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Moscow Subway To Use Special Devices To Read Data On Passengers' Phones
dryriver writes "'The head of police for Moscow's subway system has said stations will soon be equipped with devices that can read the data on the mobile telephones of passengers. In the July 29 edition of Izvestia, Moscow Metro police chief Andrei Mokhov said the device would be used to help locate stolen mobile phones. Mokhov said the devices have a range of about 5 meters and can read the SIM card. If the card is on the list of stolen phones, the system automatically sends information to the police. The time and place of the alert can be matched to closed-circuit TV in stations. Izvestia reported that 'according to experts, the devices can be used more widely to follow all passengers without exception.' Mokhov said it was illegal to track a person without permission from the authorities, but that there was no law against tracking the property of a company, such as a SIM card.' What is this all about? Is it really about detecting stolen phones/SIM cards, or is that a convenient 'cover story' for eavesdropping on people's private smartphone data while they wait to ride the subway? Also — if this scheme goes ahead, how long will it be before the U.S., Europe and other territories employ devices that do this, too?"
...pockets. Coming to your next pair of pants.
Mylar does nothing to stop RF. Are you going swimming?
"National Security is the chief cause of national insecurity." - Celine's First Law
"The head of police for Moscow's subway system..."
He knows NOTHING about technology, but wants to make decisions about it.
As someone said above, electromagnetic signals can be stopped by wrapping a phone with aluminum foil. People would not be able to use their phones on the subway, which is probably not possible anyway unless antennas have been installed in the tunnels.
To say their reasoning is thinly veiled is to say Santa Claus is alive and well at the North Pole. Tracking "stolen" phones not is it about.
My karma is not a Chameleon.
And what happens when a thief steals a phone and plants it in the bag of an unsuspecting commuter?
trains track you
They're for holding helium, as an alternative form of transportation to the subway. Duh.
Tic-Tac-Toe, Global Thermonuclear War, and relationships all have the same winning move.
In post-Soviet Russia, trackers run on subway!
Tracking the SIM is ridiculous for detecting stolen phones. A thief that is not brain dead will turn it off immediately and discard the SIM, if they don't do so already. If you really want to stop mobiles from being stolen, the simple solution is IMEI blocking at phone company level. The IMEI cannot be changed since it is normally written in write-once memory, and it may even be illegal to change. The wikipedia article is super clear in the first lines: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Mobile_Station_Equipment_Identity . A phone blocked at IMEI level is useless since it cannot be used even with a different SIM, so the sale value is almost nil, only valuable for parts. Tracking IMSIs can be used for other purposes, like tracking non-stolen phones or more interesting the owners. The article is quite scant on details, so not a lot can be assumed.
Also, why the fuck would anyone be using the sim that came with the stolen phone? If I were to steal a phone, the first thing I would do would be to toss the sim into the nearest garbage or storm drain or whatnot, and put a new one in. It's not like they're expensive or hard to get. Where I'm from I can get a sim for €10 with €10 credit. So, effectively, it's free.
I can't wait to see how James Bond gets around this one.
the resealable kind are nice...they can do double-duty: block spies and allow me to go swimming.
I may be naive, but I was under the impression that SIM cards required electrical contact to interface with. Is there some special trick the Russian's are using, or is there a radio device in Russian SIM cards, or all SIM cards? Or are they co-opting the phone somehow?
I see there is more information in the second article than the first. They are using fake towers to collect identifying information when the phone connects, which is quite different.
A stolen phone resalable.
Change the IMEI for phones that need it (There was an article here a while back with a number of chinese phones having the *SAME* IMEI and thus cutting... what tens to hundreds of thousands off when the IMEI from one of them was blocked? Since the phone companies worked by SIM ID not IMEI the phones had all worked fine on the network until the IMEI blacklist happened.)
And secondly: Either wiping and reprinting, or simply reprinting the device ID sticker inside the battery case.
While the former may be difficult I'm sure the latter would be well within the abilities of most criminals involved in fencing of stolen cellphones.
Given the shoddy quality of some of the PRODUCTION labels, you might not even be able to tell the difference.
Also, why the fuck would anyone be using the sim that came with the stolen phone? If I were to steal a phone, the first thing I would do would be to toss the sim into the nearest garbage or storm drain or whatnot, and put a new one in. It's not like they're expensive or hard to get. Where I'm from I can get a sim for €10 with €10 credit. So, effectively, it's free.
Exactly.
And the headlines are also misleading. The technology can read your phone's sim number (which is broadcast to the towers anyway), but there is nothing in the article that indicates it can read ANY data stored on the phone. Nobody stores even their contacts on a sim anymore, so all they get is the sim number (IMSI), and maybe your phones IMEI.
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Moscow Subway doesn't plan to "read data on passangers' phones". They are simply setting up femtocells to report if a phone with a flagged number comes close. So if someone steals a phone from you on the subway (happens all the time :( ) you simply need to inform station personnel and police would have a chance to catch a thief.
Technically, it can be used for tracking. But why bother? Cell phone companies must provide tracking records to law enforcement on request anyway.
The "special device" is basically a very small portable cell tower (at least to the extent that the phone will connect to it and identify itself), presumably with a highly directional antenna. Removing the battery is probably fine. Turning the phone off is probably fine unless you're highly paranoid.
Exactly, except the phone doesn't have to actually connect to that tiny cell, in fact it can be complete passive.. The cell station can read your IMEI off of any transmission your phone does in response to normal cell towers. Your phone checks in with the towers every 4.615 ms, so listening to these packets should be very precise with a very directional antenna.
Tracking stolen phones? Come on. Its more like a license plate reader, and I suspect this technology is already in use in many countries.
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Which is enough to track your movements which is what this tech is really about.
accept ALL interference. Including "lost my iphone" broadcasts. Russians are such rank amateurs. In soviet america we do as we please! at least our government does, anyway.
The answer is that stolen or lost SIM cards are not tied to your identity. In Russia, when you buy a SIM card, most of the time you have to present your passport, and your identity data are recorded.
I can't speak to russian phones, but no phone can be certified in the US or the EU that continues to transmit when it is turned off.
(Its and old tinfoil hat story that says otherwise. Simply not true.)
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Confirm that ; we had a manager who left his phone at his desk a lot and it would ring constantly, distubing development. We put a jaffa cake tin on his desk and banished his phone to it the first time it rang each day... he learned to carry it around with him.
In Soviet Russia, train catches YOU!