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Obama's Privacy Reform Panel Will Report To ... the NSA

FuzzNugget writes "No, you didn't just stumble upon The Onion by mistake. Ars Technica reports that Obama's 'reform' panel will report directly to James Clapper, the Director of National Intelligence who arguably lied to Congress about whether the NSA conducted dragnet surveillance of Americans' communications. But is anyone really surprised?"

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  1. They aren't taking the issue seriously by MetalliQaZ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's up to us to contact our representatives and let them know that they can't just sweep this under the rug like usual. There has to be consequences.

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    "Here Lies Philip J. Fry, named for his uncle, to carry on his spirit"
    1. Re:They aren't taking the issue seriously by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What consequences exactly?
      The same consequences Congress faced when they were found to be engaged in RAMPANT insider-trading?
      The same consequences the Bankers faced when they purposefully bankrupted Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac?
      The same consequences we see any member of government facing for the NSA spying debacle?

      Look guy, I hate to break it to you but the "America" you believed in never really existed and it's never going to exist.
      In generations past, we had the facade of that America and everyone tried their best to preserve that ideal.
      But the cat's been out of the bag for quite awhile now.

      Fact is, Congress and the President are jointly focused on obtaining as much power and control over you as possible.
      It's no longer about liberty, it's about Federal might and majesty.

      It's just a matter of time before the entirely of the Constitution is circumvented by Congress.

  2. Re:Happy President by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Oh, screw you. How were we supposed to know he was going to pull this crap, and how would voting for the other asshole have been any better?

  3. Re:Happy President by evendiagram · · Score: 5, Insightful

    how would voting for the other asshole have been any better?

    There are more than two options.

  4. Re:Happy President by oodaloop · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, it must be a big surprise that such a lying politician came from Chicago. No one saw that coming, nosirree.

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    Tic-Tac-Toe, Global Thermonuclear War, and relationships all have the same winning move.
  5. Re:Democracy has failed by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Campaign finance reform would go along way to changing the system.

  6. Who else would they report to? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is a panel to determine if the US "employs its technical collection capabilities in a manner that optimally protects our national security and advances our foreign policy while appropriately accounting for other policy considerations, such as the risk of unauthorized disclosure and our need to maintain the public trust."

    This isn't supposed to be oversignt. It's entirely for the NSA's benefit.

  7. Re: Happy President by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "...but, but, but, *BUSH*!"

    Seriously, in your mind, at which point does Obama become responsible for his own actions?

    It's not like the 2012 election was GWB vs. Obama.

  8. Re:Happy President by hawguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    how would voting for the other asshole have been any better?

    There are more than two options.

    Only in theory, not in practice. Without ranked voting, a vote for a 3rd party candidate is effectively a vote against whoever your second choice is, so voters are often faced with voting for the lesser of 2 evils. In the past 4 presidential elections, the only time a 3rd party candidate managed to get more than 1% of the popular vote (yet still 0% of the electoral votes) was in 2000 when Nader had 2.78% of the popular vote and if a fraction of his votes had gone to Gore, George W Bush wouldn't have made it to the white house.

  9. Re:Democracy has failed by fustakrakich · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No it won't. It will do nothing. The voter has to learn to resist propaganda, and think critically. Check the records, not the campaign speeches. Campaign 'reform' is a bullshit shell game, just like term limits. They will find another way to launder the money.

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    “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
  10. The worrisome thing by korbulon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is that they live in a world so far removed from our own - in which civil rights, due process and conflicts of interest are active concerns - to such an extent that doing something like this "ain't no thang". Disturbing.

    Frankly, they could have at least pretended to give a shit.

  11. Re:Happy President by Rockoon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Only in theory, not in practice. Without ranked voting, a vote for a 3rd party candidate is effectively a vote against whoever your second choice is, so voters are often faced with voting for the lesser of 2 evils.

    There is never an excuse when you willingly vote for evil. Never.

    This excuse of yours only convinces other people that are also looking for an excuse for why they willingly voted to increase evil. Excuses only help the conscience of people willing to swallow them.

    --
    "His name was James Damore."
  12. Re:Happy President by Nemesisghost · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You could go back just a bit further to see an even greater impact that a 3rd party had on the election. GWB's father lost his 2nd term due to Ross Perot taking almost 20% of the vote, which arguably would have gone to GHWB & led to his reelection.

  13. Re:Happy President by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I like this one:

    Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.

  14. "arguably"??? by superdave80 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...the Director of National Intelligence who arguably lied to congress about whether the NSA conducted dragnet surveillance of Americans' communications.

    Damn /. editors, you misspelled "arguably". The proper spelling is D-E-F-I-N-I-T-E-L-Y.

  15. Re:Arguably lied? by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 5, Insightful

    IMHO, he gave us the truth, but not the whole truth.

    Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.): "Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?"

    James Clapper: "No, sir"

    Wyden: "It does not?"

    Clapper: "Not wittingly. There are cases where they could inadvertantly perhaps collect, but not wittingly."

    That is not the truth, but not the whole truth. That is a flat-out lie, told under oath before a Senatorial committee.

  16. Re:how to get by by sunsurfandsand · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You can cower and boot-lick your way through life if you want. Me, I want to live free.

    Hence the Anonymous Cowardice.

  17. Re:Arguably lied? by brxndxn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm tired of this 'arguably' and 'allegedly' garbage. James Clapper has already apologized for lying to Congress. HE LIED TO CONGRESS AND HE ADMITTED IT. There is no more 'arguable' or 'allegedly' any more. It is misinformation to keep taking black and white concrete facts and use gray words in their place. It's like there's a hidden agenda somewhere to try to keep people confused on the simplest of facts.

    Therefore, Obama appointed the man in charge of the NSA, who already lied to Congress, to investigate possible reforms for the NSA. But then again, Obama also lied about the extent of the NSA's surveillance. The day after Snowden's original revelations, Obama stated that they only collect 'meta' data - but not actual phone calls. Then, recently, he states that they make copies of everything but do not look at it. Therefore, Obama's original statement was a lie.

    But that's how our country works.. Obama can lie directly to our faces. James Clapper can lie directly to Congress. And the media will say 'they may have lied.'

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    --- We need more Ron Paul!
  18. Re:Happy President by NoImNotNineVolt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The only reason the distant third candidate has no realistic hope of winning is due to you, personally, and people that share your mentality.

    I hope you're satisfied with choosing between two sides of the same coin.

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    Chuuch. Preach. Tabernacle.