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Ask Slashdot: Should More Math and Equations Be Used In the Popular Press?

raque writes "The NY Times recently published two op-eds in their Philosophy section, The Stone, discussing how Heisenberg's Uncertainty principle is abused. The second is a followup to the first. The author struggled to make clear his point and left the impression he was creating a strawman argument. In his followup he said he was avoiding equations because he was writing for a general audience. I replied to both articles, asking whether showing some basic equations would have worked better, allowing math to illustrate where metaphors struggled. Now I'm asking the same question to everyone on Slashdot. Would Dr. Callendar have been better off just diving in and dealing with Heisenberg and quantum mechanics using the tools that were developed for it?"

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  1. I just say by Chrisq · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Probability that more maths equations should be used > 0

    1. Re:I just say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It might be useful in some areas, but quantum mechanics... is one of the hardest places to start.

      To put it another way, even if you introduce some equations for quantum mechanics, you are still going to look like an idiot compared to someone from the field... even someone from the field as it existed in the 1920s.

      It might be better to go find experts in the field, and have them write short articles for the general public that are about established but not widely known things.

    2. Re:I just say by AbsGeekNZ · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I would generally agree; but generally don't go beyond linear algebra; and in the wonderful modern age add a link or a QR on a printed article with links to improve understanding.

      On these extra information sites have further links to more detailed information for those that are interested, further to this the same technique could be used with any technically dense subject matter...main artcle with basic scientific info ->link-> more in depth about original content ->link-> specific detail about relevant fields

    3. Re:I just say by Robotbeat · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I would be opposed to any sort of calculus in an equation for popular press. But algebra? Yes. Algebra makes some things easier to understand.

      And YES, it will require a little more mental effort for most people, but mental effort is a good gauge of how much someone is learning. In fact, put both the equation and a sentence explaining it. But algebra is sufficient for explaining the vast majority of physical concepts in a compact form.

      Math equations are a language. A language we are all taught from middle school. We can and should use it, and use it clearly.

    4. Re:I just say by tlhIngan · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The big problem here is that those who write well usually aren't good at math, and those good at math usually aren't that good with non-math written communication. You'll probably find few people skilled in both. Perhaps the scientist should write it up with the help of a professional editor. But at any rate, why NOT add the math? Those who can't understand the math can look it up or ignore it, those who are more numerate can gain insight they wouldn't get from mere words.

      Or, besides writing down the equation, EXPLAIN the equation. And not just write down what the equation says, but what it means.

      Let's take a simple one - E=mc^2.

      It says the amount of energy something contains is related to its mass (or the amount of "stuff") it contains. The relation is a big one - it's equal to the speed of light squared, so a tiny amount of mass (stuff) produces a LOT of energy. This equation is fundamental to nuclear physics, including peaceful uses such as nuclear power plants, to destructive uses such as nuclear weapons.

      Thus the paragraph put close to the equation helps those who can't read the equation to still understand what it says, and it also explains where it's used and what it means.

      But you're correct on the fundamental problem - it's because those in the sciences (and engineering) put little weight on the "arts" side of things (including things like writing) as they believe that stuff is a lot of fluff. (I can't generalize this, but if you ask a lot of people in IT, they seem to look down on studying anything that isn't related to their field - like why should a computer scientist or engineer take courses in philosophy or logic, or take classes in English or writing or even home economics).

      Likewise, a lot of people take arts because they want to avoid the math and science.

      Which is terrible - and it leads to this gulf of communications problems where journalists (or any writer, really) misinterprets some scientific or technical thing because the writer and the technical person are failing to communicate effectively (a problem on BOTH sides). Or how technical people look upon sales, marketing and PR people with disdain, because those people know how to relate to the public, but often fail to relate to the technical staff.

      Perhaps instead of the token math or science class for an arts degree, or the token arts/business class for a technical/science degree, the two should be combined more tightly to produce a more well-rounded person who may be technical, but understands the other side.

  2. Definitely by burisch_research · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Without math, it's impossible to convey what you're trying to convey. The press is way too dumbed down already, and many times I've read science stories that are just plain misleading as they try to simplify the message.

    Putting equations into news stories means that some people won't understand them, but most importantly it will encourage some of those people to investigate further, and learn how to read equations. If there's no math in the popular press in the first place, then there's no incentive for people to improve themselves.

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    1. Re:Definitely by cupantae · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I agree with this. What I'd like to see is equations added in, where helpful, in the same way as small images in a body of text. Then you could put a caption below, just to say something informal but informative about the equation. I think that way it would be easy for people to decide whether they want to read it. Some people aren't going to want to, so it's important that it's not something you have to read through in the article itself.

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    2. Re:Definitely by martijn+hoekstra · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Without math, it's impossible to convey what you're trying to convey. The press is way too dumbed down already, and many times I've read science stories that are just plain misleading as they try to simplify the message.

      Putting equations into news stories means that some people won't understand them, but most importantly it will encourage some of those people to investigate further, and learn how to read equations. If there's no math in the popular press in the first place, then there's no incentive for people to improve themselves.

      no equations doesn't mean no math. Equations generally do a pretty poor job in explaining things. I'd much rather read an article containing "because acceleration is inversely proportional to mass" than one containing "because F=ma"

  3. Yes, please assume high school math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But they should start with adding footnotes with references first. Most popular science articles don't even mention their sources properly, which sometimes makes it really hard to follow up on them even if you are a scientist.

  4. Mathematics is taught in schools... by gweihir · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Everybody not willing to understand simple mathematics (with explanations) is being willfully ignorant. There is no way to reach such people, they would not comprehend the text either...

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  5. A Brief History of Time would suggest that by auric_dude · · Score: 4, Informative

    "The author notes that an editor warned him that for every equation in the book the readership would be halved, hence it includes only a single equation: E = mc2. Early in 1983, Hawking approached Simon Mitton, the editor in charge of astronomy books at Cambridge University Press, with his ideas for a popular book on cosmology. Mitton was doubtful about all the equations in the draft manuscript, which he felt would put off the buyers in airport bookshops that Hawking wished to reach. It was with some difficulty that he persuaded Hawking to drop all but one equation.[4] In addition to Hawking's notable abstention from presenting equations, the book also simplifies matters by means of illustrations throughout the text, depicting complex models and diagrams." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Brief_History_of_Time it may not be true as after all the book sold rather well.

  6. Most Ph.D. don't read mathematics by jarek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've written lots of reports with math formulas (in Latex) where they are needed. Most, if not all, the intended readers have a Ph.D. in experimental physics or optics but I noticed that unless the math is really trivial, they will not follow. Even the slightest math supported reasoning will throw them off. That experience tells me that math for the general audience is probably not a good idea. It is simply pointless the be correct if you are not coming across. Who hears the tree falling in the forest.

  7. Re:Betteridge by hweimer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Betteridge's Law of Headlines says no.

    And at least in this particular case, "no" is indeed the correct answer. Equations can never be a substitute for actual understanding. You can use equations to develop understanding by starting from an earlier point and transform the initial equation to establish a new fact. But where do you start with quantum mechanics? "Quantum states are being represented by rays in a complex Hilbert space"?

    If anything, equations can be used to create an argumentum ad auctoritatem, and I'm not sure that this is a good thing.

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  8. Re:Mental capability by serviscope_minor · · Score: 4, Funny

    Most people simply do not have the mental capacity to comprehend the meaning of 1 + 1 = 2

    I work with integers modulo 2, you insensitive clod!

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  9. Re:Mental capability by Pino+Grigio · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Indeed. It's also interesting to note that Einstein's original papers are eminently readable to the Layman, compared to the kind of papers we see in journals today. Perhaps that's due to the complexity of the mathematics now advanced at the bleeding edge, or perhaps it's because journals try to be even more economical with space than they used to be. I don't know.

  10. Re:Mental capability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Indeed. It's also interesting to note that Einstein's original papers are eminently readable to the Layman, compared to the kind of papers we see in journals today. Perhaps that's due to the complexity of the mathematics now advanced at the bleeding edge, or perhaps it's because journals try to be even more economical with space than they used to be. I don't know.

    Be careful, they seem readable but they're full of subtilities (and in some places even contain errors) especially his 1905 article on the Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies.

    And furthermore while they "are" readable to today's audiences because we have almost a century dealing with special relativistic phenomena (it has even entered popular culture) it was not so at the time.
    Take that into account.