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Microsoft's Math-Challenged STEM Education Contest

theodp writes "As noted earlier, Microsoft is tackling the CS education crisis with a popularity contest that will award $100K in donations to five technology education nonprofits that help make kids technically literate. Hopefully, the nonprofits will teach kids that the contest's voting Leader Board is a particularly good example of what-not-to-do technically. In addition to cherry-picking the less-pathetic vote totals to make its Leader Board, Microsoft also uses some dubious rounding code that transforms the original voting data into misleading percentages. Indeed, developer tools reveal that the top five leaders in the Microsoft STEM education contest miraculously account for 130% of the vote. Let's hope the quality control is better for those Microsoft Surface voting machines!"

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  1. Front page sucks too. by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Note the graphics and the at-odds text.

    CSC's vision is to "increase participation of underrepresented groups in computer science" but shows two pasty white boys. Underrepresented? I think not!

    Code to learn foundation shows two black boys in the classic, "This is all going over my head." pose (head leaning on hand). But hey, at least the confused-looking children are not pasty white boys.

    CFY shows multi-racial girls looking up a a computer screen with the keyboard placed out of easy reach. Clearly there is no intention of them doing anything with that computer.

    Code.org shows multi-racial kids, but the two in sharp focus in the foreground are more stereotypical white boys.

    Teaching kids programming shows three girls mugging for the camera, but there's little suggesting that they're learning anything about programming.

    The other photos are not that bad. But seriously, somebody should have reviewed the photos and said, "Is this really the message you want to send?"

    1. Re:Front page sucks too. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Code to learn foundation shows two black boys in the classic, "This is all going over my head." pose (head leaning on hand).

      That's the classic 'I'm bored out of my skull (waiting for Scratch to do something)' pose. But hey, don't want to interrupt a good nitpicking for race-bait.

    2. Re:Front page sucks too. by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      We use scratch where I work. It's supposed to be to teach rudimentary programming.

      In practice students soon realised that the scratch.mit.edu site includes a library of games made by other people, and will happily spend their lessons playing on those.

    3. Re:Front page sucks too. by black3d · · Score: 3, Informative

      I hope you realise, that simply believing "crazy racist stuff you heard somewhere" (likely, from racists) doesn't make it true. There are (far) more whites than blacks on death row in Florida. http://www.dc.state.fl.us/activeinmates/deathrowroster.asp

      Most people executed in Florida have been white. http://www.dc.state.fl.us/oth/deathrow/execlist.html

      There have been plenty of people executed in Florida for killing blacks and other non-whites:
      Richard Henyard
      Mark Schwab
      David Alan Gore
      Manuel Pardo
      And many more.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Florida

      The ironic thing here is, simply blinding believing that other people are being racist due to a set of circumstances which aren't actually occuring, is highly suggestive of you, in fact, being racist. You're already set in a prejudiced view and don't care about the facts. BTW, George Zimmerman is innocent. Deal with it.

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    4. Re:Front page sucks too. by black3d · · Score: 2

      >I said, "People are executed in Florida for killing white people, but not for killing black people." Nothing in your sources says otherwise.

      Except, what you said is quite simply wrong. The first, Richard Heynard was executed in Florida for the murder of two black girls. Perhaps what you mean to say is "*whites* aren't executed for killing black people", but thats not what you said.

      Furthermore, of the inmates on death row convicted of killing black people, all except two are black. Almost white death row inmates _victims_ are white or hispanic. However, over half of the black inamtes victims are white. Thus, simply on the basis of "who is on death row", the number of blacks who get executed for killing whites is going to be statistically far higher than the number of whites who get executed for killing blacks.

      >"Deal with it" seems to be a code word on the right wing blogs. We'll deal with it in our own way.

      Far from it - "deal with it" has been common parlance throughout all areas of society for the best part of a quarter of a century. Again, you're focusing and misdirecting prejudice. As for your advocation of violence, this just speaks, again, to your racism - as you clearly believe the issue isn't "corrupt judicial system", but rather "the white people whom we'll victimize." If you want to stop racism, somewhere in that process you have to stop being racist. Will that be after you hurt people, or before?

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    5. Re:Front page sucks too. by black3d · · Score: 2

      I'm very happy for people to get justice. I'll try to help them get justice. I just don't believe that mis-representation of racist notions is a means of achieving anything except more hate.

      For example, you say "black people were killed if they tried to vote, up to the late 1960s", to make it sound like it was a widespread, common practice up until the late 1960s. To be clear, such incidences were very few and very far between. And "the late 1960s" were now over half a century ago. On the other hand, there are still white kids being killed today simply for passing through gang neighborhoods and "being white". There have been several cases very recently (well, two that I know of off the top of my head) where even white _babies_ have been murdered by black youths in front of their parents. In both cases, the targets in question would not have been approached if they'd been black.

      My point is, racism goes both ways. There's no such thing as "reverse racism". Whichever way it's directed is just racism. If a white is walking down the street and gets harassed because of their race or about their race, they're not a "majority", they're an individual on the receiving end of racism. I can't even begin to COUNT the number of times that I'm been told I'm racist *BECAUSE* I'm white, without the accuser having any further knowledge of my thoughts on anything. Calling someone "racist" on the basis of their race is so incredibly hypocritical it's amazing they don't realize what they're saying.

      I'm simply saying, the fix to white on black racism isn't in tacit support of black on white racism. That just keeps breeding the issue.

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  2. Farm4.staticflickr.com? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3

    Please, Slashdot devs, update your code so submission links are flagged with the website's domain - as has already been done in the comments for as long as I can remember. It's annoying to have to hover over each link to check whether it's another click-bait attempt to inflate traffic on a site.

    Of course, a flame-bait summary like this one is probably a reliable indicator as well.

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    1. Re:Farm4.staticflickr.com? by Aluvus · · Score: 3, Interesting

      While I am sympathetic to your point in general, I am not clear on how it applies to this particular submission. staticflickr.com is the domain that Flickr serves images from; presumably the submitter uploaded the images to Flickr so they would be on a solid host, and then used them in the submission. I doubt Flickr cares if he is increasing their traffic numbers.

      http://www.flickr.com/services/api/misc.urls.html

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  3. That was a pretty silly rant by harlows_monkeys · · Score: 4, Informative

    A leader board shows the TOP competitors. That's the point of a leader board. It is not "cherry picking" to only show the top.

    The rounding is not dubious. They are rounding to 10% increments because that is the resolution of the progress bars.

    The "percent-10", "percent-50", and so on that the "developer tool" is showing are the classes of the progress bars. There is a style correspond to each in main.css, and that determines the length of the progress bar. The style sheet provides "percent-0", "percent-10", ..., "percent-100".

    1. Re:That was a pretty silly rant by theodp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Crediting an organization receiving just 46 out of 6,735 votes with 10% of the vote instead of 0.68% probably wouldn't receive a thumbs-up from data viz folks like Edward Tufte.

    2. Re:That was a pretty silly rant by peragrin · · Score: 2

      No but it is correct according to MSFT marketing dept. Hell pretty much any advertiser uses the same kind of math to show how effective their campaigns are.

      We had a 15% increase in sales(but can't prove it was related to the marketing). Or sales of advertised goods went up 200%(from 5 to 15 units) . Pretty much anyone who ever failed statistics gets into marketing as a back up.

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    3. Re:That was a pretty silly rant by theodp · · Score: 4, Informative

      C'mon, this could be the poster child for Wikipedia's Misleading graph article. :-)

      Other commenters pointed to the .css file, which contains a "min-width: 10%;" statement that adds to the distortion. Below the Leader Board, you'll note that even those nonprofits with essentially 0% of the vote have progress bars that suggest they have 10% of the vote. Guess it looks better than showing that pretty much nobody cared to vote for them (e.g., the Microsoft-backed STEM Education Coalition has 13 votes), and they're way out of contention.

  4. Re:suckdot by plopez · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They refuse to pay taxes which support services like schools and then brag about the few crumbs they throw out on the floor for a few non-profits. There is plenty to bash Microsoft for.

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  5. You are SO right! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is this really the message you want to send?"

    What we SHOULD be showing them is the truth!

    The long hours sitting behind a computer.

    The unreasonable deadlines.

    The drudgery of coding and the very infrequent times of creativity.

    How to jocky one's resume to fit the laundry lists of skills "needed". And then tell them about the reality that those job postings are written for poaching talent from other firms. (ex. Write a job description that only the lead dev at Google could match.)

    The stagnant pay. You won't make much more than what you started with out of school unless you get into mgt.

    Watching the CEO get a bug up his and can all everyone and send the work overseas.

    And after a few years, every job seams to be doing the same shit. "New technology" is just a rehash of the same old shit. And having to listen to newbies who actually do think the "new technology" is new - Oy!

    Dealing with employers who think what they're doing is rocket science and the most innovative thing since sliced bread.

    I mean really, there hasn't been any real innovations in commercial computer science in decades. The last innovation was the World Wide Web.

    It's a stagnant commodity field. If you got brains, go into medicine. That's where the challenges, money and need are.

  6. I would rather see them pay taxes by plopez · · Score: 5, Informative

    I would rather see them pay the billions they owe Washington state end the US government. The money would be better spent. Rather than a few non-profits getting a pittance, the money which could make a real difference would be available. NGOs are horrifically inefficient. See Haiti as an example.

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    1. Re:I would rather see them pay taxes by plopez · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They gave money to NGOs in Haiti where if there had been centralized governmental agencies running the efforts the waste would have been far lower. Governments are actually more efficient than the private sector in many things, esp. those for which there is no profit. And NGOs do not have economy of scale.

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    2. Re:I would rather see them pay taxes by nbauman · · Score: 3, Informative

      Correct. That's what Paul Farmer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_farmer said. Farmer did more than anybody else in the world to improve Haiti's health care system.

      Farmer said that, to run a health care system, you need an overall plan, and that requires a central government. You can't have volunteer charities from the US and elsewhere parachute in for 6 months to do their thing. You need the government to decide what the priorities are. Maybe some church group wants to come in for 6 months and hand out eyeglasses, which is all well and good. But their urgent problems are infant mortality, maternal mortality, diarrhea (which is the main cause of infant mortality), and sheer starvation. Somebody has to come up with a strategy to assign priorities, and the free market isn't good at that. (The free market has already assigned its priority as taking care of the needs of rich people.)

      Unfortunately, Farmer (who spends half the year in Haiti and half in Harvard) said that the Clinton Administration was trying to drive Aristide, the (elected) president, out of office, so the U.S. prevented funds from going directly to the Aristide government, but sent them to the NGOs, some of whom were run by Aristide's rivals. You wind up with warehouses full of (say) enough mosquito nets for 10 years, when hospitals don't have essential drugs like morphine to give people who have their limbs amputated, or drugs for people with cancer.

      Haiti is a classic case of a government that, for all its faults, could have run its health care system better than NGOs.

  7. It's not bad faith or bad math, it's bad CSS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    It looks like the only real complaint here is the "misrepresentative" bars. Those can be blamed on lazy development. There are a couple clues to this:

    1: They didn't bother to minimize their CSS
    They're apparently using the dev version of their CSS to serve on the site: http://www.azuredevs.com/css/main.css
    One could maybe argue they're offering some fun for "developers" who show up. But my money is on a misconfiguration or some generally shoddy web development.

    2: The debug notations provide a clue to the source code
    Aside from the huge waste of bytes sent to users, using debug code in production provides hints to the actual source. In this case, the percent-bar classes read like this: /* line 1479, C:\Projects\Microsoft\MWA\Repo\mwa\AzureDev\css\main.less */
    figure.progress-bar.percent-70 span {
        width: 70%;
    } /* line 1484, C:\Projects\Microsoft\MWA\Repo\mwa\AzureDev\css\main.less */
    figure.progress-bar.percent-80 span {
        width: 80%;
    }

    As you can see, each class is 5 lines apart, which means that they probably look more or less like we see here. If they were using a loop structure (non-trivial in LESS, but do-able), they could have easily generated 25 different versions of the bar. It would also have meant that each iteration would have been generated from the same line of code. So they're not doing that. And since someone had to hand-code each of the 10 version of the bar, they were probably a bit lazy about it.

    3: Another clue from the CSS: The developer probably doesn't work for Microsoft.

    If you look at the file paths from the debug CSS, you'll notice the source is stored under "C:\Projects\Microsoft\..." If you work for Microsoft and are developing Microsoft software on a Microsoft device, isn't it a bit redundant to have a "Microsoft" directory in your Projects folder? The only way that makes a lot of sense is if the person who wrote the code didn't actually work for Microsoft.

    So, my conclusion: Microsoft farmed out their website to someone who was either under-skilled, over-worked, under-motivated, or some combination of those. The result isn't of top quality. Go figure. Next story please. :-D

    So yeah, I think what we're seeing here is just bad/lazy web development. Another clue from the

  8. Re:Classic neckbeardism by aztracker1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's about like a typical person complaining that they can't find enough people to mow their lawns at a competitive rate, so they offer to distribute $2400 towards the problem (to be split up between 5 local schools).

    MS is awarding is less than what a single, typical developer in Washington state makes in a year, a fraction of which alone goes to the school(s) that win. I think if it were $10 million across the top 10 schools evenly it would be a lot more impressive, and impactful. Or, just maybe $5 million across 5 schools, and $50k scholarship to 100 students chosen from those schools for use in higher education later on.

    As it stands the award money (might) pay for a teacher at one school, and a T/A at another, but it's really a drop in the bucket, and won't impact any change in the system. MS is probably spending close to as much as the award on the website for the award, and whatever marketing they are doing here, for what is a really pitiful award.

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  9. Pay taxes so we can run our schools by nbauman · · Score: 5, Informative

    Why doesn't Microsoft pay its taxes, so that we can run the schools, libraries and support services for kids to grow up to be programmers or anything else they want?

    We're a wealthy country. We should be able to raise money among ourselves and decide among ourselves how we want to spend it. (It's called taxes.) I think most of us would want to spend the money on free public schools, including free college (like the countries we compete with, including the countries those HB-1 immigrants come from). I don't think many people here want their children to graduate college $50,000 in debt, or to drop out of college because they can't afford it. (The Gates Foundation, BTW, was a member of ALEC, which did so much to cut our taxes and destroy low-cost public university education http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_members_of_the_American_Legislative_Exchange_Council#Former_corporate_members)

    We don't need billionaires making these decisions for us, instead of paying taxes so we can decide ourselves.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/27/us-microsoft-tax-idUSTRE76Q6OB20110727

    Insight: Microsoft use of low-tax havens drives down tax bill

    By Lynnley Browning

    FAIRFIELD, Connecticut | Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:07pm EDT

    (Reuters) - If you want to know why tax from surging corporate profits isn't making much of a dent in the United States' crippling budget deficit, a glance at Microsoft Corp's recent results provides some clues.

    Things were rosy in the giant software company's just-ended fiscal fourth quarter, which produced record sales of nearly $17.4 billion, a 30 percent increase in after-tax profit, and a 35 percent gain in earnings per share.

    But for the Internal Revenue Service and foreign tax authorities, things weren't so rosy. Microsoft reported only $445 million in taxes in the U.S. and other foreign countries, just 7 percent of its $6.32 billion in pre-tax profit....

    1. Re:Pay taxes so we can run our schools by OhANameWhatName · · Score: 2

      We're a wealthy country

      No, you're not. The US is a country with many wealthy people, the country itself is close to bankrupt due to it's endemic plutocratic corruption.

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  11. no such law by raymorris · · Score: 2

    There isn't any law requiring a corporation to maximize profits. The Free Software Foundation is a corporation. Do you think they maximize profit? How about the Red Cross, another corporation? The ACLU?

    The closest requirements that actually exist are:
    Directors and executives can't give THEMSELVES benefits at the expense of shareholders, aside from agreed salary and benefit packages. So they can't give company money (shareholder's money) to themselves.

    They must act in furtherance of the purpose(s) stated in the articles of incorporation. Microsoft's articles, like most corporations, say only that it's purpose is for "any lawful business", so there's no restriction there.