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Apple Announces a Trade-in Program For Third-Party Chargers

EliSowash writes "In response to recent reports of safety concerns around third-party chargers for iDevices, Apple announced today that beginning August 16, 2013, you can trade in your third-party adapter and purchase an official Apple charger at a 'special price' — $10 USD. From their website: 'To qualify, you must turn in at least one USB power adapter and bring your iPhone, iPad, or iPod to an Apple Retail Store or participating Apple Authorized Service Provider for serial number validation. The special pricing on Apple USB power adapters is limited to one adapter for each iPhone, iPad, and iPod you own and is valid until October 18, 2013.'"

117 comments

  1. Smart move by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's a one-off of getting a garbage cheap charger and taking it in with ten zorkmids (they'll check off your i-doodad, so you can only do it once) and getting a first rate (well, Apple anyway) charger for a discount (from their usually high prices.)

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    1. Re: Smart move by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Plus it gets you in their store...

    2. Re:Smart move by martinX · · Score: 1

      A couple of people have died as a result of cheap knock-off chargers so what you think Apple may be implying -- "third-party hardware is real junk compared to ours" -- is probably on the money.

      As for me, I tried to save a few dollars on a mini display port to VGA cable. Result: the VGA plug's shield is just a little too big for the VGA port it's meant to go into. It fits into some others a little better, but there's no getting around the fact that it's not-quite-right. Yep, a VGA plug - the type that's been around for 30 years. Some company has managed to screw that up.

      Live and learn.

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    3. Re:Smart move by Macman408 · · Score: 1

      Now you know; next time, you should pay $80 for the Monster Cables version.

    4. Re:Smart move by martinX · · Score: 1

      Or $30 from Apple. At least it'll fit the bloody socket. I could understand if the mini DP end was iffy, but the VGA..?

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    5. Re:Smart move by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Or you could use a charger from a reputable company instead of a counterfeit one for $10 on monoprice. Also any decent USB charger works. Getting one that sells for $2 and says "Made by Aple in Califonia" might not be the best idea.

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    6. Re:Smart move by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      Or you could use a charger from a reputable company instead of a counterfeit one for $10 on monoprice. Also any decent USB charger works. Getting one that sells for $2 and says "Made by Aple in Califonia" might not be the best idea.

      There is always the problem that you may not know that your charger doesn't come from a reputable company. There have been reports of iPhone packages being opened and cables, chargers, headphones replaced with fakes, to sell the original ones at a profit.

    7. Re:Smart move by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Not only is Apple is making a statement -- "third-party hardware is real junk compared to ours" -- but they will probably still make a bit of profit selling these things for $10.

      Perhaps Apple should give the cheap bastards who bought the cheap chargers new ones for free? Then give them the new iPhone and complimentary iPad, credit their bank account with a 1000.00 dig up Steve Jobs and feed him to a wood chipper, and go out of business? Would that be enough?

      Lost in all this is that the people with the bogus chargers apparently thought that they could buy a genuine Apple charger from China on ebay for 2 bucks with free shipping.

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  2. I have a couple of broken chargers... by Joining+Yet+Again · · Score: 2

    and a couple of iPods...

    So, $20 for a couple of Apple chargers, which I assume all charge everything non-Apple up to 500mA now? Is there a catch?

    1. Re:I have a couple of broken chargers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They cost us less than $3 to make (I work in ordering). Add in S&H, packaging etc, and we're making over $5 per unit. Not a huge amount, and won't bring in the money we'd like, but from a PR perspective, we're top news on all decent tech sites and blogs at zero cost, planet wide. No other company can match us for such a trivial issue.

    2. Re:I have a couple of broken chargers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OMG those motherfuckers, how dare they make a profit.

    3. Re:I have a couple of broken chargers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A woman was electrocuted to death by her crappy knock-off wall plug. It wouldn't have mattered what was on the other end of the USB cable.

    4. Re:I have a couple of broken chargers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Almighty Dollar is how life is valued, so, yes:

      All hail the Almighty Dollar!

    5. Re:I have a couple of broken chargers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      The speculation that it was a knock-off wall plug was from Apples press release.

      From what I have seen of the original Apple plug it is just as likely that the back of the USB-connector connected with the transformer or buffer capacitor. The compact design is nice and all but I wouldn't assume that it is safe and I wouldn't assume that the wall plug was a knock-off based on Apples press release.

    6. Re:I have a couple of broken chargers... by GumphMaster · · Score: 3, Funny

      electrocuted to death

      Classic tautology. There is no other way to be electrocuted. Anything short of dying and it is not electrocution.

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    7. Re:I have a couple of broken chargers... by RobertLTux · · Score: 2

      please note you said ORIGINAL plug the current Plug was created when Jobs got pissed that the prongs could fall off. He basically told the engineers to MAKE PROBLEMS NOT HAPPEN EVER.

      http://www.righto.com/2012/05/apple-iphone-charger-teardown-quality.html

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    8. Re:I have a couple of broken chargers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      electrocute |lktrkjut|
      verb [ with obj. ]
      injure or kill (someone) by electric shock: a man was electrocuted on the rail track.

  3. OR by masterofthumbs · · Score: 1

    Or I could take that $10 and buy a thousand cheap knockoffs at wholesale prices straight from China and throw them out as they die.

    1. Re:OR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And apparently after you die, too.

    2. Re:OR by gnasher719 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or I could take that $10 and buy a thousand cheap knockoffs at wholesale prices straight from China and throw them out as they die.

      The reason that Apple offers this exchange is not the risk that the charger could die.

    3. Re:OR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are bad at math.

    4. Re:OR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or you can use 1 cheap knockoff charger, die . and take the 999 cheap knockoff chargers with you to your grave.

    5. Re:OR by Joining+Yet+Again · · Score: 2

      Are you from human resources?

    6. Re:OR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Assuming they don't explode or electrocute you first.

    7. Re:OR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oh how clever. Dont forget to take your 999 unused chargers with you to the after life party.

    8. Re:OR by firex726 · · Score: 1

      Until they fry your device.
      Dave over at the EEVblog did a tear down of a few they are they are the absolute cheapest shit possible, and will hopefully die while not in use, otherwise they might end up frying w/e is attached to them.

  4. Why proprietary chargers? by Alex+Vulpes · · Score: 0

    Perhaps this is a stupid question, but why does Apple like to use proprietary chargers/connectors so much in the first place?

    It may be that poor-quality third-party chargers could damage the device. But then I have to ask, why are iDevices so fragile in the first place? It seems most other smartphones have a standard USB port and can work with any old 5V power supply.

    1. Re:Why proprietary chargers? by EvanED · · Score: 1

      Perhaps this is a stupid question, but why does Apple like to use proprietary chargers/connectors so much in the first place?

      How could they cell you a $20 cable to plug your phone into your computer if you could just buy a microUSB cable for 65 cents from monoprice?

    2. Re:Why proprietary chargers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps this is a stupid question, but why does Apple like to use proprietary chargers/connectors so much in the first place?

      Don't try to get a job in marketing.

    3. Re:Why proprietary chargers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      what is so proprietary about Apple's chargers? Its a USB female connector coming out of the charger. The issue is UL vs non-UL certified knock-offs. You dont need to use an Apple charger, just buy any UL certified charge. No one is forcing you to buy an Apple charger.

    4. Re:Why proprietary chargers? by the+computer+guy+nex · · Score: 1

      Perhaps this is a stupid question, but why does Apple like to use proprietary chargers/connectors so much in the first place? It may be that poor-quality third-party chargers could damage the device. But then I have to ask, why are iDevices so fragile in the first place? It seems most other smartphones have a standard USB port and can work with any old 5V power supply.

      -Micro USB is terrible. Charges slow, isn't reversible, etc.

      -The iDevices aren't 'fragile', the knockoff chargers are just poorly made. Nothing to do with the device.

    5. Re:Why proprietary chargers? by gnasher719 · · Score: 4, Informative

      It may be that poor-quality third-party chargers could damage the device. But then I have to ask, why are iDevices so fragile in the first place? It seems most other smartphones have a standard USB port and can work with any old 5V power supply.

      5 Volt chargers that deliver 5 Volt are not a problem. The charger that caused all this didn't deliver 5 Volt, it delivered 220 Volt straight to the user. The iPhone survived, the user didn't.

    6. Re:Why proprietary chargers? by nbauman · · Score: 5, Informative
    7. Re:Why proprietary chargers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My Nexus 10 does well with its 2.1 amps through a Micro USB connector.

      Micro USB is the standard for everyone else in the industry. In fact, it is part of European law that all other phone makers but Apple obey. Apple skirts around it by providing an adapter.

    8. Re:Why proprietary chargers? by v1 · · Score: 3, Informative

      How could they cell you a $20 cable to plug your phone into your computer if you could just buy a microUSB cable for 65 cents from monoprice?

      I think you've missed the point. The sort of chargers you are suggesting people buy are the very ones that have been injuring people.

      Apple's just turning the spin positive by deeply discounting replacement chargers. It also gets people into their store, and gives them lots of positive PR. They're still making a little bit of money off the chargers, too, it's not a giveaway.

      I also found this nugget on Apple's info page especially interesting:

      Due to the complexity of testing required to detect an unsafe or counterfeit adapter, Apple Retail and Apple Authorized Service Providers cannot advise you on the authenticity or safety of your adapter.

      It would likely require physically smashing them open to identify a good counterfeit. So they'll even take back an authentic Apple charger. And it looks like in any condition, so you could for example, take in your dead adapter or drowned / clothswasher'd adapter and get a replacement on the cheap too. That's handy.

      Knockoffs are cheap, but they're made cheaply. I recently got a cheap 3pk of usb to dock adapters for spares, and ended up needing one to replace an original that had been in use in my truck for the last two years, the cable at the dock finally started to fray. The first replacement... well it lasted a whole five days before the cable pulled out of the dock connector. It's confirmed, ya gets what ya pays for.

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    9. Re:Why proprietary chargers? by EvanED · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think you've missed the point. The sort of chargers you are suggesting people buy are the very ones that have been injuring people.

      Um, yes and no.

      I have yet to have my phone burst into flames, and I've charged it through a microUSB cable from my computer for... well, years. And believe me, it's not a $20 microUSB cable.

      Actually, this is probably what I have, and that costs £1.84, or under $3. Is Apple really $17 better at making USB cables than Nokia? Or perhaps you're suggesting that my Gigabyte motherboard or Enermax PSU is just waiting to kill me through my phone?

      I'm not denying that there are cheap, poor-quality counterfeits. But that's a different issue. There are lots of companies that are perfectly capable of making decent hardware. Apple using a proprietary cable reduces the choices you have of good quality replacements in order to gain, from the perspective of a non-Apple user, almost nothing aside from the opportunity to give Apple more money.

      (Things are different for some of their other connectors, like the magnetic power cord.)

    10. Re:Why proprietary chargers? by tk77 · · Score: 1

      what is so proprietary about Apple's chargers? Its a USB female connector coming out of the charger. The issue is UL vs non-UL certified knock-offs. You dont need to use an Apple charger, just buy any UL certified charge. No one is forcing you to buy an Apple charger.

      Just because it has a UL logo on it, doesn't mean its real.

      The following video was meant to be a teardown of a real vs fake charger and it turns out, they were both fake.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi-b9k-0KfE

    11. Re:Why proprietary chargers? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Micro USB is terrible. Charges slow, isn't reversible, etc.

      Really? I guess my Galaxy Note II doesn't charge at 2000 mA, and fully charge in under 2 hours with the micro USB connector...

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    12. Re:Why proprietary chargers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not the USB cable, it's the power supply.

      http://www.righto.com/2012/03/inside-cheap-phone-charger-and-why-you.html

    13. Re:Why proprietary chargers? by EvanED · · Score: 1

      You're missing my point, which is that companies other than Apple exist and many of them make good products. Just because there are companies that make really bad products too doesn't negate that fact.

    14. Re:Why proprietary chargers? by DerekLyons · · Score: 0

      Five volts RMS or DC? What's the allowed ripple? Current draw? Etc... etc...

      It's a lot more complicated than "just providing 5 volts".

    15. Re:Why proprietary chargers? by tlhIngan · · Score: 4, Informative

      Perhaps this is a stupid question, but why does Apple like to use proprietary chargers/connectors so much in the first place?

      It may be that poor-quality third-party chargers could damage the device. But then I have to ask, why are iDevices so fragile in the first place? It seems most other smartphones have a standard USB port and can work with any old 5V power supply.

      Because at the time, there was no standard for USB charging (this was way back in 2003). And since you wanted dumb chargers, you needed a way to signal how much current the charger was willing to give (USB devices are only allowed to draw 100mA prior to enumeration, and 500mA only if the host allows). Since that was relatively unacceptable, Apple came up with a way to do it.

      First, the resistors pull D+ and D- to various states which signals 4 different charge currents - 100mA, 500mA, 1A, 2A. (the first and last were reserved until later on). This was because you didn't want to pull too much power out of an inadequate charger.

      Second, the 30 pin connector was just standardized (back in 2003), because there were no standards for connecting up A/V equipment to a portable device, so Apple used the 30 pin to allow accessory makers to build accessories cheaply - a serial port for control, analog audio outputs so you didn't need a DAC, etc.

      Sometime later, the USB guys made a USB charger spec which shorted D+ and D- together to signal a charger. Unfortunately, the USB charger spec is deficient in that it does not signal charge current - the official spec says youc an draw 800mA or so (and it relaxes the 100mA pre-enumeration requirements so you could boost charge your battery until you can boot far enough to detect chargers and such). Of course, without current signalling, things are confusing because your tablet might try to draw 2A out of a 500mA adapter (I've seen cheap adapters blow up because they overheat).

      As for what happens here to cause Apple to do this - cheap adapters are cheap. There is often ZERO regard to safety, including things like basic creepage and clearance (how far must high voltage rails be separated), the use of substandard safety parts (snubber capacitors), etc. In some designs, the USB port is barely 1mm away from mains voltage - a particularly humid day can easily bridge the distance and put a rather significant amount of voltage on the USB port. Or a critical part can fail and due to bad isolation, you get line voltage on the USB port.

      Here's what a real Apple adapter looks like inside. The green dot recall was because the pins could fall out, and you can see Apple molded them into the plastic so the only way to rip them out is to destroy the plastic cover.

      A fake charger torn down. Note the general crappiness.

      A dozen adapters tested. Apple is not the best - Samsung chargers are better! But the crappy chargers are clearly crap. In fact, you'll know them because your phone's touch screen stops working when you charge it. This happens on all phones - Apple, or Android. The noisiness of the power rails interferes with the analog touchscreen electronics.

      Dave Jones (EEVBlog) tears down two fake chargers he got. He's not impressed and he's really shocked at the lousy nature of it. Taking them apart was the best thing you could do safety wise than using them.

      There's nothing special to an Apple charger or any other charger. In fact, modern USB charger controller ICs now have autoswitch modes where they try all known charger methods to be the one universal charger. Youc an convert a standard USB charging charger to an Apple one with a few resistors, and an Apple one to a standard just as e

    16. Re:Why proprietary chargers? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The same reason you can buy a $3 HDMI cable off monoprice while Best Buy will sell you one for $20 at the cheapest. As long as it meets specs, it should be fine. The problem is that they can charge this price if you really want one right now. Now the problem in this case wasn't that the charger was merely third-party. It was that it was counterfeit and didn't pass any safety checks because they didn't have to pass them. The counterfeits only have to look like and work long enough to pass off as a real one. If it blows up later, that's not their problem.

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    17. Re:Why proprietary chargers? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 0

      From my reading, it's not that generic chargers are bad or one brand was necessarily better than the others. The monoprice one did just fine in tests. What everyone should get out of the tests is that counterfeit chargers are bad.

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    18. Re:Why proprietary chargers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps this is a stupid question, but why does Apple like to use proprietary chargers/connectors so much in the first place?

      It may be that poor-quality third-party chargers could damage the device. But then I have to ask, why are iDevices so fragile in the first place? It seems most other smartphones have a standard USB port and can work with any old 5V power supply.

      You realise that this is just a bog standard USB wall wart that supports 10W supply to the device, right? There's nothing proprietary about the charger at all.

      The difference between it and a cheap knock off is that the cheap knock offs have no consideration for safety at all (I'm lead to believe that the common thing they ignore is rules about how far apart the input side voltage and output side voltage electronics should be spaced apart).

    19. Re:Why proprietary chargers? by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Alex's point is probably that microUSB chargers, or connectors are standard, and even come w/ their phones. Once you've bought a Galaxy or Lumia or Blackberry, you can use the same charger to charge any of them. In my family, my sister has a Galaxy, her husband a Blackberry & I a Lumia. All of us use the same connector. But we can't charge her iPad or my iPod touch w/ it. And all the connectors came w/ their phones - we didn't buy anything else, but the result is that we have enough connectors around to share when someone's phone needs charging.

      Just b'cos something is microUSB doesn't mean that it's junk. On the contrary, my old iPod connector is frayed, and I had to get a new one - they are pretty delicate, at the Apple end of the cord, not the USB end.

      The other relevant question is that an USB connector just needs 4 signals - power, ground, V+ and V-. Apple's dock connector, OTOH, uses all sorts of other signals on that 30-pin connector - audio output lines, component video outputs, S-video outputs, serial transmit-receive signals and even firewire. So Apple essentially wants to support interfaces to all sorts of hardware, not just USB. But it does make their connector more fragile.

    20. Re:Why proprietary chargers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Volts don't kill people, idiot.

    21. Re:Why proprietary chargers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sorry, could you phrase your response in the form of Apple-bashing? When you link to a post that calls apple's charger circuitry "surprisingly complex and innovative," it sounds like you're saying Apple does things differently for a good reason.

      And we don't like that sort of fairy talk around here.

    22. Re:Why proprietary chargers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      High voltage is more likely to kill you than low voltage, though. Higher electric potential = easier for a current to be established; once the current is established, it only takes a few milliamps reaching the heart to wreck your day.

      Pretending that voltage is irrelevant in somebody being electrocuted is kinda fucking dumb, and is the sort of thing that only a fucking aspie retard would cunt on about here on Slashdot.

    23. Re:Why proprietary chargers? by smash · · Score: 1

      There have been plenty of articles on charger performance - they're not just dumb devices these days. Most well designed modern chargers monitor the battery and charge it at a rate that minimizes wear on the battery.

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    24. Re:Why proprietary chargers? by smash · · Score: 1

      Article isn't about USB cables, it's about chargers. Methinks YOU are missing the point.

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    25. Re:Why proprietary chargers? by smash · · Score: 1

      No, counterfeit chargers may be bad and there are no guarantees whether they are or not.

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    26. Re:Why proprietary chargers? by EvanED · · Score: 1

      If every single comment was exactly about the article at hand, you'd have a point, but there also wouldn't be much discussion.

      But they're not, nor should they be. And this particular thread was started by someone asking "why does Apple like to use proprietary chargers/connectors so much in the first place".

      And like I said, my comment applies equally to chargers as it does to cables. Apple isn't the only company capable of making decent gadgets.

    27. Re:Why proprietary chargers? by smash · · Score: 1

      How's the video out?

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    28. Re:Why proprietary chargers? by EvanED · · Score: 1

      As for what happens here to cause Apple to do this - cheap adapters are cheap. There is often ZERO regard to safety, including things like basic creepage and clearance

      IMO Apple's stance exacerbates that problem, not solves it. It makes legitimate "made for iPhone" adapters more expensive and thus makes cheapass counterfeit crap more attractive by comparison.

      Youc an convert a standard USB charging charger to an Apple one with a few resistors, and an Apple one to a standard just as easily.

      You consider modding your charger "easily"? I wouldn't trust a $500 piece of equipment to my handiwork, especially considering we're talking about good and bad chargers! I've soldered a few things before, and I suspect Cheapass Counterfeit Crap, LLC would have a better chance at producing a safe charger than me.

    29. Re:Why proprietary chargers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There have been plenty of articles on charger performance - they're not just dumb devices these days. Most well designed modern chargers monitor the battery and charge it at a rate that minimizes wear on the battery.

      Modern cell phone chargers just provide clean and reliable voltage. The have no information about the battery at all. Battery conditioning is entirely handled by the device. You can read about it here.

    30. Re:Why proprietary chargers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Alex's point is probably that microUSB chargers, or connectors are standard, and even come w/ their phones. Once you've bought a Galaxy or Lumia or Blackberry, you can use the same charger to charge any of them

      As well as an iPhone. What was your point again?

    31. Re:Why proprietary chargers? by unixisc · · Score: 1

      No, iPhone can only use the same charger as an iPad or iPod touch, nothing else. Whereas the microUSB cable that you get with say, a Blackberry, can charge your wife's Galaxy, your mom-in-law's Lumia or most other smartphones in the market. It's perfectly possible that different members of a household could have different phones, but if one has an iPhone and others don't, forget sharing the charger.

      Of course, anyone can decide whether that's good or bad.

    32. Re:Why proprietary chargers? by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      No, iPhone can only use the same charger as an iPad or iPod touch, nothing else.

      Wrong. http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/74660/can-you-charge-an-iphone-5-from-a-standard-non-apple-micro-usb-cable - now go to bed without dessert.

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    33. Re:Why proprietary chargers? by unixisc · · Score: 1

      You are talking about the iPhone 5, in which case, this is certainly a new trend. Otherwise, upto now, it had only been the 30-pin adaptor.

      Also, today, I saw a new iPad Mini, and this thing has yet another adapter again - not a microUSB, and not the standard Apple 30-pin adaptor either. Yippee - now another wire that one needs to take to charge that thing wherever necessary. Oh, and another thing about an iPad/iPad mini/iPod touch - if you connect them to a plain USB hub and then on to a power supply, those things won't charge. Unlike in the case of either a Galaxy, or a Lumia.

    34. Re:Why proprietary chargers? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      The DLNA wireless out video is great at the office (the TVs in the conference rooms are DLNA ready), and I've used the MHL (microUSB based) to HDMI a few times whilst traveling, with hotel room TVs. So it works really well.

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    35. Re:Why proprietary chargers? by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      You are talking about the iPhone 5, in which case, this is certainly a new trend. Otherwise, upto now, it had only been the 30-pin adaptor.

      Translation: You are too dumb to use Google - http://arstechnica.com/apple/2011/11/hands-on-with-the-iphone-micro-usb-plug-and-third-party-chargers/

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  5. OR... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they'll throw you out after YOU die.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/innovations/wp/2013/07/15/apple-investigating-claims-that-iphone-electrocuted-chinese-woman/

    1. Re:OR... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's been weeks and still nobody has been able to CONFIRM whether it was a 3rd party charger or not? Seriously, it should take 30 seconds. This whole thing fucking stinks.

    2. Re:OR... by thesupraman · · Score: 2

      ah yes, but the astroturf is DEEP on this one.

  6. They don't use proprietary chargers. by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    why does Apple like to use proprietary chargers/connectors

    They don't use proprietary chargers. The chargers have a standard USB port into which you can plug anything.

    They use proprietary connectors on the phone end because they are smaller (at least now), also more usable (the current and old connectors are less prone to damage than micro-USB) are easier to attach (the current device plug can go in either way) and also can offer advanced capabilities instead of USB.

    The chargers do have a special ability to deliver more power to an iOS device, but that's only because the charger is built to recognize when an iOS device is attached that can handle a larger power flow.

    It may be that poor-quality third-party chargers could damage the device.

    Generally they can't. But they can be badly grounded and damage you (which actually happened recently).

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    1. Re:They don't use proprietary chargers. by sessamoid · · Score: 1

      It may be that poor-quality third-party chargers could damage the device.

      Generally they can't. But they can be badly grounded and damage you (which actually happened recently).

      Quite true. The recently publicized case in China involved a third party charger that killed the user, but apparently left the iPhone still (somewhat) operational.

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    2. Re:They don't use proprietary chargers. by Alex+Vulpes · · Score: 1

      Ah, thank you! That actually makes a lot of sense.

    3. Re:They don't use proprietary chargers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why does Apple like to use proprietary chargers/connectors

      They don't use proprietary chargers.

      The chargers do have a special ability to deliver more power to an iOS device, but that's only because the charger is built to recognize when an iOS device is attached that can handle a larger power flow.

      Nice doublethink there. We have a standard (go to the "Battery Charging" heading) way of supplying higher current, so if you use something else instead, that's damn well proprietary.

      Yes, the USB-BC standard was released after millions of USB-charging iPhones were already out, so I've cut Apple a lot of slack for choosing to maintain compatibility (both ways: old iPod with new dock/charger, or new iPod/iPhone/iPad with old dock/charger) rather than getting with the standard. But now that they've switched to a new, inherently compatibility-breaking connector, there's no excuse for not simultaneously switching to the current USB Battery Charging specification.

    4. Re:They don't use proprietary chargers. by labnet · · Score: 3, Informative

      Generally they can't. But they can be badly grounded and damage you (which actually happened recently).

      The issue is not grounding, as all these chargers are double insulated, but rather creepage and dielectric isolation.
      Creepage in electrical engineering terms is the safe distance between electrical conductors of a different potential.
      There are tables we use depending on pollution level, voltage, and whether it is surface or air creepage.
      Dielectric isolation is the method(s) used to prevent a direct connection between the high voltage input, and low voltage output.
      Normally a transformer and opto couplers provide the isolation. Cheaping out, or poor design in this area, is the likely cause of the electrocution.

      Checkout this link for a teardown on a cheap chinese fake apple charger.
      http://www.eevblog.com/2012/11/20/eevblog-388-apple-clone-usb-charger-teardown/

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    5. Re:They don't use proprietary chargers. by Coppit · · Score: 1

      > They don't use proprietary chargers.

      Eh? Have you ever tried charging a iPhone with a "normal" USB charger?

      http://apple.slashdot.org/story/10/08/03/1743240/Hardware-Hackers-Reveal-Apples-Charger-Secrets

    6. Re:They don't use proprietary chargers. by jrumney · · Score: 1

      The USB sockets on Apple chargers are propriatary. The chargers are capable of supplying 2.1A, but will only supply 500mA to devices compliant with the USB battery charging specification (which allows for up to 1.5A for charging).

    7. Re:They don't use proprietary chargers. by unixisc · · Score: 1

      The charger is USB on one end, but has a whole host of signals - audio, component video, S-video, Firewire. et al on the other. Question is - how does that even start to work, if one end of it is just USB?

    8. Re:They don't use proprietary chargers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The USB end does not carry these signals. The dock port supports these signals, and different docks/cables break them out differently to different connectors. The USB ones connect only USB. The ones with video output ports connect video output, etc.

    9. Re: They don't use proprietary chargers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple use a proprietary connector for one reason. They can control its use.

      long ago, I lived in the knockoff capital of the world Shenzhen. as I recall, If apple China busted you making a product that used the (at that time) 30 pin connector they would put their license compliance guys (well mostly girls) onto you.

      Licensing the connectors use was big business to them in south China. But I will say from my experience they were pretty supportive in getting whatever product you were developing up and running - after you got your "made for iPod / iphone" license.

      at the time every man and his dog was slapping together cheap ass speakers and chargers for export.

      I think apple tightened this up now with the new connector, in that it needs a authentication chip to communicate with the device. After the gfc, south China government became much less willing to help out with enforcement of the previously popular "LC" business model, since it might result in unemployment. So a robust system would have been needed.

    10. Re: They don't use proprietary chargers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If apple China busted you making a product that used the (at that time) 30 pin connector they would put their license compliance guys (well mostly girls) onto you.

      Dear Mr. Cook,

      I have been a very naughty boy, and am making a product using your lightning connector without a license. I would greatly appreciate it if you could put your license compliance girls onto me at your earliest convenience. Especially if they're spinners, but any reasonably attractive Asian girl will do.

      Thank you!

      Sincerely,

      An IP-stealing License Violating crook who digs Asian chicks.

    11. Re:They don't use proprietary chargers. by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      It sounds like if anything this boils down to a lack of regulation in China. These kinds of electrical devices are heavily regulated. So the idea that you need to buy an Apple branded product in order to be safe is just assinine. Every civilized country has a regulatory agency to make sure that electrical products aren't dangerous.

      Although even the Chinese situation may simply be a matter of the numbers catching up to you. Sooner or later someone somewhere is likely to be the victim of that 1 in a billion manufacturing defect.

      Given that Apple products come out of the same factories as everything else, that fruity logo is quite irrelevant.

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    12. Re:They don't use proprietary chargers. by smash · · Score: 2

      This isn't what the article is about. Apple are offering heavily discounted chargers to replace whatever busted ass genuine OR non genuine charger you may have. Apple will only guarantee chargers they produce. If you buy something else from some fly by night backyard counterfeiter in china, all bets are off. It may well be fine. It might not. Good luck claiming warranty or damages.

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    13. Re:They don't use proprietary chargers. by smash · · Score: 1

      And the likely reason is that the charger has electronics in it that talk to the idevice. If it can't talk to the idevice, it likely falls back to the minimal safe charging rate to prevent excessive battery wear.

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    14. Re:They don't use proprietary chargers. by c++0xFF · · Score: 1

      If by "electronics" you mean "a couple resistors" ... you're basically correct. Apple creates a voltage divider on the data lines to tell the device what the charger is capable of. Credit where credit is due to MintyBoost.

      The original USB spec allowed for 100 mA power with a negotiated increase to 500 mA over the data connection. Nobody bothered to implement this, and most everything will just supply 500 mA regardless.

      Apple decided 500 mA wasn't enough, and created their own proprietary (albeit simplistic) system for communicating the power capability (which includes upping the voltage in the newest chargers, I think).

      The rest of the industry simplified things even more by just shorting the data lines. USB 3.0 officially increases the power capabilities.

      End result: original poster to the thread is PROVABLY WRONG. Apple chargers are very much proprietary, from the wall wart all the way to the device connector.

  7. Generosity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Apple, in its infinite generosity, will allow you to bring in a cheap third-party adapter and will sell you a genuine one at only a 200% markup, instead of the usual 2000% markup.

    1. Re: Generosity by EGSonikku · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Really? Apple didn't have to do jack shit. We're talking about 3rd party chargers and knock-off's here.

      But please, make Apple the bad guy here for essentially warranting 3rd party hardware.

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    2. Re: Generosity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple are taking advantage of a couple of incidents with a 3rd party charger to scare people into giving them more profit. If apple were not profiting off this behavior then you can defend them, as it is they are just using it as a money grubbing exercise for customers that they obviously were never going to get anything extra from previously.

    3. Re: Generosity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They aren't doing warranting anything. They are using a tragedy and trying to make money off of it. It's disgusting.

    4. Re: Generosity by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 2

      Apple didn't have to do jack shit.

      No kidding. The same people blaming Apple for third party chargers would certainly blame Google for bad Bing search results. Right?

    5. Re:Generosity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Strange how it is Apple you are criticizing and not the companies that sell intentionally poorly designed chargers that kill.

    6. Re: Generosity by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      And if they did nothing, you'd accuse them of ignoring a dangerous situation and profiting off a tragedy. It's a no-win for Apple.

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    7. Re: Generosity by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Apple are taking advantage of a couple of incidents with a 3rd party charger to scare people into giving them more profit.

      NOT 3rd party. Counterfeit. And as it turns out, unsafe. Please read.

      If apple were not profiting off this behavior then you can defend them, as it is they are just using it as a money grubbing exercise for customers that they obviously were never going to get anything extra from previously.

      Apple could do absolutely nothing as it wasn't their charger. But I'd suspect you'd complain about that too.

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    8. Re:Generosity by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      Seriously? Do you also fault them for, without any cost to you at all, arranging to ship your old PC or phone directly from your front door to them so that they can recycle it for you and give you credit you can use towards future purchases? Because that is some seriously evil stuff they're doing, obviously. What greedy bastards they are!

      *sigh*

      Criticize them for the things that deserve criticism. Offering people a discount to possibly save lives while also currying good will when they're in a position where they don't have to do anything at all is not one of those times.

    9. Re: Generosity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The idea that it was a third party charger comes from Apples press release. AFAIK there has been no official report on if the charger used was an original or not.

      The compact size of the Apple charger do cause some concerns. The distance between the USB connector and the transformer and buffer capacitor is very small. I wouldn't rule out that this wasn't caused by an original charger yet.

    10. Re: Generosity by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1
      And where did you get that from this release?

      Recent reports have suggested that some counterfeit and third party adapters may not be designed properly and could result in safety issues. While not all third party adapters have an issue, we are announcing a USB Power Adapter Takeback Program to enable customers to acquire properly designed adapters.

      Apple does not acknowledge whether the charger in the death was counterfeit or third party or original.

      The compact size of the Apple charger do cause some concerns. The distance between the USB connector and the transformer and buffer capacitor is very small. I wouldn't rule out that this wasn't caused by an original charger yet.

      Er? Electricity flows through metal wires. Since metal is contacted to metal on the connector, it doesn't really matter distance does it?

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    11. Re: Generosity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would anyone buy 3rd party if Apple did not overcharge for their proprietary chargers? They take $10 off a friggin' charger and it is still more expensive than 3rd party!

    12. Re: Generosity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No I wouldn't because the death was caused by a third party charger.

      People like you are the ones who make Apple look bad. You're so dead set on defending them from everything, even the smallest perceived slights, that you'll try to put words into people's mouths. Get out of here with your arrogance and baseless assumptions, douchebag.

    13. Re: Generosity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are not selling them at $10 off, they are selling them FOR $10.

      Don't worry, I know, Apple could produce rainbows and candy from their devices for free, and all we'd hear from the majority of Slashdot is light pollution and tooth decay.

    14. Re: Generosity by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Apple is offering to take any charger whether it works or not, whether it was counterfeit or not and replace with one that is genuine for $10. A charger they normally sell at $30 so they are taking a rather large cut of profits. You don't have to take them up on their offer.

      You're so dead set on defending them from everything, even the smallest perceived slights, that you'll try to put words into people's mouths.

      And you put ulterior motives behind Apple based on your bias. Maybe Apple's motives are to ensure that their customer live and not be killed by crappy chargers. Seriously if this was a story about Samsung or Nokia, would you react the same? You know Best Buy allows you to bring in old electronics to be recycled at their store. Do you accuse them of profiting off the environment to get you into their stores?

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    15. Re:Generosity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sorry, where was the part of the deal where you were forced to give Apple $10 for a new charger, instead of buying your own cheap one and taking your chances?

      I must have missed that.

    16. Re: Generosity by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      No kidding. The same people blaming Apple for third party chargers would certainly blame Google for bad Bing search results. Right?

      For people who hate Apple, they can do nothing right. Just how this Ford versus chevy stupid argument goes, only these are twits standing by the water cooler, instead of rednecks at the corner gas. Exactly the same amount of intellect.

      This! The Apple charger is a well designed Switcher Power supply. It not only supplies a significant amount of current in a small package, but it does so without the RFI present in so many small switchers. It is a first class product. Haters deny that at their own technical acumen peril.

      These fakes often have single diode rectification, try to smooth it out with a big cap, and use bad circuit board design, shaky regulation and zilch safety design.

      The idea of Apple being responsible at all for this is ludicrous, and their more than generous offer to replace those pieces of shit with their properly designed ones at a low price shows that they do have good service.

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  8. Serial Number validation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Crikey! All my iPhones and other iProducts are stolen. I guess I'll just have to steal the charger too.

    It's getting so an honest criminal can't get by with life.

  9. Defective charger could indeed damage the phone... by Ellis+D.+Tripp · · Score: 1

    if the phone has another connection to earth ground (say, through the audio jack connected to another piece of equipment), a damaging current could then flow to ground THROUGH the phone's internal circuitry.

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  10. Smart move by GPS+Pilot · · Score: 1

    Not only is Apple is making a statement -- "third-party hardware is real junk compared to ours" -- but they will probably still make a bit of profit selling these things for $10.

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  11. Who really made the charger? by Dialecticus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's been weeks and still nobody has been able to CONFIRM whether it was a 3rd party charger or not? Seriously, it should take 30 seconds.

    Exactly! I've been looking for anything that explicitly states whether the electrocution was caused by a counterfeit charger or a genuine one, and I have yet to find it. Instead I find cleverly worded PR from Cupertino that discusses the potential hazards of knock-off chargers, but without ever specifically stating that the charger in question wasn't one of their theirs. I find this curious.

    1. Re:Who really made the charger? by Anubis+IV · · Score: 4, Informative

      According to all of the reports I've been able to find, it was handed over to the police following the death, and word soon came out via Chinese state media that the charger was "likely" a knock-off one, rather than the genuine article though they never actually confirmed that was the case. That may be the most we'll get out of them, however, given that the state media has already been caught using celebrities to astroturf in an attempt to try and paint Apple in a bad light.

    2. Re:Who really made the charger? by Ecuador · · Score: 1

      I'd also like to know that. I have an old iPhone 3GS that I use sometimes for Skype and my wife picked it up while it was charging through the USB port of a laptop and she received a generous shock! She has vowed to not go near any iphone ever again! So I was wondering if it was the cable (can't be sure if it is original or 3rd party, I have both and they look kind of similar) or something else. I mean, even if it is the cable, shouldn't the connector and iphone in general be designed in a way that it cannot shock you (without getting damaged itself)? Most of my devices have a micro-usb port and I never had a problem with cheap 3rd party usb cables...

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    3. Re:Who really made the charger? by gnasher719 · · Score: 1

      In your situation, it's not the phone or the cable, it's the charger. There is obviously 220 Volt going into the charger. In a well-designed charger, that 220 Volt should not be able to go anywhere, including the cable.

      And no device protects you from unexpected 220 Volt. Imagine someone attacking you with a cattleprod. Do you expect your iPhone to protect you from that?

    4. Re:Who really made the charger? by Ecuador · · Score: 1

      What are you talking about? It was an iPhone charging on a USB port of a laptop. No charger involved, just the 5V USB, which is why I consider my case weirder.

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    5. Re:Who really made the charger? by jaseuk · · Score: 1

      Was your laptop plugged into the mains?

      I get occassional slight buzzy shocks from certain Dell Laptops when on the mains, particularly if I touch low surface area aprts such as the speaker grills.

      Probably nothing to do with the iPhone.

      Jason

    6. Re:Who really made the charger? by tlhIngan · · Score: 3

      Exactly! I've been looking for anything that explicitly states whether the electrocution was caused by a counterfeit charger or a genuine one, and I have yet to find it. Instead I find cleverly worded PR from Cupertino that discusses the potential hazards of knock-off chargers, but without ever specifically stating that the charger in question wasn't one of their theirs. I find this curious.

      Well, considering said charger is probably in police evidence, and Apple probably doesn't have full access to it to verify its authenticity, we'll never find out until their investigation is done. Also being investigated is the possibility the house wiring is bad. Some knockoffs are so good it's hard to tell - the ones we see in the western world usually have tells like misspellings or oddball spacings in the text "Use only with info mat ion technology equipment". The knockoffs even go so far as to remove the "Designed by Apple" and the manufacturer (JET, Delta) trademarks to get around IP violation bans. It's why Apple shows the entire text of the charger - because you won't miss a logo that's not there.

      If the knockoff guys spent the same effort in designing the charger that they did in evading and making the stuff look real, they'd do better than Apple or Samsung (the latter gets top marks for quality chargers).

      What are you talking about? It was an iPhone charging on a USB port of a laptop. No charger involved, just the 5V USB, which is why I consider my case weirder.

      Check your laptop's grounding - it appears to be floating. Your laptop charger is probably not completely isolated so it's letting some line voltage through the floating ground pin. I've seen it happen when 3 pin equipment is not connected to ground so it floats, putting a good 30VAC on the ground shielding. Touch that and you get a nice buzz.

      You'll probably see the same if you touch the metal of your laptop when it's not ground referenced (e.g., you probably won't notice if you plug it into a monitor which grounds the laptop, but if you touch the VGA, DVI or HDMI shield, zap!). Of course, most laptops aren't metal and the metal Is hidden away so you'll probably inadvertently ground-reference it plugging in external stuff.

    7. Re:Who really made the charger? by Ecuador · · Score: 1

      It was plugged into the mains, however I haven't ever noticed such a problem with that (10 year old Dell) laptop. And, well we do touch it all the time that it is plugged in (i.e. when typing). Anyway, still can't explain that shock. I would have actually just forgotten about it (unless my wife would remind me with "keep that iphone away" etc), but it was only 2 days later that the lady getting killed was on the news, and I started wondering what would have happened if it wasn't on the 5V USB...
      But still, since I am not an electronics guy I am wondering. Say you get a crappy charger/cable whatever and it sends a surge up the wrong pin. How would that go to the phone housing, isn't that something that shouldn't happen?

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    8. Re:Who really made the charger? by guruevi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Several options here:
      Static discharge - did he/she have stockings on (or other plastic clothing) and walking on a carpet?
      Grounding issue - less likely but do you have proper grounding in your house? If your house doesn't have proper wiring, you could get a nasty (and possibly lethal) shock eg. if your hot is wired to where the ground should be.

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  12. dirty capitalists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're still making money on their walled garden locked in standards rejecting chargers. IOW, you're still getting ripped off.

    1. Re:dirty capitalists by gl4ss · · Score: 2

      they're still making money just on the ten bucks.

      the problem with the cheap chargers is that they're made by their manufacture to be sold at three-fitty

      they should just sell 'em for the ten bucks...

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    2. Re:dirty capitalists by smash · · Score: 1

      I was wondering how the peanut gallery were going to try and spin this as anti-apple bullshit, congrats.

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  13. Not many around period... by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Over time Apple may support that spec. It seems somewhat new still (last updates were May 2012) and looking on Amazon there are not a lot of third party chargers that support it either.

    It's also a bit unclear reading the spec that it can supply as high a voltage as the newer Apple chargers deliver, if the spec can't deliver as good performance then it may be a reason to stay away from it (and for other competitors not to use it also).

    What other newer phones support this standard? That is unclear also.

    The spec makes for an interesting read. I had not realize before that USB power pins are longer than the data pins. I guess that was traditionally to give a device a short time to power up before data requests started flowing? It makes it a bit tricky to properly detect if data will be present or not though, very timing dependent and I wonder if you could trick the standard just by sliding in the connection really slow...

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  14. and yet.. by SuperDre · · Score: 1

    and even with this so called 'trade-in' Apple makes a profit on every swapped charger, so it's a win-win situation for Apple..