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Obama's Privacy Reform Panel Will Report To ... the NSA

FuzzNugget writes "No, you didn't just stumble upon The Onion by mistake. Ars Technica reports that Obama's 'reform' panel will report directly to James Clapper, the Director of National Intelligence who arguably lied to Congress about whether the NSA conducted dragnet surveillance of Americans' communications. But is anyone really surprised?"

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  1. Re:Arguably lied? by CanHasDIY · · Score: 5, Interesting

    He himself later apologized for lying to congress:

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/07/02/james-clapper-apologizes-for-lying-to-congress-about-nsa-surveillance-clearly-erroneous/

    So he definitely lied.

    Yet he was never charged with a crime.

    I suppose this sets the precedent that all you have to do after committing a capital felony is give a half-assed apology, and you're off scot-free.

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  2. Re:Democracy has failed by mlts · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've always been partial to the idea of having government officials selected from a lottery drawing of any citizen, similar to a draft.

    At the minimum, I wouldn't mind seeing term limits in Congress.

  3. Re:Democracy has failed by Ambassador+Kosh · · Score: 5, Interesting

    After citizen's united there is no real chance of campaign finance reform.

    Do you know how many decades people worked for in various states to get campaign finance reform at the state level and to have it wiped out in a single instant by the supreme court.

    Do you have any idea how difficult it will be to get this fixed at the federal level since it would require a constitutional amendment. Corporations will spend hundreds of billions of dollars to defeat it and that much money will win. They will have studies that play everywhere constantly about how great it is that money is the same as speech etc.

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  4. Re:Happy President by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "One vote" is a pretty ridiculous system. The will of the people is much better represented when one person can simultaneously vote for both his favorites. Or all three. One vote per person per candidate, not one vote per person, makes much more sense. It would also get more people voting, since they can actually pick the one they want to win, AND the lesser evil.

    Of course, such a system would give independent candidates a chance. That will not be tolerated.

  5. Kinda like Bush. His ads, competence. by raymorris · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Right now a lot of Dems probably feel the same way most republicans felt during Bush's final year or two. Voting face palm in both cases.

    > How were we supposed to know he was going to pull this crap

    For me, Obama's own radio ads were what convinced me he'd be very bad for the country. Until he started running ads were I lived, I was hopeful he'd be inspiring ala JFK.

    I pay attention to people who have managed to get something I want, who have succeeded in something I want to do. I ask them "how did you do that"?
    So for me, Obama's message of attacking success was alarming. I see that people who show up ten minutes early, so I TRY to follow their example. Obama's message indicated if he punctual people who dress nice get ahead, he'd put an 80% tax on watches to knock down those selfish punctual people. He SHOULD look at the presidential portraits and ask "what would Kennedy do?". In the campaign, he seemed more likely to look at the Kennedy portrait and flip Kennedy off for doing better than him. So that's how I knew he'd pull a bunch of crap.

    Combined with that, about a year before he started his campaign he said it would be "irresponsible" for him to run for president because "I believe in knowing what you're doing when you apply for a job." He was correct in stating that he wouldn't know what to do as president, but that might have been okay IF he'd recognized that and followed the examples of successful presidents.Unfortunately, that's his number one flaw - he doesn't learn from successful people, he envies them and attacks whatever is successful.

    > and how would voting for the other asshole have been any better?

    It couldn't have been much worse. You might say 2008 was worse, but even awful Bush, in his first six years, looks better than Obama's first six years by most objective measures. That's comparing Obama to one of the worst presidents in history.

    Romney at least appeared COMPETENT, though kind of slimy. He really reminds me of Bill Clinton in that way. On the economy, for example, everybody wants
    for there to be more jobs. Romney, having something of a clue, would probably create more jobs. He wouldn't be focused on union jobs, if that matters to you, but non-union jobs are better than no jobs.

  6. Re:Happy President by alexgieg · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There is never an excuse when you willingly vote for evil. Never.

    Absolutely true, in a mathematical sense even:

    There are roughly 300 million people in the United States, of whom only one can be President at any given time.

    With 300 million available candidates, many of whom are not nincompoops, why does America keep electing nincompoops to political office?

    Sending a message to select 1 out of 300 million possibilities requires 29 bits. So if you vote in only the general election for the Presidency, then some mysterious force narrows the election down to 2 out of 300 million possibilities - exerting 28 bits of decision power - and then you, or rather the entire voting population, exert 1 more bit of decision power. If you vote in a primary election, you may send another 2 or 3 bits worth of message.

    Where do the other 25 bits of decision power come from?

    (...) Since around half the population is under the age of 35, at least one bit of the missing decision power is exerted by 55 delegates in Philadelphia in 1787. Though the "natural-born citizen" clause comes from a letter sent by John Jay to George Washington, a suggestion that was adopted without debate by the Philadelphia Convention.

    (...) Likewise, not everyone would want to be President. (But see the hidden box: In principle the option exists of enforcing Presidential service, like jury duty.) How many people would run for President if they had a serious chance at winning? Let's pretend the number is only 150,000. That accounts for another 10 bits.

    Then some combination of the party structure, and the media telling complicit voters who voters are likely to vote for, is exerting on the order of 14-15 bits of power over the Presidency; while the voters only exert 3-4 bits. And actually the situation is worse than this, because the media and party structure get to move first. They can eliminate nearly all the variance along any particular dimension. So that by the time you get to choose one of four "serious" "front-running" candidates, that is, the ones approved by both the party structure and the media, you're choosing between 90.8% nincompoop and 90.6% nincompoop.

    I seriously think the best thing you can do about the situation, as a voter, is stop trying to be clever. Don't try to vote for someone you don't really like, because you think your vote is more likely to make a difference that way. Don't fret about "electability". Don't try to predict and outwit other voters. Don't treat it as a horse race. Don't worry about "wasting your vote" - it always sends a message, you may as well make it a true message.

    (...) Oh - and if you're going to vote at all, vote in the primary. That's where most of your remaining bits and remaining variance have a chance to be exerted."

    Source: Stop Voting For Nincompoops.

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  7. Try reading the Federalist Papers some time. by sgtrock · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Or Common Sense by Tom Paine. Then remember that both sets of documents were originally published anonymously in order to protect the authors.

    Still think being Anonymous (especially in this political climate) is a bad idea?