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Hallibuton Pleads Guilty To Destroying Simulation Data From 2010 Gulf Oil Spill

An anonymous reader writes "Oilfield services giant Halliburton will plead guilty to destroying computer test results that had been sought as evidence in the Deepwater Horizon disaster, the Justice Department announced Thursday. Company officials threw out test results that showed 'little difference' between the number of devices Halliburton said was needed to center the cement casing in the well at the heart of the disaster and the number well owner BP installed, according to court papers. The issue has been key point of contention between the two companies in hearings and litigation ever since the April 2010 blowout. BP and Halliburton are still battling over responsibility for the disaster in a New Orleans federal courtroom. BP had no comment on the plea agreement Thursday evening."

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  1. what don't we know? by globaljustin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    from TFA:

    Halliburton has agreed to pay the maximum fines available, be put on probation for three years and cooperate with federal agencies that are still investigating the spill, the Justice Department said in a statement announcing Thursday's agreement. In addition Halliburton has made a $55 million "voluntary contribution" to the National Fish and Wildlife Foundation,

    They 'took a deal' in the parlance of the criminal justice world.

    I'm wondering what else is out there. Also in TFA I read that BP was 'convicted' of Manslaughter for its role.

    These companies don't 'take deals' unless it is the absolute last option. They will deny and tie up litigation for 10 years until everyone forgets. They will buy judges and prosecutors. They will hire thugs to find dirt on opponents, or make dirt if none exists.

    Given their history, the fact that Halliburton, BP, etc took these deals indicates they could be covering for a much larger level of negligence...

    In my wildest conspiracy theories, the English Monarchy and other old money global illuminati types (Bush's?) purposefully had the well blown to punish America for stopping Keystone XL.

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    1. Re: what don't we know? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Plead guilty to destroying evidence and convicted of manslaughter ... and no one will go to jail. Try that in non-corporate America.

    2. Re:what don't we know? by Thanshin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In my wildest conspiracy theories, the English Monarchy and other old money global illuminati types (Bush's?) purposefully had the well blown to punish America for stopping Keystone XL.

      In my wildest conspiracy theories, the very rich and mighty are still people and fuck up often. The only difference is that they consider some millions of dollars to just be the expected cost of doing business.

    3. Re:what don't we know? by StiversElizabeth · · Score: 2

      Just pay the fine and it's back to business for them.

    4. Re: what don't we know? by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Plead guilty to destroying evidence and convicted of manslaughter ... and no one will go to jail.

      Yep.

      If the order was given to destroy data then there HAS to be a person who gave that order. It's time they were hunted down.

      Presumably it's the same person who's now telling them to plead guilty (and save his ass from further investigation).

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    5. Re: what don't we know? by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 2

      We need a system of punishments that really works for corporations. The corporation can't break the law without specific people also breaking the law on behalf of the corporation. Those who gave the orders need to go to jail and those who followed the orders also need to go to jail, and the fines have to be meaningful deterrrents and object lessons to other corporations. It has to be made MUCH more expensive to be caught breaking the law than to obey it. Take a year's revenue from a company like Halliburton and the people who own what's left when it's over won't forget, nor will anybody else in industry.

      If this destroys the corporation and wipes out its assets, so be it.

    6. Re:what don't we know? by eth1 · · Score: 2

      In my wildest conspiracy theories, the English Monarchy and other old money global illuminati types (Bush's?) purposefully had the well blown to punish America for stopping Keystone XL.

      In my wildest conspiracy theories, the very rich and mighty are still people and fuck up often. The only difference is that they consider some millions of dollars and a few dead peons to just be the expected cost of doing business.

      FTFY...

  2. Re:Knowledge and the ocean. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Cutesy, but the Gulf oil spill was 100% man made. Climate change is man made.

    We're at a point in development where we know just enough to be dangerous. And we have a huge industry that's used to f*** up the planet at the whims of clueless and greedy economists.

    The nature is big and resilient but not infinitely so. And when the shit starts hitting the fan the poor people who're least responsible for it bear the brunt of the burder, as always. Millions and millions will die thanks to the actions of the 1%.

  3. $200.000 in fines by Racerdude · · Score: 5, Informative

    "Under the plea agreement, which requires court approval, Houston-based Halliburton will also face three years' probation, pay the maximum fine of $200,000..."
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/07/25/halliburton-guilty-plea-destroying-evidence-deepwater-horizon/2588105/

    Not too bad... I think they may be able to afford it.

    1. Re:$200.000 in fines by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Under the plea agreement, which requires court approval, Houston-based Halliburton will also face three years' probation, pay the maximum fine of $200,000..."

      yeah good thing they didn't perform wire fraud(or weren't prosecuted for that)..

      just regular good 'ol boys fraud affecting billions of dollars..

      Foul up an entire ecosystem, wreck the lives of thousands, destroy the evidence, pay $200.000.
      Download 30 songs off a torrent pay $675.000.

      I can't imagine I'm the only one who thinks that is a broke way of valuing things. How about handing in one of those White House petitions about this issue and asking them what they are going to do about it. The answer should be interesting. Even if it turns out to be a gust of hot air at least we'd get to see them squirm for a while.

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    2. Re:$200.000 in fines by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Keep in mind this fine isn't for all of that. It's just for deleting a bunch of data. There are more fines to come.

      That in itself is a criminal act that if you did it in a non-corporate trial would result in prison time, not a fine.

  4. can't the tests just be rerun? by Trepidity · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Did they throw out the simulation code as well?

    1. Re:can't the tests just be rerun? by coinreturn · · Score: 2

      I'm sure the code has been modified by now to show "better" results. "Version control? Why would we want old inferior versions?"

    2. Re:can't the tests just be rerun? by Hartree · · Score: 2

      My bad. At the time of the destruction, they weren't yet under orders to preserve, but they were found to have destroyed it specifically so they couldn't have it used in court. That's still seen as obstructing justice.

      However many of the headlines related to this are misleading in that they imply that Halliburton has plead guilty to being responsible for the disaster. You have to read farther into the article to see that they plead guilty to destroying computer simulations.

      And let's remember, that it's BP that's trying to put the responsibility on Halliburton. "Broke Pipeline Inc" hardly has clean hands here regardless of what Halliburton has done.

  5. well fuck me! by thephydes · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If I pour crude oil into the ocean, destroy the livelyhoods of fishing communities and kill a few of people on an oil platform in a gas fire (and destroy some evidence), I'll get a couple of hundred $k fine. If I buy a gun and go out and shoot the same number of people (and survive the manhunt) I'll get the rest of my life being a jailhouse bitch. Now, I wonder which I would choose?? Haliburton, do you have any vacancies???

    1. Re:well fuck me! by RabidReindeer · · Score: 4, Funny

      If I pour crude oil into the ocean, destroy the livelyhoods of fishing communities and kill a few of people on an oil platform in a gas fire (and destroy some evidence), I'll get a couple of hundred $k fine. If I buy a gun and go out and shoot the same number of people (and survive the manhunt) I'll get the rest of my life being a jailhouse bitch. Now, I wonder which I would choose?? Haliburton, do you have any vacancies???

      Dear phydes,

      We're sorry, your previous experience as a mass-murder is impressive, but you do not meet the minimum evil standards required to work at Halliburton.

      /s/ Dick Cheney

  6. Fix the typo in the title already by CoolGopher · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Editor. I do not think that word means what you think it means...

  7. so... by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Halliburton perpetrates huge fraud on the government (in billions) and nothing is ever done.

    They defraud another corporation, they're in trouble.

    You see the pattern here? madoff is only in jail because he defrauded other rich people.

  8. Re:Knowledge and the ocean. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Climate change is man made."

    Sooooooo...., the climate didn't change on earth before man appeared here. REALLY?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq4Bc2WCsdE

    Don't be an idiot. Of course it did. For many reasons, not one single factor. What's of concern is that there's a new player at the table: human activity. And whether it's altering climate fast enough to damage human life. And possibly render species extinct at a rate not seen in 65 million years.

  9. Re:Knowledge and the ocean. by MedBob · · Score: 2

    "We're at a point in development where we know just enough to be dangerous."

    So you're saying that there are clueless and greedy economists involved in Industry, but that their are none in Climate Science?
    Or, putting it a different way, Climate Scientists are not included in the above general statement, however commercial scientists are?

    I agree 100% with the above statement. And I am confident in applying it across the board. That fact has ramifications.

  10. Re:All simulations lie by hey! · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Well, I don't know about engineering simulations, but I've worked with systems that did public health simulations. What laymen *think* a computer model can do is predict the future. And maybe in some cases a model can come close to doing that. But the real value of models is to generate questions and hypotheses for investigation.

    The problem with models is that they're only as good as the input data you feed them, and in many cases the data is unknowable or based on assumptions you aren't sure of. And that leads to a practical application of a model. You don't say, "I know that X is true, therefore Y will or will not happen" because you almost certainly don't know everything you'd need to know to make such a positive prediction. Rather, you say, "If you are worried about Y, you'd better check on X."

    Tthat Halliburton destroyed the documentation when it knew that documentation was needed for the DWH investigation makes me wonder whether simulation results suggested Transocean (the operators of DWH) ought to be paying attention to certain preventable factors that contributed to the disaster. Even if that didn't let Transocean off the hook, it might change the distribution of damages and fines paid by the responsible parties.

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  11. Re:Knowledge and the ocean. by robthebloke · · Score: 2

    Sooooooo...., the climate didn't change on earth before man appeared here. REALLY?

    Sooooooo......, you're a climate scientist who has spent a substantial part of their life studying the effects that man made atmospheric pollution have on the Earth's climate? No? Then forgive me if I ignore everything you say, and instead listen to people who are qualified to talk on this subject.

  12. submitted by Anonymous Reader: by Hartree · · Score: 3, Informative

    My suspicious streak wonders if Anonymous Reader works in the BP PR department.

    Ok, we're bringing up Halliburton, which is seen by some as the gold standard in corporate evil, but let's remember that it's BP (AKA Broke Pipeline Inc) that's the plaintiff in this case and are trying to shift the responsibility to Halliburton.

    Given the stopping of preventive maintenance and replacing of experienced workers with cheaper ones that BP was widely known for, this is a bit of Pot Kettle Black.

    Halliburton hasn't been tagged yet with overall responsibility for the spill as some headlines have claimed, but for destroying computer simulations done before the lawsuits started. That's bad, but it's not some get out of jail free card for BP. There's plenty of responsibility left to go around, and BP was the final word on that rig, not the contractors.

    (Full disclosure: My brother worked for Arco before BP bought it. His division was spun off, but he heard quite a good deal about the bone stripping cost cutting that BP did after they bought it. That impacted repeated pipeline spills in Alaska and likely the Deepwater Horizon).

  13. Re:Knowledge and the ocean. by scot4875 · · Score: 2

    People only say "The 1%" because it's easier to say than what it really is, which is closer to the 0.001%, but the concept is not difficult to grasp. The vast majority of wealth and power is concentrated in very few hands.

    But somehow, even this simple concept seems to have gone over your head, and you think that it makes sense to lump someone making $40k/year (in the US, I assume) into the same group as someone making tens of millions per year. At this point I'm going to assume that your feigned ignorance is either real ignorance or, quite possibly, stupidity.

    --Jeremy

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  14. Re:Knowledge and the ocean. by gmuslera · · Score: 2

    Like banks, oil companies are too big to jail. Minions just don't jail their masters.