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Neurologists Shine Light On Near-Death Experiences

Hugh Pickens DOT Com writes "Mainstream science has long considered the brain to be inactive during the period known to doctors as clinical death. However, survivors regularly report having powerful experiences when they come close to dying, often saying they had an overwhelming feeling of peace and serenity. Frequently they describe being in a dark tunnel with a bright light at the end, and many report meeting long-lost loved ones. 'Many of them think it's evidence they actually went to heaven — perhaps even spoke with God,' says Jimo Borjigin. Now scientists at the University of Michigan have found that the brain keeps on working for up to 30 seconds after blood flow stops, possibly providing a scientific explanation for the vivid near-death experiences that some people report after surviving a heart attack. In the study, lab rats were anesthetized, then subjected to induced cardiac arrest as part of the experiment while researchers analyzed changes in power density, coherence, directed connectivity, and cross-frequency coupling. In the first 30 seconds after their hearts were stopped, they all showed a surge of brain activity, observed in electroencephalograms (EEGs) that indicated highly aroused mental states. 'We were surprised by the high levels of activity,' says George Mashour. 'In fact, at near-death, many known electrical signatures of consciousness exceeded levels found in the waking state, suggesting that the brain is capable of well-organized electrical activity during the early stage of clinical death.' Borjigan thinks the phenomenon is really just the brain going on hyperalert to survive while at the same time trying to make sense of all those neurons firing and it's like a more intense version of dreaming. 'The near-death experience is perhaps really the byproduct of the brain's attempt to save itself,' says Borjigan" While interesting, it's important to remind ourselves that this research is not conclusive: "Borjigin and Mashour hesitate to state a direct connection between their findings and near-death experiences. The links are merely speculative at this point and provide a framework for a human study, Borjigin said."

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  1. Neurologists Shine Light On Near-Death Experiences by Darth+Snowshoe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... of rats.

  2. Re:Neurologists Shine Light On Near-Death Experien by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Funny

    Instead of "come towards the light!", it's "come towards the cheese!"

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  3. Out of Body? by kgskgs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While this can possibly explain the tunnel and the white light, how can this explain people seeing things even when their eyes were closed?

    1. Re:Out of Body? by Nadaka · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A vivid hallucinatory reconstruction of events based on memory fragments, audible perception and accounts later recounted by other observers. Not much different than an advanced sensation of deja vu. It may even be stimulated by this period of mental hyperactivity.

    2. Re:Out of Body? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      how can this explain people seeing things even when their eyes were closed?

      You can see shit in your dreams with your eyes closed.
      Your visual cortex receives impulses which is what you call "sight"... the source of those impulses can be internal or external. Which is also the reason people can hallucinate.

      Basically this research is just more evidence which supports what most rational people have known for decades- near-death and other trance experiences are not some kind of supernatural communication, your brain is essentially just short-circuiting itself.

    3. Re:Out of Body? by sjames · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It is frequently reported. Sometimes there seems to be evidence for the patient having visual knowledge not explainable by hallucinations.

      There *IS* an explanation for the observation out there, but denying the observation because you don't know what that explanation is is rarely a path to knowledge.

    4. Re:Out of Body? by Artifakt · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Near Death experiences provoke a lot of 'expert opinions' from people who are grossly ignorant. The best estimate of how many now still living people have reported a near death experience under clinical conditions alone is a seven or even eight digit number (well over a million people, and possibly over ten million, that is). I have been at conferences on this and heard professional speakers from the "scientific, it's just a brain state, in many ways like dreaming or halucinating" side of debates refer to the 'handful of documented cases' each year. Yet if you phoned your local hospital and asked them if anyone had ever reported a near death experience at that hospital, they would likely tell you they had a dozen cases just last year or similar figures.
                  I've asked experts just how many cases are reported each year, and had some, unfortunately way too many of them, say things such as "I'm not sure if they happen often enough that there is one in the west every single year." or "a few dozen or less".
                  It's pretty damned simple - make up your own mind on whether there's anything supernatural or not, or whether there's any connection between what's reported and 'life after death', 'heaven' and anything else, but don't let any 'expert' who comes up with a number less than 100,000 per year influence you. If you were having to make decisions about expanding existing air bag laws, and somebody who was billed as a transportation safety engineer said there were nearly three dozen automotive fatalities in the US last year, would you let him influence your judgement any further? If you were arguing one way or another on Obamacare, and somebody kept insisting the average cost of open heart surgery was $1.49, would you defer any further to his judgement? Or do you inform such people they are obviously not qualified to have an opinion and should let everybody who knows at least a few facts speak instead.
                  It may be very difficult to test who knows something meaningful about near death experiences. The number of new age gurus and such on one side of the debate turns many rationalists off to that side. But try asking a simple question in a manner designed to maximize the evidence based, rational analysis of the claim, like "How many NDEs are reported in hospital settings in a given year?", and you can at least clearly detect that some people have an extreme axe to grind.
                  "Hi! I'm off by six orders of magnetude!" is not a good introduction for a real working scientist.

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    5. Re:Out of Body? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's far rarer than dreaming; but 'Anton-Babinski Syndrome' provides some examples of a strange situation where a person is blind; but remains unaware of, and in denial of, that fact. If pressed for visual details, they will readily (but no more correctly than any other blind person taking an educated guess) confabulate descriptions of what the are 'seeing'. Very curious.

      Then you've got the odd case of 'blindsight', where the is blind (they no longer 'see' consciously); but the eyes and some aspects of the visual system are intact, so they, despite being incapable of describing the scene and performing other tasks we associate with sight, are capable of performing well above chance on certain tests that rely on visual stimuli. It feels like guessing; but they are substantially better than ordinary blind people (who guess at chance, as one would expect) on those tests.

  4. Guillotine by CanEHdian · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is rather unpleasant but what does this research mean for people that have been decapitated (quick and clean) - will they also be aware for another 30 seconds? Old reports of victims turning their eyes and looking at people were always brushed off as nonsense "because the brain dies right away" but this research, though not directly to do with decapitation, seems to refute that... even if consciousness lasts for another 10 seconds instead of 30.

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    1. Re:Guillotine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "The brain dies right away" is idiotic nonsense promulgated by people who think the brain is operated by some ephemeral soul that suddenly winks off to heaven/hell dropping the puppet flat.

      Any chemical/electrical process will run until the chemistry/electricity runs out.

    2. Re:Guillotine by happy_place · · Score: 4, Funny

      Of course the soul can leave before the body in the case when the brain has no "activity" but the body is kept alive... and in the case where you decide to astral project yourself into the netherspace to fight psychic entities that threaten to destroy the earth by making people perfectly happy running nothing but an ipad.

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  5. Lab Rats Report Near Death Experiences by itsybitsy · · Score: 4, Funny

    After being resurrected the lab rats reported all kinds of experiences about their near rat death experience, how they went to cheese heaven and flew above large blocks of mozzarella with a fresh hit of rot in the air, how they saw the rat goddess herself in the distance, how she was surrounded by a white tunnel that was pulling them onward to the wonderful tunnel of forever and ever and even more cheese (much like this comment). A few rats however spoke of a dark and foreboding place devoid of cheese where the fondue fires had melted it all and ultra fat rats sat all day mainlining the cheese directly into their rat guts. For some reason though the scientists didn't understand these near death experiences of the Rats and where more interested in their instruments of Rat torture. One day the "truth" will come out about rat near death experiences and the torture that prevents all rats from knowing about the cheesy Rat Heaven and Rat Indulgent Hell Yeah bring it on! To Rat Truthers everywhere!

  6. Upload in progress by cyberspittle · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The higher level of brain activity could be an upload in progress.

  7. Re:Neurologists Shine Light On Near-Death Experien by i+kan+reed · · Score: 5, Funny

    SQUEAK.

  8. Re:Slashdot sociopaths... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Funny

    Eat shit and die.

    No, that's for the fruit flies.

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  9. I died and was brought back to life by Roblimo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I had a heart attack on Mar. 1, 2010. I stayed conscious, although in heavy pain. Got stents put in, was sent home on Mar. 4... and had congestive heart failure about 6 hours after I was out of the hospital. This time, my heart just plain stopped. I was dead. EMS dudes shocked me back to life and got me to the hospital where I was treated. I obviously survived.

    But I was dead for between 3 and 4 minutes before the EMS crew got to me. No breathing, no heartbeat.

    White lights and tunnels? No. Everything faded to black. That was it. Nothing to see, nothing to hear. No gods or angels. Just... nothing.

     

    1. Re:I died and was brought back to life by clarkn0va · · Score: 4, Informative

      This time, my heart just plain stopped. I was dead.

      Possible, but quite unlikely. If the EMS dudes shocked you back to life as you say, then you were likely experiencing ventricular fibrillation. Had your heart fully stopped, there would have been no shock, as defibrillation is not indicated for asystole.

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  10. Cool, But... by CanHasDIY · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I enjoy this kind of research. It's always interesting to further our understanding of the complexity of life, and all the weird, nigh inexplicable stuff it entails.

    However, it seems a lot of readers are jumping to conclusions not even the researchers have come to; We still have, essentially, no understanding of what consciousness is, where it come from, or where it goes during these sorts of episodes. Hopefully we'll figure it out one day, and have an even greater understanding of our universe.

    I usually try to stay out of these metaphysical-themed debates; having personally experienced a fair amount of strange shit that current scientific knowledge cannot explain, my thoughts in this arena tend to be less than popular... something I've always found ironic, and a bit sad. I mean, if we're supposed to be a community who believes in science, why would anyone dismiss a hypothesis or concept out-of-hand, without proper experimentation and research?

    Oh, well, I went and said it anyway. Let fly with the down-mods, Philistines and Hypocrites, as I've broached topics you refuse to even consider, let alone debate intellectually.

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  11. Re:Neurologists Shine Light On Near-Death Experien by rwa2 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Discover magazine had something similar, where they studied nematodes and found that some sort of signal propagated through the gut that would tell all of the cells to shut the whole thing down.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2612587/

    More interestingly, they were looking at ways to block or delay that signal. So then even if part of a multi-cellular organism died, the rest of it wouldn't know about it and keep going in a zombielike state.

    But yeah, the cellular shutdown mechanism had something to do with the mitochondria, and it did release visible light in the brain cells as it was propagating through that area of the nematodes they were studying. So the bright light at the end of the tunnel is probably just the mitochondria of nearby cells in your optical cortex exploding.

  12. I can appreciate this as I watched my father die by pongo000 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was honored to be able to hold my father's hand when he passed away from stage IV lung cancer a few years back. One can never really say they are ready for a loved one to pass, but I was resigned to the fact, and therefore there weren't many emotions going through my head while telling my dad it was ok to let go. (I had read in a couple of places that scientists believe hearing might be one of the last senses to shut down immediately prior to death, so I figured I could do no harm telling him everything would be ok.)

    One thing I did notice, and will probably never forget: In the moments up to his final breaths, while his BP was dropping, his eyes never stopped moving, It could have been involuntary movements, but they would stop for an instant as if to focus on something, then move again. He never acknowledged me while I was with him the last few hours, but his eyes: They would flick around the room as if he was looking for something, or maybe seeing something only he could see. The doctor said it was likely his vision had already shut down at that point, which made it all the more impactful on me. Even as his BP dwindled away to 0/0, after his breathing had stopped (no death rattle, just shallower and shallower, with increasing apnea gaps, until it simply stopped), his eyes made a few last furtive movements, then were still.

    Who knows what my dad was seeing in his final moments? Obviously he didn't live to tell me about it. But the scientific part of my brain tells me something was going on his brain right up to the moment that he no longer had blood flowing through his brain.

  13. That's what happens with most people by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    NDEs are something that only a small percentage of the population experience. Most people just black out. Same deal with blood loss in the brain due to a centrifuge or the like. The government has studied it on military pilots and while most black out, some have NDE like experiences. At this point, we don't know why only some people experience it.

  14. Re:Neurologists Shine Light On Near-Death Experien by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 5, Funny

    > ...of rats

    No, no! They were speaking euphamistically. They were testing on politicians.

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  15. Re:Neurologists Shine Light On Near-Death Experien by Ioldanach · · Score: 4, Funny

    More interestingly, they were looking at ways to block or delay that signal. So then even if part of a multi-cellular organism died, the rest of it wouldn't know about it and keep going in a zombielike state.

    What could possibly go wrong?