by Col.+Bloodnok · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think Schneier wrote about this in 'Beyond Fear'. A book which I think should be required reading for all politicians and policy makers.

      The security staff in Israeli airports are trained to look for people 'acting hinky' - they have years of experience in this and an excellent record.

      The Taliban in particular are not above using innocent women or children as remotely detonated 'suicide' vest victims - sometimes willing, but often not.

      There is nothing preventing a mixed approach. Randomise searches by all means (I agree with Schneier, it can't not improve security), but you need the human behavioral analysis to bolster this for better security - that analysis is best done by trained professionals, something which the TSA are currently, not.

  9. Re:Is there evidence that profiling is not effecti by taustin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Profiling inevitably produces more false (usually an order of magnitude more) positives than real positives, and generally produces as many false negatives as false positivves. In other words, you're a lot more likely to spend your time searching someone for no reason than catch an actual bad guy, and as likely to let a real bad guy through as not.

    And that assumes the profiling is done in an objective, unbiased manner. When human decisions are made as to who gets profiled, there will be bias, whether the humans doing it realize it or not. This, at least, eliminates that.

    I'll bet, though, without reading TFA, that there is no thought whatsoever of this replacing any current profile based screening, only being used in addition to everything done now.

  10. Re:The real security theater by taustin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The oldest suicide bomber I can find was a 64 year old woman. And an youngest person arrested for trying to be one is 11.

    Not quite your 4 to 80 range, but close enough that you look pretty silly and uninformed.

  11. Re:Is there evidence that profiling is not effecti by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Frankly, I don't care how effective either is; just get rid of the TSA and stop harassing people, even if at random or by profiling.

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  12. Re:Is there evidence that profiling is not effecti by cffrost · · Score: 5, Informative

    Is there evidence that profiling passengers based on appearance and behavior is not more effective than randomized screening?

    Yes. MIT published a paper entitled "Carnival Booth" that demonstrated that random screening is more secure than profiling, essentially due to the latter's vulnerability to probing:

    Carnival Booth: An Algorithm for Defeating the Computer-Assisted Passenger Screening System

    A Lay Explanation of the MIT Research Paper [Carnival Booth]

    Schneier on Security: Profiling

    Proxy bombs are also difficult to screen for with profiles.

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  13. Re:How idiotic by osu-neko · · Score: 5, Insightful

    With a monolithic culture, a purely random process makes sense... Could you please direct me to that imaginary monolithic culture? I want to move there and F*ck it all up...

    Imagine wasting 70 percent of your time searching grandmothers, children, and the handicapped instead of searching the more likely demographic. It's pure idiocy to think profiling is a bad thing. If you are profiling to harass then yes it is bad but if you are profiling because the profiled group is doing all of the bad things then profiling is not bad. Only an idiot can't see such an obvious truth...

    If you have a building with four entrances, and you have twelve guards to cover them, do you put three at each entrance, covering each as best you can, or do you put nine on one entrance you think is most likely to see an attacker, and only one on each of the other three?

    If you're an idiot, you do the latter. If you're not an idiot, you realize the former yields maximum security, because as soon as you put all your guards on one entrance, it becomes far easier for an attacker to get in, they just use one of the other three.

    If you can understand that, you should be able to comprehend why searching any particular demographic more (and thus, by diverting resources, means you search others less) makes you less secure, not more. As soon as your move resources into an uneven distribution mode, you open up exploitable holes, and you're a moron if you think your enemy won't exploit that.

    Your "obvious truth" is the kind of thing uneducated people who don't really understand the problem say. Answers always seem obvious when you don't understand the problem -- but you could actually try educating yourself before spouting off idiotic nonsense...

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  14. Re:Is there evidence that profiling is not effecti by Somebody+Is+Using+My · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Profiling gives criminals a way to game the system; if you don't look like the profile then you don't get tagged as a potential criminal (it also allows some unfortunate biases to come into play by the profiler). The solution, Schneier suggests, is a system that by its simple randomness, does not allow profiling or gaming.

    Whether you agree with his logic or not, I strongly doubt that any such system would be allowed into common usage in US airports without an override. This negates the very advantages Schneier advocates. Whether this addition strengthens the overall system is up to debate (Schneier would argue that it does not), but the addition of a human override weakens those aspects that Schneier looks upon favorably.

    Myself, I think all such methods are extreme overkill and that its far more likely that criminals interested in damaging the US with such attacks will strike at our practically undefended infrastructure, be it the huge AV fuel tanks at the airport, or any of the bridges or tunnels in a major city, or some toxic chemical depot in an urban area. Most of these are protected by little more than rusty chain-link fencing and an underpaid security guard and could cause far more harm than a simple plane crash. It's these weaknesses that terrify me far more than the presumed risk of some schmuck with a razor blade hijacking a plane. I'd rather they stop wasting money frisking passengers for penknives and spend it shoring up those vulnerabilities instead.

    Or alternately, we could stop pissing off three-quarters of the world so they all don't want to blow us up. It's just whacky enough an idea to work!