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US Horse Registry Forced To Accept Cloned Horses
kdryer39 writes "U.S. District Court Judge Mary Lou Robinson said she will sign an order requiring the American Quarter Horse Association to begin allowing cloned animals to be placed on its registry, according to the organization. A jury last month ruled that the horse association violated anti-monopoly laws by banning cloned animals. The quarter horse association issues and maintains a pedigree registry of American quarter horses, a popular breed associated with cowboys riding on the range in the 19th and early 20th centuries."
Damn I'm old.
...but good luck getting the Japanese horse racing community to follow that lead...
It's a quarter horse? What are the other 3/4?
anyone can start up their own horse registry. if i ran a horse registry i likewise would not ant cloned or GMO animals to be a part of it.
Another indication that our civilization is doomed by greed. A couple of Texans want to get into the lucrative horse racing market and think their cloned animals will give them an unfair advantage over legitimate horse breeders. But the current national rules forbid it, quick sue to get the rules changed!
No other horse breeding registry allows cloned animals ...
That SHOULD have been all the defense needed, but alas, greed trumps all. Whats next, cloned pets at cat & dog shows?
If this registry were Microsoft, I wonder how the tone of the comments would change. Apparently, they have a monopoly on the registry. That opens them up for regulation. The cloned horses are legal, but their owners can't register them without creating a whole new register and trying to compete, which is too steep a hurdle because... it's a monopoly. So. As long as the registry is allowed to mark the horses as clones, I don't see a problem with this ruling. That way, the clone owners get to register their animals, and people who don't want clones in a bloodline can look it up and exclude it.
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
WTF do they have a monopoly on? A list?
If the Boy Scouts can keep gays out since they're a private organization, someone should be able to make a horse list according to their criteria.
a better question is, why do so many gays (and others) want so very badly to be in a place where they are so clearly not wanted and appreciated? reminds me of shannon faulkner suing to get into VMI (and dropping out soon after btw). why would you sue to get into someplace instead of finding a place where you are wanted and appreciated? course VMI accepted public money so faulkner won that suit. but really i just don't understand this desire.
another question: we would not allow a straight man to sleep in a tent in close proximity to young girls who are not his offspring because he might be a sick fuck. he probably isnt but it is not something to take chances with. you just dont see this being done anywhere. why should we allow gay men to sleep in tents in close proximity to young boys who are not their offspring? treating gays as equals would mean not allowing either scenario.
but really boy scouts are dominated by christians and others who generally follow traditional judaeo-christian morality. christianity and the bible is very clear about how they feel about gays. gay men suing to try to get into boy scouts is a lot like a ham company suing to get into a mosque or synagogue, it just doesn't make sense.
"The horse association violated anti-monopoly laws."
For anyone to state with a straight face that there are enforceable anti-monopoly laws in 2013 America needs to immediately start a career as a comedian.
If this registry were Microsoft
... then every time a horse on the registry got a virus, the registry would become corrupted.
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Salient facts from TFA :-
What is more compelling is the statement from AQHA after the verdict :-
Seriously, now. If you don't like the rules of a voluntary association, work from within to change the rules. Or talk to them, negotiate to get them to accept you. Or leave, and form your own association with the rules you like. Going to court to force others to put up with you is so wrong.
And yes, I dont't see where is the monopoly. The plaintiffs can still whatever they want with their cloned horses, breed them, sell them, race them etc. They just can't be registered with the AQHA.
I'm not gay, but I'm not welcome in the Boy Scouts for odious discriminatory reasons. So why do I hang around?
Because I feel that, other than the discrimination they engage in (and that they will be hugely embarassed about 20 years from now), they have an excellent program for my son. Rather than dropping him off at the door, and picking him up later, or sending him on campouts, I participate. I have explained to the scoutmaster why I can never be an adult leader in the BSA program, and he understands. I expect that my honorable service will help change the opinion the organization holds against me and move it in a more inclusive direction.
I think gay parents have the same desires to participate in their childrens lives as I do. And I will call you out on your question:
why should we allow gay men to sleep in tents in close proximity to young boys who are not their offspring?
Gay doesn't equate to pedophile. Say that again: Gay doesn't imply Pedophile.
The Boy Scouts as a private organization has every right to set rules for membership, as numerous court cases attest to. But, then, the Ku Klux Klan is also a private organization that has every right to set rules for membership. Having the right to do so doesn't imply that it's done using criteria that I consider civilized.
And the worms ate into his brain.
a better question is, why do so many gays (and others) want so very badly to be in a place where they are so clearly not wanted and appreciated?
It could be due to the fact that they were Scouts when they were younger and want to carry on the tradition. In many areas the Boy Scouts are the only organization that offers outdoor activities. Many gay fathers would like to be a Scout Master in the troops of their children.
we would not allow a straight man to sleep in a tent in close proximity to young girls who are not his offspring because he might be a sick fuck
At coed camps adults of the opposite gender sleep near children all the time. There are female Scout Masters who are allowed to sleep in a tent in close proximity to boys; why not gay men? You are also incorrect as the Girl scouts allow male volunteers.
Q: Who can volunteer?
A: Membership is open to women and men 18 and over who accept the Girl Scout Promise and Law.
a better question is, why do so many gays (and others) want so very badly to be in a place where they are so clearly not wanted and appreciated?
Why do gay people want to get married, an institution to which (until relatively recently) they were never welcome? Why did black people want to sit at the front of the bus where they weren't welcome?
Why do Anonymous Cowards keep posting stupid shit on a site when everybody thinks they're idiots?
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I'm not gay, but I'm not welcome in the Boy Scouts for odious discriminatory reasons. So why do I hang around?
May I ask why? Feel free to give a list of other discrimination they practice if you'd rather not be specific, as I ask so I can be better informed, rather than trying to poke my nose into your personal life.
systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
So, as I understand it, a cloned horse is where you take the DNA from a horse and put it into a donor egg to fertilize it with a complete chromosomal genome. Right, so, as we all know, the cell has other genetic material (mitochondrial DNA, for example). So, it's a fact that the initial cloned animal cell does not have ALL the same DNA that the initial fertilized egg had. If only the clone's chromosomal DNA is the same as the donor, then the cloned animal fertilized with nuclear DNA is not completely identical to the parent, and the clone WILL NOT produce the exact same genetic lineage that the host did -- Unless in the case of a female cloned via its own eggs? Registering studs means they of course do not produce their own eggs for cloning...
Mitochondria are key to the ATP energy cycle of cells; Thus the cloned animal and its offspring may not perform the same athletically as the parent.
In other words: It means that the Cloned Horses should be marked as such in the registry, and the Mother cell donor should be listed -- It's a whole other connectivity graph whereby instead of mixing the nucleic genomes, we are preserving the nucleic genome of the father and mixing it with the non-nucleic genome provided by the egg donor...
And you thought re-engineering a database to allow more sexes than just M or F was a pain? Yeah, I can see why the other registries would put off accepting clones.
Note: I work with artificial cybernetic genomes. I'm not a geneticist, but I felt this needed to be stated since I didn't see such posted above.
Today's cloning is not like calling Object.clone(); It's more like overriding most of the inherited object's methods having to do with appearance and structure, etc. but not all of them. Oh fine, it's like copying a complete car, but modifying the fuel injectors... Normal folks won't care but if you're racing them it might make a big difference.
Please do correct me if I'm wrong.
Wow, it must be something really creepy.
I'm not gay, but I'm not welcome in the Boy Scouts for odious discriminatory reasons. So why do I hang around?
May I ask why? Feel free to give a list of other discrimination they practice if you'd rather not be specific, as I ask so I can be better informed, rather than trying to poke my nose into your personal life.
I'm not the GP, but one possibility is that the poster is an avowed atheist. Though there is no particularly mandated religion in Boy Scouts (e.g. Hindus are welcome), atheism is not allowed.
The poster could also be a Quaker, as Boy Scouts have a Scout Oath that must be repeated and Quakers adhere to the biblical command from Jesus not to swear oaths.
These are just off the top of my head, so there may be others.
What about if they start tweaking it ?
Are we still limiting the registry to horses with only four legs?
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I don't understand why you would go to the effort and expense to clone a common quarter horse, but some of the more rarer breeds, particularly those with closed stud books, have to resort to in-breading on occasion to maintain the breed. this is a good thing for them.
If you had ten clones of a proven track horse you could increase your winnings by driving the horse harder, at the risk of damaging them because you have backup copies. For the welfare of the animals, this should be banned from horse racing... or any other sport that involves animals being commanded by people.
I expect that my honorable service will help change the opinion the organization holds against me and move it in a more inclusive direction.
But that's not how it works. Helping to develop a competing scouting organization would do that. Supporting the bigots only justifies their bigotry. "Obviously," they'll say, "people want us to carry on as we have been carrying on, even if they say otherwise; their actions tell us the truth." You're working against your stated goal, and helping to sell out the future (open scouting for everyone) in exchange for short-term gain today (your child in scouting.)
If you have any questions about human nature that still lead you to believe that this works the way you think it works, check out Bonus army.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
The all still taste the same.
Quakers adhere to the biblical command from Jesus not to swear oaths.
So they say. What reason have we got for believing them? ;)
systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
The horses are already registered, just bump the version number by 1.
I haven't thought of anything clever to put here, but then again most of you haven't either.
That way people who care can filter the cloned horses from the list.
Gay doesn't equate to pedophile. Say that again: Gay doesn't imply Pedophile.
So, back to the parents question regarding allowing straight males to sleep in tents with young females, then the same rule should apply. But it doesn't.
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Not advocating any animal abuse, but how many of these horses would even exist if there was no demand from racing, or other "commanded by people" activities? I suspect that they'd be on the endangered species list without a lot of free space for wild horses.
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Willllllbur! Is that you?
Just another day in Paradise
What is your point?
It doesn't? The gay scouts who were proud members of the organization might feel differently - their work from within brought about the changes that now allow them to be accepted in the organization.
And the worms ate into his brain.
Someday, the blatant discrimination of "The Boy Scouts of America maintains that no member can grow into the best kind of citizen without recognizing an obligation to God" will be recognized as the brain-dead bigotry it is. Frankly, I find this statement to be as offensive as anything said of homosexuals - it states clearly and unambiguously that I cannot the "best kind of citizen", that I am somehow lesser than someone who recognizes "an obligation to God". Not being the "best kind of citizen", am I to be regarded suspiciously?
And I've never understood how they are able to bend their statements to include Buddhists and Hindus. That's an enormous challenge.
Frankly, I AM the kind of person that the Boy Scouts NEEDS, regardless of my religious predilections. I AM the best kind of citizen, and their blind hatred keeps them from seeing that. So, I will take from the organization what they will give to my son, without being allowed to give back. And they will be the lesser for it.
And the worms ate into his brain.
No need to be an "avowed atheist", whatever that is. You simply have to be unable to agree to their "Statement of Religious principle" on your application, and/or be unable to agree with the Scout Oath: "On my honor I will do my best To do my duty to God and my country". You don't have to be in active opposition to religion to be unwelcome - you simply have to be a man of principles who won't swear to something you don't believe in. Agnostic, Atheist, violent anti-religious nutcase, all are equally unwelcome if they aren't silent about their lack of faith.
I've had leaders counsel me to "just sign the papers, nobody checks". But I ask them, if the oath was reversed and asked you to swear that you DIDN'T believe in GOD, and WOULDN'T perform any service to God in your life outside Scouts, would you take it?
And the worms ate into his brain.
I understand your position. I have taken many actions in my life on principle with the knowledge that these would result in adverse consequences for me.
I was just tendering some examples for those who were inquiring. In case you didn't notice, people were assuming the worst.
Anyway, I don't have a problem with the Scouts having freedom of association and having religious membership requirements. Just like I don't have a problem with the myriad of other organizations that were setup for the benefit of people different than me. My perspective is that I don't feel like forcing others to accept me into their group they formed for people unlike me.
However, I fully expect that favor to be returned. If I form a group of people who fit a certain demographic/ideology, then anyone else who wants to force our group to change to accept them can FOAD.
It doesn't? The gay scouts who were proud members of the organization might feel differently - their work from within brought about the changes that now allow them to be accepted in the organization.
No, public pressure did that. Anti-gay organizations are getting more and more heat, which can result in less and less money.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"