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Fake "Speed Enforced By Drones" Signs On California Freeways

NF6X writes "CBS station KPIX reports that somebody has been installing counterfeit traffic signs on California bay area freeways, warning motorists of drone-based speed enforcement. They are professionally-made reflective metal signs of comparable style and quality to official traffic signs, and in some cases are even mounted with tamper-resistant hardware. The signs show the familiar silhouette of an MQ-1 Predator drone launching a weapon. According to KPIX, California Highway Patrol denies that they operate any drones, and states that the signs are fake."

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  1. If you can't trust the authenticity of the signs.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    How can you be expected to obey the speed limit?

  2. Spread Awareness by TFlan91 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Good way to spread awareness and possible outcomes of drone oversight....

    YOU'RE GOING 2 MPH OVER THE SPEED LIMIT! YOU HAVE 3 SECONDS TO DECELERATE!
    *1 sec later*
    DID I SAY 3? TOO LATE!
    *fires hellfire missile*

    1. Re:Spread Awareness by Valdrax · · Score: 5, Funny

      Okay, that's a pretty horrible potential future, but I think I could live with it if they also targeted tailgaters and people who don't use their turn signals.

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    2. Re:Spread Awareness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You must be that asshole in the left lane. MOVE OVER, and stop worrying about wtf is behind you!

    3. Re:Spread Awareness by Valdrax · · Score: 2

      No, I'm the one in the right lane, going ten over the speed limit, and ticked off immensely by people who *still* tailgate you in the slow lane.

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    4. Re:Spread Awareness by quacking+duck · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You must be that asshole in the left lane. MOVE OVER, and stop worrying about wtf is behind you!

      I will not move over to let your sorry ass take my spot, no matter how impatient you are or how close you ride my bumper, if the car(s) in front of ME is what's actually holding up the left lane.

      Don't tailgate, period.

    5. Re:Spread Awareness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'd like them to enforce the laws on impeding traffic. You're supposed to merge at speed not get onto a freeway at 35mph then take 30s-2m to hit 55mph.

    6. Re:Spread Awareness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hilarious! In 40 years of driving I've never had an issue, nor cared about someone behind me. You guys/gals must have some stellar driving skills that piss people off enough that make them want to drive up on you. If you're blocking the left lane, move over, I don't care what the speed limit is. Forcing people to pass on the right is far worse. There's only one thing you can do, and that's control yourself, don't try and control others. The minute you try and control others by blocking the left lane, and forcing them to pass on the right, what happens? You create a more dangerous situation by making others pass on the right, and road rage. So the next time you get the holier-than-thou attitude you might just get shot over it. Is your life or your family's life worth it? "Well, I was doing 10 over the speed limit" Who cares. Move. You have zero right to block the left lane. None. I don't care if you're doing 50 mph over the limit. Left lane ALWAYS gets faster traffic. Period. So by all means, continue to be a rolling road block, see how long you live. Have you ever been rear ended by a tailgater? And if so, how'd the insurance work out for ya? I'm guessing in your favor.

    7. Re:Spread Awareness by jittles · · Score: 4, Informative

      You do realize that YOU are breaking the law by not moving over when you are driving in the left lane? Yes, even if you are speeding. YOU should learn to read the damn traffic laws, forfeit your license, or both.

      Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that only apply in two situations:

      1) You are travelling less than the speed limit AND slower than the flow of traffic. (Vehicle Code Section 21654.) 2) You are on a two-lane road, and there are more than five vehicles lined up behind you. (Vehicle Code Section 21656.)

      You may consider yourself corrected (emphasis mine):

      21654. (a) Notwithstanding the prima facie speed limits, any vehicle proceeding upon a highway at a speed less than the normal speed of traffic moving in the same direction at such time shall be driven in the right-hand lane for traffic or as close as practicable to the right-hand edge or curb, except when overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction or when preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway.

    8. Re:Spread Awareness by Valdrax · · Score: 2

      If you're blocking the left lane, move over, I don't care what the speed limit is. Forcing people to pass on the right is far worse.

      As I said elsewhere, I get tailgated in the *slow lane* where I live. Usually while going 5-10 over. If you don't run into that, then I'd like to live there. I miss my short stint in another state where people drove the freaking speed limit and gave each other space. If only I could have gotten a job there...

      The minute you try and control others by blocking the left lane, and forcing them to pass on the right, what happens? You create a more dangerous situation by making others pass on the right, and road rage.

      Isn't it the aggressor's fault for spreading the rage around? The tailgater is the one creating a potential accident. Nothing requires that person to follow at an unsafe distance until one of us decides to change lane. How am I the one "trying to control others" by minding my own business? I'm not the one trying to push someone else around.

      Have you ever been rear ended by a tailgater?

      No, but I've also never been forced to commit sexual acts on myself by someone giving me the finger. Doesn't make their naked aggression and attempt to spread around their own rage and misery justifiable.

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    9. Re:Spread Awareness by steelfood · · Score: 2

      the car(s) in front of ME is what's actually holding up the left lane.

      Sometimes, it's not. Sometimes, people are in the left lane (or the middle lane) because they're too scared of merging traffic to stay in the right lane (they're comfortable in the left lane), or they're trying to stop people from traveling faster than them (yes, there's tons of those out there who drive at the speed limit and insist the rest of the world do the same). I've seen people recklessly switch two lanes into the left the moment they merge into a three-lane highway, and then proceed to camp there at the speed of the right lane. Sometimes, it's a two-lane highway and they'll just run parallel or near-parallel to the vehicle on the right, which is actually fairly dangerous. People can be assholes on the road, and they're not limited to the fast or aggressive drivers.

      That's why laws that target being in the left lane but not passing are becoming popular. But tailgating is still not a good idea.

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    10. Re:Spread Awareness by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 2

      Since the right lane has been hammered to shit by overweight log trucks, I drive in the left lane until someone approaches from the rear. Since I also drive 5-10 mph over the posted limit, I keep a sharp eye out.

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    11. Re:Spread Awareness by quacking+duck · · Score: 2

      Regardless, in the scenario I'm speaking of it's not me that's holding up traffic in the left lane, but the cars in front of me, so the AC has no grounds for his all-encompassing demand that anyone in his way should move right.

      I've not driven too many places, but the worst for synchronized (and slow) highway traffic was on the Florida turnpikes between Orlando and Tallahassee. There and back (rental car), even in sections with 3 or 4 lanes each direction, was a uniform speed, and that was exactly the speed limit (70 mph IIRC). It was a serious WTF experience. I'd run into the back of a pack of these, take almost 5 minutes of lane changes to advance within the pack (I remember another car doing the same) until finally breaking past the "front line," and then admittedly were speeding for a bit... only to run into the back of the next pack of cars a mile or two later.

      I didn't understand why this behaviour was happening. I blew past at least two patrol cars while going 80mph or higher, so they obviously weren't enforcing the speed limit to the letter.

  3. IT'S NOT FAKE! by DickBreath · · Score: 5, Funny

    I have definitely seem some of these drones sitting in their car, parked in a way that they think nobody can see them, eating donuts and using their radar gun.

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    1. Re:IT'S NOT FAKE! by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      Me too. I see cops all the time by abandoned roadside gas stations in the desert. Do they really think they are incospicuous there? I don't intentionally speed, but I know if I see a car a mile up the road at the deserted gas station that it is a cop, and I double-check my speedometer.

      Perhaps that's the point - instead of handing out tickets, they could park conspicuously and therefore force everyone to slow down so everyone's doing the limit on that stretch of road.

      Some people have gotten just as creative - one guy hated all the people using his neighbourhood streets to bypass traffic jams and basically took a pair of coveralls (blue), stuffed it, put a reflective vest on it, and put it in a lawn chair holding a coffee can (painted black) with a stick on it. He put it on the sidewalk parallel to traffic. Had the desired effect of calming traffic down as people slowed down for the "cop".

      It is (or should be) well known that signs like these are a lie. All my life I have seen these "speed limit enforced by aircraft" signs, which tells me that there is no speed enforcement on that road at all.

        If there was actual speed enforcement on the road, they wouldn't jeopardize the revenue stream by putting up signs.

      Sometimes they have to do it because it's the law. Like why do cops put up notices of where they're going to erect speed traps? Hell, there are plenty of apps (on every platform, including iOS) that scrape these public notices of speed traps and pop up alerts when you approach one.

      And believe it or not, people STILL get caught. Either stupidity, ignorance, or what. Or probably texting and didn't see the cop.

    2. Re:IT'S NOT FAKE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Me too. I see cops all the time by abandoned roadside gas stations in the desert. Do they really think they are incospicuous there? I don't intentionally speed, but I know if I see a car a mile up the road at the deserted gas station that it is a cop, and I double-check my speedometer.

      Here's how it works: if you can see the cop well ahead of time with enough distance to slow down before you reach him, then the placement of that cop is intended to cause you to check your speed and slow down. If the cops want to write tickets to generate revenue, they park where you don't see them until it's too late.

      Prominent cop easily seen = everyone drives carefully, safety is increased
      Hidden cop not seen until last second = some people slam on their brakes, revenue generator

    3. Re:IT'S NOT FAKE! by nabsltd · · Score: 2

      Prominent cop easily seen = everyone drives carefully, safety is increased

      When idiots slow down to 50mph on a section of road with a 65mph speed limit just because there is a cop visible somewhere (the other side of the freeway, parked in a rest area, etc.), I don't see how safety is increased.

    4. Re:IT'S NOT FAKE! by Sarten-X · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Instead of handing out tickets, they could park conspicuously and therefore force everyone to slow down so everyone's doing the limit on that stretch of road.

      I grew up in a nice bit of farmland, and for a while a nearby town had a single officer, on duty 9am-5pm. From earlier and busier times, the town had a whopping three patrol cars - the nice big Crown Vics with the full-size light bar that any driver with enough vision to drive could see from several miles down the town's one main road. During a particularly bad summer tourist season, that one cop started moving the cars to good locations just inside the town limits. They'd be parked on dirveways (with permission) or lots where they wouldn't be in the way, with just enough cover to look like they were trying to hide, but not enough cover to do so effectively.

      It worked. Traffic usually slowed down, and the one officer could spend his limited time watching from the one stoplight in the town center.

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    5. Re:IT'S NOT FAKE! by Deadstick · · Score: 2

      Approximately 1990, back when my knees were still working.

  4. Missile gave it away by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2

    I would have taken that seriously if not for the missile.

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    1. Re:Missile gave it away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      some one released the signs early. they are not getting drones until 2015

    2. Re:Missile gave it away by mcmonkey · · Score: 4, Funny

      I would have taken that seriously if not for the missile.

      You have a strange outlook on life.

      I can stand to pay a speeding ticket, but a missle I take seriously!

    3. Re:Missile gave it away by Kjella · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think he meant he would assume the signs were real except for the missile.

      Did you hear that WHOOSH? No it was not a missile, it was a joke going over your head...

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  5. My fav road sign by OzPeter · · Score: 5, Funny

    While not a fake sign, a long time ago (as indicated by the message) there was a sign warning "Police Aerial Speed Checks" that was tagged with "Pigs in Spaaaaaace"

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  6. If you're going to troll, troll in style. by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd like to shake the hand of whoever is behind this. I have to respect anyone who's willing to put serious effort and bucks into this kind of culture-jamming.

    1. Re:If you're going to troll, troll in style. by JDG1980 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Here's his website: http://stephenwhisler.net/Stephen_Whisler.html. And a direct link to the page on this prank / performance art: http://stephenwhisler.net/Sculpture/Pages/Speed_Enforced_by_Drones.html.

    2. Re:If you're going to troll, troll in style. by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      I didn't do it. Too illegal and easy to get caught.

      I'm the dude that flies an electric RC predator drone over groups with large paranoid populations (Occutards, Deadheads, any protest, Tea Party, gun shows, Code Pink etc etc).

      If anybody else takes this up, my advice: put a person into the crowd to see the drone and point it out on schedule.

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    3. Re:If you're going to troll, troll in style. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      CHiP is still "looking into it".
      Meanwhile, Slashdot found the perp within 53 minutes. I wish I had mod points to give to you, good sir!

  7. in an un-related story... by gi11o · · Score: 2

    Jerry Brown is quoted: "These aren't the drones you're looking for."

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  8. Should pack 'em up... by Tanktalus · · Score: 2

    Should pack 'em up and send them to Afghanistan or Iraq or Pakistan or anywhere else that POTUS wants to enforce, ahem, speed limits.

    On the other hand, whoever did this doesn't merely have a sick sense of humour. They're highly insightful to the way the government is heading.

  9. Might save taxpayers money... by stewsters · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Have the police take them down and keep them. I'm sure they will be useful again in about 2 years at the rate privacy is going over here.

  10. Re:If you can't trust the authenticity of the sign by Rockoon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It is (or should be) well known that signs like these are a lie. All my life I have seen these "speed limit enforced by aircraft" signs, which tells me that there is no speed enforcement on that road at all.

    If there was actual speed enforcement on the road, they wouldn't jeopardize the revenue stream by putting up signs.

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  11. Fake Missile by Diakoneo · · Score: 2

    To make the video complete, we need a car driving by the sign with one of those fake missiles chasing it....

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  12. Re:"FAKE" by suso · · Score: 2, Insightful

    uh huh....fake...

    That's what they WANT you to think.

  13. Re:"FAKE" by jittles · · Score: 2

    uh huh....fake...

    That's what they WANT you to think.

    The real question is who is behind this? The CIA or the NSA? And why did they post signs? were they hoping to distract us from the other domestic spying?

  14. Re:If you can't trust the authenticity of the sign by interval1066 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think the fake signs are a completely on-point commentary of the time.

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  15. Re:If you can't trust the authenticity of the sign by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    That is what you think until you get pulled over by a cop that is already waiting for you and that cop tells you that the plane clocked you at a certain speed. Trust me, those "by aircraft" signs are real.

  16. Speed checked by aircraft by goodmanj · · Score: 2

    "Speed enforced by drones" is just as true as "speed enforced by aircraft".

  17. clever parking jobs by SuperBanana · · Score: 2

    parked in a way that they think nobody can see them

    Psht. Some cops have hiding down to an art form. I remember driving along the highway and thinking "Why does that snowbank have a police light bar...."

    As I drove by, I saw he'd precisely trimmed the snowbank with a shovel, flat-topping it just enough to see over and for his radar unit.

    That said, we don't need speed enforcement. We need illegal/improper/unsafe operation enforcement, proper crash investigation, and criminal penalties for negligence that results in property damage or injury.

  18. Sign artist has now been ID'd by JDG1980 · · Score: 5, Informative

    According to NBC News, the fake drone signs were a bit of performance art by a local guy named Stephen Whisler. He described his motivation as " partially political and partially a prank".

  19. Speed _limit_ by greylion3 · · Score: 2

    That should have been "Speed limit enforced by drones".
    Maybe the signs were made by someone whose first language isn't English, and/or someone who is not that good at it.

    The way it's written, I'd think a minimum speed was enforced by drones - as in; drive too slowly and get blown to bits with a missile.
    I am partial to that kind of enforcement. Some people just like to take their sweet time getting somewhere.
    - I'm just kidding ..maybe >:-]

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  20. Re:"FAKE" by JeanCroix · · Score: 4, Funny

    Senator Vreenak is outraged.

  21. Re:If you can't trust the authenticity of the sign by danomac · · Score: 2, Informative

    They don't even need aircraft, I have seen officers noting license plates and the time they pass on a stretch of highway. They relay it to another officer much further down (in this case about 40 miles) and if you get there under a certain time they pull you over for speeding.

    Someone tried to challenge this in court and lost.

  22. Re:"FAKE" by Mashiki · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The real question is who is behind this?

    Well it's California, so it could be anything from people who support the idea, to people who don't support the idea. To environmentalists who want to scare people into slowing down, to the other end of the spectrum of people who just want traffic to move slower.

    My bet rests with someone inside the DOT who knows someone at a plant that turns out the signs. And got them to do up a bunch.

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  23. Re:If you can't trust the authenticity of the sign by whoever57 · · Score: 4, Informative

    They don't even need aircraft, I have seen officers noting license plates and the time they pass on a stretch of highway. They relay it to another officer much further down (in this case about 40 miles) and if you get there under a certain time they pull you over for speeding.

    I don't think so (from California Vehicle Code Section 40802 -- Speed Traps)

    Speed Traps

    40802. (a) A "speed trap" is either of the following:

    (1) A particular section of a highway measured as to distance and with boundaries marked, designated, or otherwise determined in order that the speed of a vehicle may be calculated by securing the time it takes the vehicle to travel the known distance.

    Speed traps are illegal in California.

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  24. Re:"FAKE" by Synerg1y · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sir... the drones you see flying over your head do not monitor if you're speeding. They are merely ensuring you're not a terrorist by adding your license plate, name, and the current speed you're going into our ultra secure database. Nothing to see here, move along.

  25. Re:"FAKE" by mcgrew · · Score: 2

    The real question is who is behind this?

    I'm betting it's this guy.

  26. Re:If you can't trust the authenticity of the sign by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 2

    "How can you be expected to obey the speed limit?"

    In a neighboring state, they have a long-standing law that says the policeman who catches you at a traffic infraction is the one who must issue you the ticket.

    Some years ago, they tried painting lines across the highways and timing cars from the planes. Then they'd radio to a car nearby who would pull over speeders and issue them a ticket. Before long, some enterprising speeder pointed out to the courts that the tickets were not legally issued, because the officer observing the speeding was not the one issuing the ticket. They had to stop the practice statewide.

    Then they tried timing from an airplane and radioing ahead to a car equipped with radar. The officer would attempt to radar the offending vehicle and then the same officer would issue the ticket. What they did not account for is that drivers saw the lines and would slow down; by the time they went by the radar they were again doing the speed limit.

    So much for traffic drones. At least in that state. It is now widely known that aerial "speed traps" are illegal.

    This is also causing them big problems with red light cameras, and they are almost certainly going to have to stop that, too. Because the person doing the "catching" is not even a police officer, but an employee of a private company. (An officer then rubber-stamped the citation.) That runs afoul not only of the aforementioned law, but also potentially other laws, as it requires a private party, not an officer at all, to determine if an infraction might have taken place. And they don't want to pay an officer to review every single photo, because one of the major reasons for having the damned things in the first place was to avoid having to hire more officers.

  27. Re:"FAKE" by Intropy · · Score: 2

    The reverse vampires.

  28. Re:"FAKE" by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 4, Funny

    "We don't have drones, and we certainly don't have drones that can fire weaponry."

    Seems legit.

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  29. Re:If you can't trust the authenticity of the sign by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Funny

    (1) A particular section of a highway measured as to distance and with boundaries marked, designated, or otherwise determined in order that the speed of a vehicle may be calculated by securing the time it takes the vehicle to travel the known distance.

    Speed traps are illegal in California.

    As they should be. The problem with any automated system is they treat middle class white people the same as the blacks and teenagers that the cops are supposed to be focusing on. We can't allow that.

  30. Re:If you can't trust the authenticity of the sign by RubberDuckie · · Score: 2

    Troll, really? I took this tongue in cheek and laughed out loud. This is a sad comment on the times, to little humor and to much political correctness.

  31. Re:"FAKE" by SanDiegoFreeway · · Score: 3, Informative

    My bet rests with someone inside the DOT who knows someone at a plant that turns out the signs. And got them to do up a bunch.

    It's actually simple to go out to any company that does signage for the state and get them to make signs to state standards for you. I once worked on a software project codenamed "Freeway" and thought it would be cute to have a couple Freeway Entrance signs made to put up in the halls on our floor of the building. The only question the company asked me was to confirm they were for private use.

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  32. Re:"FAKE" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    My bet rests with someone inside the DOT who knows someone at a plant that turns out the signs. And got them to do up a bunch.

    There's nothing special about the places official signs come from. In fact, the DOT doesn't necessarily purchase signs, local municipalities (and businesses) do. Nearly every sign manufacturer capable of making MUTCD-compliant signs will do custom signs. They're not even that expensive (although obviously non-refundable).

    Just do a google search. You can have a street name sign with whatever you want on it to hang in your house for like 150 bucks. Standard items like Stop signs can go for as little as 30 bucks in sufficient quantity.

    So it could be anyone who pays attention to detail and a little disposable income who made this happen.

  33. Re:If you can't trust the authenticity of the sign by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    to little humor and to much political correctness.

    That sounds like a toast.