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Interactive Nukemap Now In 3D

Lasrick writes "The brilliant Alex Wellerstein has an interactive map that shows the effects of a variety of atomic bombs on whatever city in the world you choose (you can designate the yield or choose from a wide variety of pre-programmed yields, like Fatman, Little Boy, or what the Soviets had at time of the Cuban Missile Crisis). Compelling in a scary sort of way. A 3D version is available."

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  1. Funny game. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The only way to win is not to play.

  2. They had these during the Cold War, slow news day? by couchslug · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Of course the maps weren't as pretty, but this has been done to death.

    The danger of nuclear war in minuscule compared to the days when Soviets and Maoists were a threat. Now Russians and Chinese are our business partners.

    Detente worked, thanks be to Richard Nixon!

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  3. Getting better at what we do. by Riddler+Sensei · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Christ, it really puts into perspective the rate at which these things have gained destructive power since their inception. The difference between the effects of "Little Boy" and the Tsar Bomba on Hiroshima are...jarring.

    1. Re:Getting better at what we do. by demonlapin · · Score: 2

      The quotation is from the Bhagavad Gita, which Oppenheimer had read in Sanskrit. "Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds" is how he phrased it in English.

  4. So outdated by manu0601 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is so outdated; Today's significant threat to US is a 30 years old person hidden in a Moscow airport.

    1. Re:So outdated by dbIII · · Score: 2

      He's just the messenger that's telling the people of the US what their most significant threat is.

    2. Re:So outdated by cold+fjord · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, he's just another threat. But he could make the other threats more dangerous. The US relies upon the NSA to avoid another Pearl Harbor. The information Snowden stole can show governments and organization that are adversaries of the US how to avoid or minimize the chances of detection by the NSA, and perhaps more. His four laptops of secrets are said to be extremely damaging. The revelations Snowden has made have already resulted in reports of terrorist groups changing their communications methods away from those more susceptible to US interception. Oddly enough he fled to two countries that count themselves as adversaries of the US to varying degrees, up to and including the threat of attack by nuclear weapons. Former career KGB officer and current Russian President Vladimir Putin will gladly suffer Snowden's presence. I'll be somewhat surprised if we hear of any similar leaks from China, Russia, or other countries that are either currently or trending authoritarian or worse - after all, you don't want to upset your hosts. It's also interesting that Snowden's lawyer spokesman in Russia reportedly does PR work for the FSB. Sweet.

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    3. Re:So outdated by cold+fjord · · Score: 2

      You mean by following his travels? That might be OK so far, but I doubt he'll make it to Iran or North Korea.

      But since in recent years both Chinese and Russian officials have threatened nuclear attacks against the US and its armed forces, or against NATO forces as well in the case of Russia, there is some validity to that.

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    4. Re:So outdated by metrix007 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You seem to of the opinion that the ends justifies the means, at least concerning the actions of the NSA.

      I don't often say this, but your opinion is flat out wrong. We have no evidence that the NSA was not abusing the information they collected without congressional oversight. We have no evidence that their intruding into the lives of citizens from the US and other countries helped stop anything.

      All we have evidence of is that the NSA lied to congress and was illegally surveying a large percentage of the world, without authorization.

      Snowden did everyone a favor, and while he should perhaps be punished, it should be with time served for having to be on the run. He did the people of the US a favor, and that is not treason or espionage.

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  5. Re:I chose the largest we ever tested by amiga3D · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually one reason they went to smaller bombs is because they're more effective. Two 500 Kiloton bombs actually do more damage than one 1 Megaton bomb.

  6. Re:I chose the largest we ever tested by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And with separate delivery mechanics, one is likely to come through.

  7. Re:what side do you want? by the_bard17 · · Score: 2

    Meh. He knows someone will retaliate, and it'll end up wiping out enough citizens to significantly hurt the corporate base of power in the U.S. If a significant portion of the population is dead, we can't exactly go out and buy stuff, can we?

  8. Re:what side do you want? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When have you not had a reckless and irresponsible president?

  9. Doesn't account for terrain effects by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Terrain effects are very important. Nagasaki is a practical example.

    What he's basically done is take the calculations form the Nuclear Bomb Effects Computer and draw circles on Google Maps. A good first step, but really, not particularly useful.

    A decent model would
    a) take into account terrain (there are all the databases, and a simple approximation for shadowing isn't all that tough. You don't need to model the shockwave over ground, for instance, but the flash is important for large yield devices.
    b) do fallout analysis based on climatological model for winds. Easily available databases (NCAR reanalysis project for instance)

  10. Re:They had these during the Cold War, slow news d by ebno-10db · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now Russians and Chinese are our business partners.

    So were Germans and Japanese in 1939.

  11. So I "nuked" Detroit... by DG · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...and the simulation reported a 40% increase in property values inside the blast radius.

    I had no idea the sim was that accurate.

    (I kid. I kid because I love. 519 represent! )

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  12. Re:They had these during the Cold War, slow news d by confused+one · · Score: 2

    My expectations are simpler than all out war. At some point a terrorist group will manage to get their hands on a nuke. The easiest delivery method is cargo container. One day, one of our ports is going to disappear. I hope I'm wrong...

  13. Where's the technology? by RR · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is a relatively boring app. It's drawing circles on Google Maps based only on estimates of yield, height, and level of destruction. I wanted to see the effects of geography and prevailing weather patterns on the distribution of destruction.

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  14. Re:I chose the largest we ever tested by cold+fjord · · Score: 2

    Explosive power dissipates as a function of the cube root of the equivalent mass of explosive.

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  15. Re:They had these during the Cold War, slow news d by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My expectations are simpler than all out war. At some point a terrorist group will manage to get their hands on a nuke. The easiest delivery method is cargo container. One day, one of our ports is going to disappear. I hope I'm wrong...

    You are wrong. The worst a terrorist is ever going to be able to do is a dirty bomb - basically a bunch of C4 next to the radioactive material. The bomb will spread radiation across one or two city blocks and that's about it.

    The reason that they will never actually detonate a real nuke is that they are complicated and extremely delicate. The shape of the bomb must be absolutely perfect and the timing of the charge detonations must be accurate to within microseconds, else nothing happens. Getting the shape right is so important that people working on at least one major nuclear programat Los Alamos had to classify all spheres, including oranges.

    It will take the resources of a nation-state to blow up a nuke on US soil and no matter what any war-mongering politicians have said, no actual nation-state is stupid enough to do that because it means the end of that country. Not Iran, not North Korea. Not going to happen.

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  16. Re:They had these during the Cold War, slow news d by dkleinsc · · Score: 2

    So were Germans and Japanese in 1939.

    And some multinationals continued those business relationships between 1939 and 1945, or nominally severed the relationship with their subsidiaries in those countries and then collected the profits after the war.

    Big business is only loyal to profits. Flags, ideals, countries, and people are secondary concerns at best.

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  17. Re:They had these during the Cold War, slow news d by khallow · · Score: 2

    It was the multinationals that made a mess in the 19th century.

    Like England, France, Russia, Germany, Belgium, etc.

    The answer isn't to simply shift power around. It's to devolve and extinguish power completely.

    Can't be done. Someone will always be stronger, smarter, or have a hold on someone else.

  18. Re:They had these during the Cold War, slow news d by DigiShaman · · Score: 2

    Pakistan. Should an islamic revolution take over the military, I fully expect a bomb to go "missing" only years later to be found exploded on US or European soil. Of course, not by Pakistan, but by some Islamic fuck looking to jihad himself to paradise.

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  19. Fallout by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The only way to win is not to play.

    Actually the only way to win is for nobody to play. Even if you don't play yourself the fallout from the idiot playing next door may still get you.

  20. Half right by aepervius · · Score: 2

    The main fear for nuclear terrorism is not that they build their own bomb, but rather that they get one thru stealing/corruption/or jsut plain buying from the soviet or other state with nuclear weapon. Can you be sure that nuke from ,say , France are as secure as the US one against stealing ? Now repeat the same question with say, Pakistan or India ? That's the real deal. If nuclear terrorism ever happen, it will be that way.

    But far more likely before nuclear terrorism will be bio-chemical terrorism which do not need as much facility. VX gas, for example. Or even some changed virus, because some apocalyptic cult want us all dead.

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    1. Re:Half right by bickerdyke · · Score: 2

      Please note that you are making assumptions on the security of US nukes.

      https://www.google.com/search?q=lost+nuclear+bombs

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  21. Re:They had these during the Cold War, slow news d by Internetuser1248 · · Score: 2

    The answer isn't to simply shift power around. It's to devolve and extinguish power completely.

    Can't be done. Someone will always be stronger, smarter, or have a hold on someone else.

    The best answer I know is to dilute power. It never goes away but giving a huge number of smaller groups and individuals power makes it less dangerous as no one group or individual has a lot.

  22. Re:They had these during the Cold War, slow news d by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 2

    A Little Boy design requires an artillery tube and regular explosive. It can be built from a standing start with 1940s technology and is so straightforward the Manhattan Project didn't need to test it.

    It's inefficient and unsafe but it works.

  23. Re:They had these during the Cold War, slow news d by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Just that this time, it's you Americans who are the warmongering expansionist extremist crazy country.

    Yep, to us Europeans, you're worse than Russia and China. Combined, even.. I think only North Korea or Pakistan can still beat you. But Pakistan doesn't have a big lead on you, to be frank.

    And I'm a European who usually defends the USA by saying that one can't generalize this, since there are a lot of great people in the USA too. But honestly, that's true for Pakistan and North Korea too. It's always the few confident assholes who spoil it for the pathetic rest.

    Oh, and we here in Germany try hard to imitate you guys by the way. So the joke's on us, I guess... ;)

  24. Re:They had these during the Cold War, slow news d by YttriumOxide · · Score: 2

    And some multinationals continued those business relationships between 1939 and 1945, or nominally severed the relationship with their subsidiaries in those countries and then collected the profits after the war.

    And just think, without WW2, Fanta would never have been developed! What kind of a world would that be?

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  25. Re:IRAN ?? NUKE EM NOW !! by DMJC · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hit Israel, Mecca, and the Vatican at the same time. Watch all the Abrahamic nutters wet themselves. Bet none of the books predict that coming.

  26. Re:They had these during the Cold War, slow news d by Isca · · Score: 2

    You are wrong. The worst a terrorist is ever going to be able to do is a dirty bomb - basically a bunch of C4 next to the radioactive material. The bomb will spread radiation across one or two city blocks and that's about it.

    The reason that they will never actually detonate a real nuke is that they are complicated and extremely delicate. The shape of the bomb must be absolutely perfect and the timing of the charge detonations must be accurate to within microseconds, else nothing happens. Getting the shape right is so important that people working on at least one major nuclear programat Los Alamos had to classify all spheres, including oranges.

    It will take the resources of a nation-state to blow up a nuke on US soil and no matter what any war-mongering politicians have said, no actual nation-state is stupid enough to do that because it means the end of that country. Not Iran, not North Korea. Not going to happen.

    I don't know about that. Most of the problems in shaping it comes down to having the machines to craft and shape the bomb to tight tolerances. We've been able to keep the machines that can make objects and refine materials with such tolerance out of foreign states for the most part. That's what has saved us as much as anything. The math is pretty much out there in the open to a degree. With 3d printing and 3d shaping (lathes/cnc/etc) I don't think we are far from being able to shape any material into any shape. And there are explosives that could certainly be printed and shaped to the nth degree. With some of the new technologies going mainstream and available from all quarters it's going to be downright impossible for us to control those technologies. I think the chances are going to be much higher.