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What Wi-Fi Would Look Like If We Could See It

Daniel_Stuckey writes "Artist Nickolay Lamm, a blogger for MyDeals.com, decided to shed some light on the subject. He created visualizations that imagine the size, shape, and color of wi-fi signals were they visible to the human eye. 'I feel that by showing what wi-fi would look like if we could see it, we'd appreciate the technology that we use everyday,' Lamm told me in an email. 'A lot of us use technology without appreciating the complexity behind making it work.'"

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  1. Huh? by Laxori666 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I could always see it that way. I thought it looked that way to everyone? I always wondered why when I took a photo I wouldn't see the waves in the photo.

    1. Re:Huh? by gl4ss · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I could always see it that way. I thought it looked that way to everyone? I always wondered why when I took a photo I wouldn't see the waves in the photo.

      I think it's just your dope supplier playing pranks on you.

      anyway the picture is cheesimusmaximus. bullshit scifi drawing - the waves would go so fast that it would color just everything in rainbow hues if it worked like that. in the pics it's also quite projected.. along flat wavy planes.

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    2. Re:Huh? by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 2

      I have to admit, I was hoping for coloured 3-D clouds -- where it actually mapped the signal strength curve of each channel including reflections from each AP.

      I was also hoping that someone had developed a CCD that responded in the WiFi wavelengths instead of visible spectrum. Oh well.... maybe someone will visualize it as flying pigs next.

    3. Re:Huh? by hawguy · · Score: 5, Funny

      I could always see it that way. I thought it looked that way to everyone? I always wondered why when I took a photo I wouldn't see the waves in the photo.

      Nice one Geordi. Stop going on about how superior your VISOR is. You're blind. We get it.

  2. As a tinfoil hat-smith by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 3, Funny

    I wish they were visible...

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    1. Re:As a tinfoil hat-smith by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      Just make some glasses that can "see" in the RF spectrum used by WiFi and translate it to visual spectrum. Repeat for all other radiations, and compress it all to the visual spectrum. Make the wrap-around goggles into a visor. Possibly tunable and also able to pick up particles (see alpha and beta radiation, or see smells). I'm sure they'd sell. At $1000 each, you'd sell billions. Be a trillionaire. I'm just missing the sensor technology, and test subjects, LeVar Burton keeps turning me down.

    2. Re:As a tinfoil hat-smith by rullywowr · · Score: 5, Insightful
      As an RF Field Support Engineer, I deal with this on a daily basis. The truth is that there is always some kind of noise floor, therefore if you could "see" RF energy it would be a lot different than light (visible) energy as there is ALWAYS some energy around and it would most likely obscure your "vision" of the spectrum. Completely. The question is where is the noise floor and where would you set your "squelch" to be? Also, where are the RF reflections off of solid objects? Where is the phase cancellation from competing waves?

      On a side note, we already have technology that can "see" RF...it's called a Spectrum Analyzer. Many are available in many forms. Or you could simply download one of the many Wi-Fi software tools available and visualize what is happening in those (Wi-Fi) regions of the RF spectrum right from your very own computer or tablet. I suppose if you wanted to get downright stupid you could tape a directional RF antenna on your head and pipe the output from your analyzer into a pair of LCD goggles. Woo-hoo.

      In other words, this article is downright shit and has zero credibility other than some asshat that was getting fruity on the ol' rainbow gaussian blur in Photoshop over some stock pictures.

    3. Re:As a tinfoil hat-smith by Stumbles · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Yes spectrum analyzers are used as you suggest but they show you a side view of a three dimensional wave.

      Still though I agree, this artist is nothing more than an asshat.

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    4. Re:As a tinfoil hat-smith by matrim99 · · Score: 2
      Agreed; I RTFA in order to learn something about the patterns for broadcasting, reflecting, and cancelling out of these waves. Instead, the images were created by someone who has less of a clue about radio waves than even I do, and they didn't even try to visualize anything even remotely close to reality.

      TLDR: Ooh, pretty colors.

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    5. Re:As a tinfoil hat-smith by BrokenHalo · · Score: 2

      My bullshitometer went into the red when I saw how he seems to imagine the radio waves go around a pond, rather than across...

    6. Re:As a tinfoil hat-smith by the_other_chewey · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yup, this is worthless.

      in TFA, the person creating the pretty images is cited:
      "Wifi waves are about 3 to 5 inches from crest to crest.
      The crests of waves is translated to a 1 by a computer,
      and the the troughs equal a 0.
      "

      I laughed out loud and closed the tab.

    7. Re:As a tinfoil hat-smith by JakartaDean · · Score: 2

      Yup, this is worthless. in TFA, the person creating the pretty images is cited: "Wifi waves are about 3 to 5 inches from crest to crest. The crests of waves is translated to a 1 by a computer, and the the troughs equal a 0." I laughed out loud and closed the tab.

      I had exactly the same reaction. WTF??? He had an expert astrobiologist advisor too... I guess he calls a baker when he wants his hair cut.

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  3. Radar by lobiusmoop · · Score: 2

    Wifi is just microwave radiation. We already 'see' microwave radiation, it is called 'radar'.

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  4. Er.... wifi IS radio... by jerel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This quote is a little off: "The distance between wifi waves is shorter than that of radio waves...". It is radio, at 2.4 GHz. (first post?)

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    1. Re:Er.... wifi IS radio... by black3d · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, there's a lot of technical errors in the article. All we know for sure, is that he can photoshop rainbows onto photographs. I'd take anything else stated there with a grain of salt.. Most of the "technical" information about wifi in the article is incorrect.

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  5. It would look like light by tom17 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Surely it would just look like light (with a different 'colour'). Things that block it would not appear to give off light, things that allow it to pass would appear to glow, and things that reflect it would just be visible if there is already some ambient wifi 'light' to reflect.

    Is this actually how things work at these lower frequencies? Or would it work completely differently in regards to how it refracts/reflects etc?

    1. Re:It would look like light by chuckinator · · Score: 4, Informative

      The graphic shows 2 perpendicular waves centered on the transmission axis. I understand he's trying to depict the I and Q components of a signal, but it's just a singular, corkscrew waveform in real life that we cannot easily map from 3D to 2D in most educational graphics on the subject. Some of the fancier radio chains compute the jQ component because the Nyquist frequency of the ADC in the baseband receiver only has to equal the frequency of your baseband instead of 2x the baseband frequency when you're only sampling the I component.

      This is just nitpicking, but the wavelengths are HUGE. I understand that it's impossible to depict a wavelength in nanometers without resorting to showing a fuzzy cloud and saying that there's not enough pixels to show the discreet waveforms. tom17 is dead right when he says it would look like light, because all the scattering and reflection and refraction occurs with visible EMF as well as radio.

    2. Re:It would look like light by hyperquantization · · Score: 2

      This is exactly how it works. The only difference is, at longer wavelength/lower frequencies, the size/density of objects that are considered opaque is higher (a person is roughly large/dense enough to block RF, a toothbrush is not), while each photon is less easily scattered or refracted.

      You could even go so far as to say the perceived color also depends upon the channel within the Wi-Fi spectrum, much like the false-colored images of non-visible astronomical imagery (e.g.: Cosmic Microwave Background radiation).

  6. Re:Ad supported post... by pspahn · · Score: 3, Funny

    The bloggers at MyDeals.com are some of the most forward thinking RF engineers on the planet, though, be sure not to confuse them with the exceptional Geo engineers often found blogging for FreeCreditReportOnline.com... those guys are genius.

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  7. Is the article confused? by black3d · · Score: 4, Insightful

    >The crests of waves is translated to a 1 by a computer, and the the troughs equal a 0.

    So, every Wifi signal is "10101010101010101010101010101010..."?

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    1. Re:Is the article confused? by kamakazi · · Score: 2

      Yeah, I looked at those troughs and crests and said
      "Wait, that isn't wifi, I don't see any Orthogonal frequency-division multiplexing there, he must have accidentally visualized the NSA scanner waves protecting Washington DC from any stray intelligence"

      And then I realized the NSA scanner waves must really work.

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    2. Re:Is the article confused? by Pinhedd · · Score: 2

      Yes, the article is very confused. Wifi standards do not measure just the amplitude of one stream to separate ones from zeroes. It has to measure the amplitude of two separate streams as well as their phase angle. The exact method of coding depends on the data rate but in general most methods boil down to Binary Phase-Shift Keying (1 bit per symbol), and Quadrature Amplitude Modulation (2, 4, or 6 bits per symbol for 4-QAM, 16-QAM, and 64-QAM respectively).

  8. Re:What is electricity? by Obfuscant · · Score: 4, Funny

    And don't ever ever do this, but this is what electricity tastes like...

  9. Light vs Light by elistan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There are fourteen WiFi channels, each corresponding to electromagnetic radiation ranging from 2412 MHz (12.43 cm) to 2484 MHz (12.07 cm.) The visible light we see with is also electromagnetic radiation, but ranges from 700 to 390 nm wavelength. I'm not sure what materials reflect, absorb and transmit 12.43 to 12.07 cm wavelength light, but once that's accounted for wouldn't "seeing" WiFi essentially be the same as seeing a rapidly flashing, single colored (assuming it was operating on a single channel,) omnidirectional light bulb? The rainbow emanations in TFA strike me as pretty artistic interpretations, which is apparently the point in order to drum up "appreciation" for WiFi, but my IANAP (I Am Not A Physicist) understanding suggests there's little to do with reality here.

  10. 100% inaccurate. It's art and is not reality. by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No reflections, no lobes from the gain antennas, no blockage from green trees. It's 100% art with 5% reality.

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  11. Fixed headline by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

    What Wi-Fi Would Look Like If We Could See It, Only... Not

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  12. Re:Wouldn't it leave the antenna in spheres of wav by Media_Scumbag · · Score: 2

    More like a donut than a sphere, commonly, but it all comes down to the type of antennae alignment of antennae, and the frequency and amplitude of the waves.

  13. Re:the real question is... by Media_Scumbag · · Score: 2

    A series of tubes.

  14. And for the next project... by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 2

    How unicorn farts would smell if the wind blew one your way on a warm day in July...

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  15. Pictures entirely wrong by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We already 'see' microwave radiation, it is called 'radar'.

    No we do not see it - our eyes are not sensitive to that region of the EM spectrum. We can detect it but that requires a device which detects the waves and then displays the information to us in a human accessible form like radar, radio or TV. If we could see WiFi then it would look nothing like the artist's rendition. For a start we would not see the crests and troughs of the wave anymore than we see the crests and troughs of light waves or hear the crests and troughs of sound waves. Then there is the problem that the artist seems to have drawn the waves and lines or planes from which light is emitted. Again this is wrong. Unless something is scattering the EM waves you will not see them unless they are aimed at you. This is a classic mistake made by artists. Think of a laser pointer - unless there is dust in the air to scatter some of the beam in your direction you only see the spot on the projection screen not a beam between the pointer and the screen.

    What you would actually see if you could see WiFi would be a glow of a fixed 'colour' emanating from the router and visible through walls and other radio-transparent objects. Metal objects would reflect this light so really what you would see is one bright spot that might appear in the middle of a wall or a floor etc plus several other less-bright spots due to reflections off metal.

    Now you might argue that this is overly nitpicking on an artistic work but if an artist comes up with a clever idea like this is it really too much for them to actually put a little thought into it and read up some simple physics to figure out what it might actually look like? Afterall if they decided to draw an elephant without ever having seen one wouldn't they take the time to read up about them and either find a picture of one or visit one in a zoo. It would be insane to try to draw one without this and I doubt anyone would recognize it as an elephant if they tried. Well guess what - the same applies if you are trying to draw something physics related!

  16. It's hard to see waves unless it reflects by ceview · · Score: 2

    This is imagery in the article is really very misleading. What would be more meaningful to set the visible spectrum to black ( so no colour for the buildings) and then set some colours for each individual wifi transmitter. In fact it would look more like an image of Earth from space with only the lights showing, but rather than light it would be a microwave image. It would probably show only the faintest outline of buildings as the RF is absorbed creating an odd looking set of structures. But to 'see' the RF you would also need to set up a kind of 'RF reflective' fog particles in the scene to view the reflections ( a bit like the way you need dust to see a laser beam in the dark)