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The Smog To Fog Challenge: Settling the High-Speed Rail vs. Hyperloop Debate

waderoush writes "Elon Musk thinks California should kill its $68 billion high-speed rail project and build his $7.5 billion Hyperloop instead. It's a false choice. We should pursue all promising new options for efficient mass transit, and let the chips fall where they may; if it turns out after a few years that Musk's system is truly faster and cheaper, there will still be time to pull the plug on high-speed rail. But why not make things interesting? Today Xconomy proposes a competition in the grand tradition of the Longitude Prize, the Orteig Prize, and the X Prizes: the $10 billion Smog to Fog Challenge. The money, to be donated by big corporations, would go to the first organization that delivers a live human from Los Angeles to San Francisco, over a fixed ground route, in 3 hours or less. Such a prize would incentivize both publicly and privately funded innovation in high-speed transit — and show that we haven't lost the will to think big."

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  1. TSA by arthurpaliden · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does that three hours include the TSA screening process?

  2. Viva Las Vegas! by mspohr · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As a test, it might be better to try this out on the LA to Las Vegas route.
    This is shorter and land acquisition costs across the desert would be very low.
    The route today is currently very heavily traveled so there would be a good market for passengers.
    The casinos would love it and would probably fund it.

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  3. Re:No. by IICV · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes, the actual high speed rail technology is a concept that's been done before - however, stomping over all of that privately owned land between LA and SF is a political concept that's completely infeasible at this point in time.

    Although Elon Musk is using a bunch of existing technology in new ways, his plan is politically feasible - and it's not like we would just start building the Hyperloop without doing a proof-of-concept first. If it turns out that the idea doesn't scale, we'd do something else.

  4. Re:300 MPH flesh sacks of water by xaxa · · Score: 5, Informative

    Indeed, in a world of increasing teleconferencing and telecommuting, you'd think the attraction of high-speed travel would be less pressing with each year that goes by.

    Since 1993, the number of journeys by rail has gone up in the UK every year except 2008.

    Better teleconferencing and better journey times means more business happens, which more than compensates for the people who no longer need to travel. A manufacturer likes to have their suppliers nearby. The distance "nearby" increases with better railways, and the number of potential suppliers the manufacturer is aware of increases with better telecoms.