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Study Finds 3D Printers Pay For Themselves In Under a Year

Lucas123 writes "Researchers using a RepRap open source 3D printer found that the average household could save as much as $2,000 annually and recoup the cost of the printer in under a year by printing out common household items. The Michigan Technical University (MTU) research group printed just 20 items and used 'conservative' numbers to find that the average homeowner could print common products, such as shower rings or smartphone cases, for far less money than purchasing them online at discount Websites, such as Google Shopper. 'It cost us about $18 to print all [20] items... the lowest retail cost we could find for the same items online was $312 and the highest was $1,943,' said Joshua Pearce, an associate professor in the Materials Science and Engineering Department at MTU. 'The unavoidable conclusion from this study is that the RepRap [3D printers] is an economically attractive investment for the average U.S. household already.'"

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  1. Apropos lowest retail cost by c0lo · · Score: 4, Funny

    I wonder... have they tried our Chinese friends?

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    1. Re:Apropos lowest retail cost by semi-extrinsic · · Score: 3, Informative

      This. With free shipping on everything, and a shower curtain including 12 rings costing $10, an iPhone case costing $3.50, I think the 3D printer would take a long time to break even.

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    2. Re:Apropos lowest retail cost by c0lo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ... I think the 3D printer would take a long time to break even.

      Unless... mmmm... unless our friends start selling 3D printers at lower prices. Probably in a year or two.

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    3. Re:Apropos lowest retail cost by Dunbal · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Without considering that a set of shower rings can last 5 years or more... I think this study is obviously bogus. I honestly can't think about any bunch of stand-alone plastic items I spend $2000 on every year.

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    4. Re:Apropos lowest retail cost by derGoldstein · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yep. At which point forget reprap, makerbot, and all other similar designs. They'll figure out how to manufacture these things the same way that inkjet printers are manufactured:
      1) A handful of injection-molded parts that can be manufactured at 10 cents a part, and at a rate of tens of thousands per-day
      2) Super-dedicated electronics with just a couple of significant ICs -- the logic chip (probably some MCU initially, and eventually an ASIC) and the motor-driving chip
      3) Optimized motors which they buy in groups of 100,000 from another manufacturer in the same province
      4) compact, light-weight designs so that they can pack countless units into a single shipping container

      All this aristocratic "Look at me! I spent $2000 on a Makerbot!" bullshit will disappear. Oh, and just like printers -- the most expensive part will be the "ink".

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    5. Re:Apropos lowest retail cost by derGoldstein · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is an article that's deigned for SEO. Anyone with any inkling of how these things work and the quality of the products would call BS instantly. An iPhone case? You can get a beautiful, highly-detailed case for your phone for $2 on ebay, but you're going to opt for a rough, "pixelated", bad-fit 3D-printed one? This study would only apply if you looked for the stupidest possible way to buy things -- the equivalent of buying a soda in a movie theater.

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    6. Re:Apropos lowest retail cost by mysidia · · Score: 2

      You can get a beautiful, highly-detailed case for your phone for $2 on ebay, but you're going to opt for a rough, "pixelated", bad-fit 3D-printed one?

      A lot of people still buy things like iPhone cases at retail; especially at the ATT or Verizon store, where the markup on these high-margin accesories is probably the highest.

    7. Re:Apropos lowest retail cost by niftydude · · Score: 4, Informative

      Exactly. The actual paper is behind a paywall that I have access to. So below I'll include a list of their 20 items. I can't imagine buying any of these annually. The bulk of the $2000 claim comes from two items which significantly skew the statistics.

      The first is a medical orthotic, the retail price of which they set at $800, and which the majority of people in the world without fallen arches/foot problems will never need.

      The second is a shower head which they price at $437.22. Again, you don't buy a shower head every year, the $400+ ones will have a 10-year warranty and are going to be of significantly better quality than what comes out of a 3-D printer.

      Additionally, in a clear attempt to boost costs, 6 out of the 20 items are overpriced Apple accessories: iPhone 5 dock, iPhone 4 dock, iPhone 5 case, iPad stand, Nano watchband, and an iPhone tripod.

      The full list of 20 items:
      iPhone 5 dock
      iPhone 4 dock
      iPhone 5 case
      Jewelry organizer
      Garlic press
      Caliper
      Wall plate
      12 x Shower curtain rings
      Shower head
      Key hanger (3 hooks)
      iPad stand
      Orthotic
      Safety razor
      Pickup
      Train track toy
      Nano watchband
      iPhone tripod
      Paper towel holder
      Pierogi mold
      Spoon holder

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    8. Re:Apropos lowest retail cost by Dr+Max · · Score: 2

      You can build a reprap for a couple of hundred dollars, but how many sets of curtain rings and crappy iphone cases do you need per year? I think we need bigger build areas, that will open more bigger options (which usually cost more and have higher shipping costs). If you can print coat hangers, coffee tables, rc planes, and a replacement stand for my floor fan I'm going to be a lot more interested (yes i know you can print bigger things by doing it in parts, but it's a lot more hassle and not as strong).

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    9. Re:Apropos lowest retail cost by N1AK · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And you think they are the people who are going to buy a 3d printer, search and find the templates they need and print it themselves?

    10. Re:Apropos lowest retail cost by DrXym · · Score: 2
      3D printing of the Makerbot / Reprap kind is probably fine for utilitarian purposes (assuming you can model a part), but it looks absolutely hideous for anything decorative that people have a chance to examine up close. So curtain rings, yes, iPhone case probably no.

      Since the paper is behind a paywall I have no idea what things they think could make the printer pay for itself in a year, but somehow I doubt these represent a typical purchase pattern of anybody anywhere.

    11. Re:Apropos lowest retail cost by coofercat · · Score: 4, Informative

      I don't disagree entirely, but I'd like to add that it's not quite as simple as you make out. As an Ultimaker owner, I've found that very small details make a huge difference to print quality. I've also found that as the machine's design evolves, so does the 'ease' of getting quality out of it.You can get some really astounding quality out of an Ultimaker, but it takes hours and hours to print, and simply printing again doesn't always yield the same quality as it did the first time. I seriously doubt people will want to wait hours for their $2 curtain rings, and they certainly won't want to tinker with the machine and software for an hour before printing, or indeed put up with failed prints.

      Lastly, the quality of the model has as much to do with the outcome as the printer itself. I've tried some truly horrible models that I've downloaded, and I've also used some really good ones. Garbage in, garbage out.

      Ultimately though, you will be right. It'll just take a few years until the cheap printers really can do what the more expensive ones can do. In the 2 years I've owned an Ultimaker, I'd say the cost of the quality I bought 2 years ago is down by about 30%. Paying the same as I did 2 years ago probably gets you better quality/reliability/repeatability than back then too though. And even though the Ultimaker has been copied by the Chinese, and there already are various Chinese printers available, I'm not aware of any that are credible enough to eat any of Ultimaker's lunch just yet.

      Suffice to say though, you'd need to be some sort of shower-curtain weirdo to need to print enough curtain rings and whatnot to make it worth owning a printer. Popping down to your local Tescos and having them print it for you sounds a lot more likely (and is something they've talked about on their blog).

    12. Re:Apropos lowest retail cost by L1mewater · · Score: 2

      They set the retail price for the safety razor at $78!!! I'm pretty sure that for $78 in the store you'll get razors included, but the rep-rap certainly won't print any.

      They're probably talking about actual, old-fashioned double-edge safety razors, not a Gillette Mach 3 Turbo or whatever. And yes, a very nice one can cost $78 and does not come with blades. The $78 razor would also be a heck of a lot nicer and shave a lot better than anything you could print, and would last for decades. I use one, and it's older than I am. I didn't pay anywhere near $78 for it. More like $10.

    13. Re:Apropos lowest retail cost by Dcnjoe60 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As for safety razors, what about the blades? Last time I checked, you couldn't 3D print those.

      They set the retail price for the safety razor at $78!!! I'm pretty sure that for $78 in the store you'll get razors included, but the rep-rap certainly won't print any.

      but I seriously doubt a working iPhone dock could be made. Last time I checked, you had to get all of those connectors to be able to plug into your iPhone..

      The iphone 5 dock is priced at $30, and the iPhone 4 dock $40. I don't know what they are printing that they think is comparable to those, but it certainly won't be functional.

      And let's not forget the time involved. These low-end printers aren't supposed to be left unattended while operating, so at a an estimate of 4 hours per object created, assuming each design is perfectly designed and no clean up time, there is 80 hours. If you estimate your time is worth $10/hour, that is another $800 of cost. Or put differently, those shower curtain hooks may cost $0.50 of ABS plastic, but $40 of time. Then there is the time involved to sit down and design all of the stuff you want to print.

      Of course, most people don't have that skill, so what they design, will look like crap if it even is printable or they will have to purchase designs. We went through all of this when inkjet and laserjet printers became cheap enough for consumers to own. All of a sudden, all of the print shops and graphic design houses were going to go out of business. It never happened because 1) consumer devices don't have the quality that professionals demand and 2) most people don't have the skill set to even make the consumer devices perform.

      But, hey, people can fabricate a study much easier than they can fabricate good looking consumer goods with a 3D printer, and a lot cheaper, too.

    14. Re:Apropos lowest retail cost by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      I'm not so sure. Why don't Chinese manufacturers sell extremely low cost printers to go with their low cost inks? It's because you really can't go any lower than existing manufacturers already do, due to shipping costs and the like. If they sold both a low cost printer and low cost ink it wouldn't be profitable, even in China.

      I'm not sure we will ever see widespread low-cost adoption of 3D printers. Factories will appear that use industrial versions to produce things in low volumes, and the local print shop will do one-offs cheaper than most people can run a printer. Even today with 2D printing it is generally cheaper to have a low cost laser and rely on internet/shop printing for photos, unless you do massive volume. The sites listing the cost per page of printing always fail to include all the ink pissed away unblocking the heads after not using the thing for a week.

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    15. Re:Apropos lowest retail cost by SQLGuru · · Score: 2

      How is waiting hours for shower curtain rings any different than clicking the buy it button and waiting a few days for it to show up at your door. I know this is the "now" society, but I think the wait factor isn't that bad.

    16. Re:Apropos lowest retail cost by morgauxo · · Score: 2

      You don't click 'buy it now' and wait. You click 'buy it now' and go on with the rest of your life until it arrives. You do click 'print' and wait / babysit it until it is done.

    17. Re: Apropos lowest retail cost by samkass · · Score: 2

      Most low-end 3D printers use PLA plastic. This is basically processed corn starch, and while initially hydrophobic, it will rapidly degrade (rot) if exposed to water for an extended period of time. In addition, the prints are much stronger in the direction of the filament than cross-wise (using the tensile strength of the filament vs the bonding strength of the layers), so it's not just model quality but actual printing technique that matters for durability.

      They're making huge strides, but 3D printing is nowhere near the "run out and buy an HP inkjet and hook it up" level of utility.

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    18. Re:Apropos lowest retail cost by njnnja · · Score: 5, Informative

      What if I just click on 'Print it', then go on with the rest of your life until it's printed?

      You come back to it 3 hours later to find that the object has separated from the raft leaving you with $20 worth of extruded plastic spaghetti. But if you babysit it the success rate goes way up.

      It might have something to do with the nearby body heat, or maybe a hidden camera that verifies a person is there, or just pissed off little elves that don't want to be lonely. But yes, you have to babysit it :(

    19. Re:Apropos lowest retail cost by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 3, Informative

      Dude, you realise that people actualy DO buy soda at the movie theater... no?

      But you wouldn't use "movie theater" as your benchmark for soda prices, though, would you?

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    20. Re:Apropos lowest retail cost by RabidReindeer · · Score: 2

      What if I just click on 'Print it', then go on with the rest of your life until it's printed?

      You come back to it 3 hours later to find that the object has separated from the raft leaving you with $20 worth of extruded plastic spaghetti. But if you babysit it the success rate goes way up.

      It might have something to do with the nearby body heat, or maybe a hidden camera that verifies a person is there, or just pissed off little elves that don't want to be lonely. But yes, you have to babysit it :(

      That's just proof that machines are malign intelligences intent on maximizing human misery. It also explains traffic light timing and photocopier jams.

    21. Re:Apropos lowest retail cost by tsadi · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'm wondering. Say I look at online photos of some really expensive shower curtain rings, make my own 3D rendering based on those photos, then print some for myself (and maybe for some friends who come over). Am I guilty of pirating? Will lawmakers see that as "stealing"?

      Or how about if I copied the design of some really cool & expensive smartphone case and just printed one for myself instead of buying one. Will that be stealing?

    22. Re:Apropos lowest retail cost by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      "Printing" your own PCBs is about at the level of 3D printers today - eminently practical for a limited number of users. I use a modified laminator and heat sensitive resistive paper and stick the exposed board in some moderately nasty oxidizer. Takes about 4 hours start to finish but about a year of fiddling with the all of the workflow bits.

      You can get one or two off PCBs from a number of mail in houses. Just like 3D printers.

      I think the 3D printer world will actually look like the low volume PCB manufacturers in a couple of years: The occasional DIYer with their own, the easy accessibility of small shops to send for one off bits. I can''t see 3D printers in my neigbor''s house - they've yet to keep a 2D inkjet alive for more than a couple of months.

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    23. Re: Apropos lowest retail cost by Applekid · · Score: 2

      Most low-end 3D printers use PLA plastic. This is basically processed corn starch, and while initially hydrophobic, it will rapidly degrade (rot) if exposed to water for an extended period of time. In addition, the prints are much stronger in the direction of the filament than cross-wise (using the tensile strength of the filament vs the bonding strength of the layers), so it's not just model quality but actual printing technique that matters for durability.

      They're making huge strides, but 3D printing is nowhere near the "run out and buy an HP inkjet and hook it up" level of utility.

      You might find this post interesting, in which a PLA object was left outdoors for about a year. http://www.protoparadigm.com/blog/2013/06/weathering-of-3d-printed-pla-objects/

      Spoiler: not as bad as one might think. The fine print on those application white papers usually say that, to bio-degrade PLA, it needs to be ground up very finely and composted in a very specific manner.

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    24. Re:Apropos lowest retail cost by Princeofcups · · Score: 2

      Without considering that a set of shower rings can last 5 years or more... I think this study is obviously bogus. I honestly can't think about any bunch of stand-alone plastic items I spend $2000 on every year.

      As a miniatures enthusiast, I can. The problem is that the resolution is not fine enough for that kind of detail yet. Games Workshop is the one that has to start worrying. Maybe they will go to a "customize and print on demand" model.

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    25. Re:Apropos lowest retail cost by gl4ss · · Score: 2

      frankly for me it's not the worry of spaghetti prints for leaving unattended. it's the fact that the cheap ramps and mightyboard based printers have shit all _no_ protections beside some code on the atmel.

      the atmel hangs with the heater on and the heater will be on till it fries something.

      that's whats keeping me from leaving either of my printers running when going to work.

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  2. China by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Does this mean 3D printers put China out of business? (Well not completely of course - though you can print the iphone case, you still can't print the iphone yet, but the little accessories and nicknacks make up a huge chunk of the Chinese exports.)

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    1. Re:China by c0lo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Does this mean 3D printers put China out of business?

      You wish... what it actually means: China will be the number one 3D printer manufacturer.

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    2. Re:China by Karmashock · · Score: 2

      Any oil refinery.

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    3. Re:China by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 3, Funny

      You forgot:

      19. A 3D printer is invented that can make a full course meal in seconds, we call it a replicator eventually we don't have to do any real work anymore so Scotty becomes obese.
      20. Since we don't do any real work anymore, soon it becomes popular to randomly speak in meaningless technobabble so that people can still feel important.

      http://www.spike.com/video-clips/mr9tu4/cinemassacre-top-10-star-trek-technobabbles

      21. But it's ok because people still end up making more sense than your rant just did.

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    4. Re:China by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 2

      Well the article states that these printers can mostly print themselves.

      What they can't print are the things like the logic boards and connectors. However those aren't often made in China anyways, usually they're made in domestic facilities and then sent to China for assembly.

      Although unlikely, it's not unreasonable to believe that these printers could one day come in incomplete kits, and you can e.g. have your neighbor print up what isn't included and just assemble it yourself.

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    5. Re:China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Not only from China. There's probably plastic mines all over the world.

    6. Re:China by mysidia · · Score: 2

      Does this mean 3D printers put China out of business? (Well not completely of course - though you can print the iphone case, you still can't print the iphone yet, but the little accessories and nicknacks make up a huge chunk of the Chinese exports.)

      Not until they make a 3D printer with an output of quality comparable to an injection mold.

      So far... 3D printers haven't reached even 80% of the quality; you can 3D print low-quality improvised devices and design prototypes

      The printout is cheaper, but the durability and expected lifetime of a detailed part is lower; and aesthetically less appealing than what manufacturers can do.

    7. Re:China by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Chandler, Arizona is the location of the worlds most advanced semiconductor fabrication plant, and Intel owns it. Yet everything you buy that comes out of it is stamped "Made in Malaysia."

      Why? That's where it's packaged.

      I shouldn't have used the word domestic like that though - domestic could imply domestic to the US, but in reality many secmiconductor fabs are located abroad, but often not in China, and are domestic to the actual company who designs the chip (which is what I meant) - usually Japan, South Korea (Samsung being a big one), and even Europe. TSMC is probably the biggest in China, though some argue Taiwan isn't China.

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    8. Re:China by DeBaas · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's stupid, everyone knows it grows in the pacific ocean

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    9. Re: China by rolfwind · · Score: 2

      No, 3D printing is at best a fantasy of Star Trek level replication which is who knows how many lifetimes away. Until then, it's best off used for fast prototyping and other such applications, not to pretend it will replace walmart or the dollar store for shoddy goods.

  3. Just wait 'til companies catch on by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you thought the whining of the content industry concerning the illegal copying of imaginary property was loud, this will be deafening.

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    1. Re:Just wait 'til companies catch on by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't think the cries would come from any one industry or group, but from several.

      A lot of these designs that they use are rather simple, and somebody could come up with them on their own without much effort, so I don't think it would be an intellectual property thing. However the complaints would arrive thus:

      Retail stores, who usually see most of their profit come from accessory markup decline.
      UPS/USPS/Fedex shipments decline (as a result of the above from online retailers)
      Labor unions that represent assembly line workers as well as the above workers might see loss of union dues.

      I think what you'll see against 3d printers is more akin to what is going on with the rideshare service: Environmentalists will complain that they are energy hogs, health "experts" will complain about the dangers of nanoparticles, 3d printers can be used to print dangerous objects (i.e. the liberator.) These arguments will be used by lobbyists representing the above industries (as well as gun control-type groups) to try to regulate the crap out of their usage, regardless of whether they are actually dangerous or not.

      At which point society reaches a crossroads:

      The question will come down to whether or not people see having reduced need for labor as being a good thing. Personally I always see it as being a good thing. I've frequently said I'd rather live in a world where my income is $10 an hour and my lunch costs $4 than being in a world where my income is $20 an hour and my lunch costs $20. In the later scenario, although I have more income, I am in fact poorer by every definition. Technology makes you wealthier, even if it might reduce your income - it makes nice stuff available for cheaper or available easier. Cheaper stuff means somebody got paid less to make it.

      And it shows: Today's "poor" are wealthier than they've ever been. The poor in America now frequently own personal computers, cell phones, blu-ray players, playstations, big screen TV's, and don't have any problems paying for food. Recall during the 80's how only the filthy rich had a car phone or a TV larger than 40" (with a picture quality that is crap by today's standards) and the kid with the rich parents had both a sega and a nintendo. Don't confuse wealth with money - the notion that income disparity is creating more poor and killing the middle class is a flawed one, because it's simply moving the goalpost based on a single number on a spreadsheet and completely ignores everything else that should properly define the word "poor" (material possessions being one of them.)

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    2. Re:Just wait 'til companies catch on by DerekLyons · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Today's "poor" are wealthier than they've ever been. The poor in America now frequently own personal computers, cell phones, blu-ray players, playstations, big screen TV's, and don't have any problems paying for food.

      You've obviously never actually been poor or have been around actual poor people, and thus have a very deranged and clueless view of how poor people live.

    3. Re:Just wait 'til companies catch on by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 2

      Oh? If we go based on income standards, I'm poor right now actually. I have Nephrotic Syndrome to the point where I'm tired all the time and can't stay awake worth shit to hold a job for damn, even so much as sitting in a chair for a few hours causes my feet to swell up so bad with edema that they hurt like a bitch, and even with supplements my calcium levels are so low that I get severe muscle cramps just walking around. My income? Other than whatever random tasks I can scrape by (usually fixing somebody's computer or something for a whopping $50, an event that rarely occurs) zero. I don't even get social security.

      You know what though? I still have some pretty nice shit. I can't afford my own place so I live in a shared domicile, but I do have a car and I don't drive like a teenager so insurance is cheap, and since I don't have to commute I don't spend much on gas. I have a nice computer with a big TV and a netflix subscription, which combined with my internet bill (50/10) is $40 a month. It's not so bad, I have my own room and my combined monthly expenses are about $300. The trick is to not live in New York where the rent and taxes are so god damn high that minimum wage will never cover your expenses, and then wonder why you can't make ends meet like a retard. Instead I live in the suburbs in a modest metro area, so the city is close enough that I can acquire provisions on the cheap. Living arrangements such as this are available easily if you just look. Instead I find people who complain the most tend to insist upon living in some upscale area beyond their means, hence the "occupy movement" was formed.

      Had it not been for my kidney disease, I'd probably be working at a major tier 1 ISP who just showed massive interest in hiring me (they called me in for multiple interviews, with them telling me they were impressed with my skillset, and with me telling them that I'm sick in all of them - I'm not going to do the douchy thing of playing the ADA card and forcing them to hire me when I can't perform their tasks reliably) so it isn't as if I'm just refusing to work either. Believe me, if I could take that job, I so would, I love networking with a passion. I literally do it for fun.

      If I even made less than minimum wage, I'd be better off right now. So yeah by your income definition, I'm an actual fucking poor person.

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    4. Re:Just wait 'til companies catch on by cupantae · · Score: 2

      a car phone or a TV larger than 40"

      I love my 42" car phone, but it does make it difficult when I have a passenger.

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    5. Re:Just wait 'til companies catch on by Sentrion · · Score: 2

      Except many of today's poor can't afford to live in slums. The rent is too damn high. Today's poor tend to be displaced adult middle-class who lost everything over the past decade due to two stock crashes that burned up their 401ks, the housing crash, the labor decline, and bankruptcy "reform" that forced them to lose too much before they can qualify for a "fresh start" (case in point, in chapter 13 bankruptcy you are not allowed room in your budget to build up an emergency fund, yet they take every "disposable" dollar you have for five years straight). You can find them living in their cars, or sometimes permanently living in pitched tents at campgrounds. The dependency on automobiles is a steady strain given the constantly increasing cost of fuel. Most of the poorest people I know maintain their own vehicles since they could never afford service from a repair shop. But this also means they have to drive cars from the 1980's that are mostly user serviceable with tools they store in their trunk. Today's vehicles have so much added technology that even basic repairs are difficult or too expensive (requiring specialized tools) to attempt on one's own. Many are living this way in secret because most employers and schools (for their children) require a physical address - sometimes even proof of residency, like a utility bill. Families with children may not seek aid because they fear their children being taken away. Many others are able to couch surf if they have enough friends or family willing to help, but then they rarely are able to qualify for any state assistance or even bankruptcy, since the programs consider "household income", and free rent and utilities is counted as income in determining what aid they can qualify for (tip: don't crash at your brother's mansion). Since they are still receiving enough income to barely survive (from low paying part-time jobs and/or odd jobs/gigs/handyman type work or scrap metal scavenging) they often don't qualify for state assistance or private charity. Often there are programs that they do qualify for, but there is no magic entitlements fairy to explain to them what options they have. Applying for benefits often involves traveling deep into a city, showing up early in the morning, and possibly standing in a line for an entire day just to be told to come back tomorrow, or to come back with another proof of ID or another form filled out or just being told they don't qualify. Often they have disabilities that are a competitive disadvantage, but don't qualify for assistance for one reason or another - most often because they were not "employed" or employed long enough when they became disabled.

      Now, for those "poor" enough to receive entitlements, there is no shortage of those who could if they were willing be more self reliant, but they have learned how to milk the cow at both ends - by getting help from government and charities while also getting support from family and earning cash under the table doing domestic work. I've known people collecting disabilty and "can't work" - but can drive a tractor to mow the family acreage. Navigating the entitlements system becomes a job in itself, and bestows a whole new set of skills which when honed over time leads to a higher standard of living for those gaming the system. Unfortunately, the system itself becomes a trap. Once you are in there is always a fear of losing those benefits if one is able to earn too much money to qualify. Or as their child grows older and the entitlements are reduced there is the counter-productive incentive to have another child to maintain those entitlements. In fact, often times the poorest a person can be in America is earning $1.00 more than the cutoff for receiving aid, as the actual cost of living on one's own means suddenly becomes magnitudes higher when programs aren't subsidizing your food, housing, and medical care.

  4. BS by mwvdlee · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In order to recoup the ~$1,000 cost of the printer and save $2,000 on household items in a year, you'd need to buy $3,000 on household items a year in the first place.
    Excluding the cost of plastic and electricity ofcourse.

    And not just any household items, but only household items that are made of relatively weak plastic and don't have to look smooth.

    How many shower curtain rings, spoon holders and smartphone cases do you buy every year?

    Also; how fast should a 3D printer be in order to produce that amount of items in a year?

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    1. Re:BS by longk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not to mention the man hours needed to make technical drawings for all these objects. So far I've only seen Nokia release drawings for covers.

    2. Re:BS by vux984 · · Score: 2

      How many shower curtain rings

      Once. Ever.

      spoon holders

      Zero. Ever. We have one made of glass that came with a gravy boat for the ladle. But it matches the boat, and I wouldn't want a plastic one.

      smartphone cases

      Approximately 1 or so per year or so between all the family members and smartphones between us.

      Still, again, I'm pretty particular about mine -- (slipperyness / texture / etc and nothing I could 3d print would be what I want. And even then I found one exactly as i wanted it for $10 at a mall kiosk.) Meanwhile the other cases we have... one is a leather one, one is suede, and one is colored up to look like a cute panda. Is any of that going to come off a 3d printer? Nope.

      Seems like
      a) I'd never get my money back using a 3D printer even if I did switch to printable versions of everything.

      b) but why would i want printable versions of things, I like nice stuff, not cheap plastic garbage.

      c) even i wanted cheap plastic garbage... I'd probably be ahead shopping at the dollar store.

    3. Re:BS by spazmonkey · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I design and manufacture 3d printers and even i see this as overblown BS to an embarrassing degree. 3d printers have great practical if very specific uses, but they will not save - much less even find use in - the third world, they are not and will never be self-replicating, and they won't pay for themselves in the average household anytime soon. The hyperbole spewed by the almost religious sects that have sprung up around the reprap will be the undoing of 3d printing as a serious technology, or at least set it back a decade. I am a huge advocate of 3d printing, and these crazed reprap messiah types even creep me out.

    4. Re:BS by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Funny

      1) Print gun
      2) Rob bank
      3) Profit!

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    5. Re:BS by tbird81 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't mock the article. Here's what I found from a brief Google search:
      Yearly spending per household 2009:
      Housing – shelter – $10,023
      Pensions, Social Security – $5,027
      Food – food at home – $3,465
      Transportation – gasoline, motor oil – $2,384
      Shower curtain rings - $2,105
      Healthcare – $2,853

      You'd be surprised how much the average household spends on shower curtain rings. Shower curtain ring failure is an important cause of household injury, and has a high fatality rate. Also, you probably underestimate addictiveness of the shower curtain. While you may only need the ones that came with your shower curtain when you moved into the house 15 years ago, plenty of addicts blow through new shower curtain at a rate of dozens per day.

      You may have heard of Narcotics Anonymous or the AA. There's also the SCA, and a non-spiritual group called Glass door which helps people get over this dreadful affliction.

      While 3d printers may reduce the cost of the curtain rings, which may help financially, they will not be doing anything for the root cause of the problem. This is just another reason 3d printers should be banned from general use.

  5. Do they factor in time? by aXis100 · · Score: 2

    Printing shower rings in a 3D printer is not a quick process.

    Typical numbers might be 30 minutes set-up (download, heat up and slicing) + 30 minutes each x 10 rings x 1.25 (failure rate) = approx 7 hours. Granted you dont have to sit there for the whole time, but you do have to nurse the printers through quite regularly - tweaker the slicer, clean up failed prints, remove finished prints. They're not as set-and-forget as poeple might think.

  6. SHOWER RINGS!? by Dahamma · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seriously... shower rings. Yes, that's the future of 3D printing that will save the world.

    But I can't fault the summary, the article is even worse: "It blows my mind you can print your own shower curtains and beat the retail price," said Joshua Pearce, an associate professor in the Materials Science and Engineering Department at MTU.

    So now printing a couple 1" diameter pieces of hard plastic more or less equates to an entire shower curtain? Seriously, go Michigan Technical University, your academic rigor speaks for itself! And in all of my years of eating I never even realized I needed a "spoon rest", but apparently I'll save up to $2000 by printing my own vs whatever barbaric technique I have been using to somehow keep my spoon on the table.

  7. Quality? by hurwak-feg · · Score: 2

    The journal article Computer World references is behind a pay wall. I know a better way to save money. Buy good stuff. My metal shower hooks look much better than those cheap plastic ones. And since they are metal, they don't break. I'm not sure what items they are talking about that would need to be bought on such a consistent basis. I have serious reservations about their claims. I'm not going to print plastic replacement parts for mechanical things such as vehicles and appliances. Can anyone with access to the journal please let us know what items they are talking about?

    TLDR - Don't buy cheap crap, don't break stuff, and some things just shouldn't be plastic.

  8. just no by bloodhawk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    'The unavoidable conclusion from this study is that the RepRap [3D printers] is an economically attractive investment for the average U.S. household already.'"

    No, the unavoidable conclusion is these researchers have no clue as to what the average householder uses and further more they are financially inept when it comes of where and how to shop for said items.

  9. The benefit is in custom parts by thegarbz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have had a long hard think about 3D printers and I could not come up with one, NOT A SINGLE ONE, example of where I would 3D print something which I could just buy commercially and be better off. Why would I want a phone case made of a single colour plastic when there's a plethora of cases on the market with fancy designs, colours, custom grips, etc.

    For me the desire for a 3D printer is not replace things I buy but to make things I can't. Custom cases for projects, little stands and holsters for things, the indexing latch on my 20 year old coffee grinder for which there's no longer a replacement part (though a screw through a piece of wood is working fine at the moment). I could do so much with a 3D printer, and I will once the price comes down further, as it has been for the past few years.

    1. Re:The benefit is in custom parts by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      The better ones claim 100 micron resolution. They can be used to make quite intricate parts, though I presume this may not be achievable in the cheaper sub $750 machines. So far all the great examples I've seen are from reputable and rather expensive machines like the Makerbot Replicator 2

  10. Dumb "study" by Lumpy · · Score: 2

    Just because you can print them does not make them usable. The durability of reprap items is very very low. Something that these guys completely ignored in their "study".....

    Printed iphone cases fall apart, I know this, I have a 3d printer and the parts that come out are NOT durable. They are great prototype quality items butthey do not handle a year of abuse.... most fail within 30-60 days.

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  11. Really? by gstoddart · · Score: 2

    I don't even find the cost of ink makes it worth owning a color inkjet, but a 3D printer is cost effective?

    That's a little surprising. The stuff you feed into the printer must be dirt cheap, or at least cheaper than ink and photo paper.

    Because if I need to print out photographs, it's far cheaper to take the digital files to a place which can print them for a few cents each.

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    1. Re:Really? by lxs · · Score: 2

      Plastic filament is dirt cheap compared to ink but that still doesn't make 3D printing of commodity items cost effective. However for making replacment parts (that can be ridiculously expensive when bought) or custom parts they come in pretty handy.

  12. Re:I realise that this study is in the USA by tmosley · · Score: 2

    No. This was written by men locked in the basement of the ivory tower who have only the vaguest conception of the outside world.

  13. Missing the point by bryanandaimee · · Score: 2

    The authors seem to be entirely missing the point. 3D printers are for prototyping stuff that isn't already sold at the dollar store. Additionally they are useful for making replacement parts that are not available or only available as part of a larger assembly. For me the list currently includes:
    Servo brackets for a 2DOF Quadruped
    Replacement spacers for a trampoline safety net
    Lead foil holders for a linear accelerator
    Wall hook to hang a bow
    Handle for a dead bolt lock
    case for a raspberry pi
    thermometer holder for a water phantom
    ion chamber clamp for a water phantom

    Has it paid for itself? No. Is that why you bought a 2D printer? Or did you buy one because it does useful stuff like print out recipes n stuff. Did you buy that compound miter saw after a careful calculation of payback time, or did you just buy one because it helps you do/build fun stuff. Do you buy a mill or cnc cutter based on time to payback? For most of us I would guess the answer is no. We buy these tools because they fit in with our hobbies and interests. The "usefulness" and "savings" are just arguments we use to get the significant other to buy into the purchase. (And he/she doesn't really believe you, but goes along anyway.)

  14. Modelling by hattig · · Score: 2

    Modelling these things takes time. Sure, there will be off the shelf models for shower rings and the like, but if you're printing a new battery cover for your remote control you'll have to model it yourself - and that takes time.

    However, if you amortise the cost of the 3D printer over a group of friends, or co-workers, then maybe you will eventually save money. I still don't know what I would print though - children's toys might be an option once they're past the chewing stage of development. Maybe emergency lego bricks you need to finish a design? And cases for Raspberry Pis and the like.

    But the price of 3D printers will come down, and the build quality and speed will go up. What is a $500 device now will be a $200 device in three or four years, and once that barrier to entry is reduced, a lot more uses will be found.

    Replacement car parts could be a use case too - once someone does a design. My wing mirror wobbles, I presume behind it there's a plastic assembly that includes the ability to adjust the mirror's pitch and yaw that is broken, I bet printing one of those is cheaper than buying an official replacement - except that the official replacement probably won't ever break.

  15. Good conclusion, wrong premise by sootman · · Score: 2

    I think the boom will come when you can easily REPAIR all the things that would otherwise be "broken" when all it is is one little plastic piece inside that needs replacing. I'm thinking of things like cheap but otherwise good toys, the little battery cover on the back of a remote, etc. Or being able to make anything you can think of. There are plenty of little "boy, I wish I had a little stand/holder that would do X and Y" that would make life better.

    Same with regular printers. It might be hard to quantify exactly how much you're saving by being able to print coupons, boarding passes, etc. on your home printer, but the overall convenience and general quality of life are definitely improved. Little "I'll do this because I can" things are what make it worth it.

    I don't need a purchase to pay for itself in a certain amount of time, I just need it to make my life better enough that it's worth buying. I didn't buy a smartphone with google maps because I need to save enough gas to pay for the phone, I bought it to reduce the amount of time I have to sit in traffic.

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