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Teens Actually Care About Online Privacy

CowboyRobot writes "According to a new report by Pew Research Center's Internet & American Life Project, more than half of American teenagers have steered clear of a mobile app due to worries about privacy. Some 56 percent of younger teens (ages 12 to 14) who use mobile apps avoid some apps after learning they had to share personal information to use it, while 49 percent of older teens (14 to 17) have. Also, teens who had at some point sought outside advice about privacy management were considerably more likely than those who had not sought advice to say that they had disabled location tracking features."

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  1. I care deeply for privacy if it drains my battery by recrudescence · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just saying, slight bias in their conclusion.

  2. Parents by SINternet · · Score: 2, Funny

    Teen online privacy really only applies to Parents.

  3. Good to hear! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm happy with half. Most people are idiots. Nearly half of any group not being a total idiot has to count as a win.
    Never really could reconcile this generation's seemingly blase attitude towards anonymity with my own generation's take on the internet. I was a teen when the internet became A Thing, and all us kids were completely fucking enamored with the anonymity. A place where we weren't judged by our age, merely by our worth? FUCKIN' A! Perfect!

  4. But... by Pollux · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Did they weigh that variable at all against what percentage of their peers used the app? To what extent do kids care about privacy in the face of peer pressure?

    Facebook demands substantial personal information about you, but last I checked, it's still the most popular social networking app kids use.

  5. Logical enough... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm mostly unimpressed by the twee nonsense about kids these days being 'digital natives' or something, imbued with mysterious computer-using powers (sure, kids these days are almost all users, unlike older age brackets that have holdouts; but the bar is not high for 'using technology', thanks to years of dedicated UI polishing and idiot-proofing, so only the usual much smaller percentage of nerds have any reason to go beyond trivial levels of knowledge); but it seems perfectly reasonable that they'd be a relatively privacy-conscious group.

    After all, kids are among the demographics most likely to be surveilled and to be punished or otherwise restricted based on that surveillance. Parents, teachers/admins, peers, present or near-future employers and college admissions officers, cops (whether they just come and break up that party you foolishly put on facebook or whether you are already familiar with being stop-and-frisked depends on other demographic variables, of course), all actively watching and frequently acting on that.

    Adults are still pretty heavily watched; but the range of banal behavior they can engage in without consequence is substantially greater.

    1. Re:Logical enough... by aitikin · · Score: 2

      Yeah, I mean, if you told me when I was a kid that my parents could find out where I am and figure out what I was doing or I could turn off this one little feature (the second link used location data as frame of reference) and they'd have no further capabilities...which do you think would happen? (yes I know, it's not that easy, but it's still the naiveté of youth that would lead me to have thought that at 12).

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    2. Re:Logical enough... by Seumas · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Exactly this. The media puts out this idea that because kids use more technology than kids of any other generation, it somehow equates to them being more technologically capable. I'm sorry, but kids using an iPad to play a game or their PC for twitter and WoW are not the same thing as kids knowing how a computer works, how to setup a router, debugging networking issues, writing code, and so on.

      Further, I do not believe that most kids give a fuck about privacy, because their actions don't follow that claim. Further, these are the same age groups that were polled a few years ago and said they felt that the press had too much free speech and the government should do something about it.

      That said, it has become trendy (thanks to reddit) for young people to suddenly give a fuck about things like their privacy. So . . . I guess there's that.

    3. Re:Logical enough... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      I'm sorry, but kids using an iPad to play a game or their PC for twitter and WoW are not the same thing as kids knowing how a computer works, how to setup a router, debugging networking issues, writing code, and so on.

      Be careful. You may be overestimating the importance of knowing how to "setup a router, debugging network issues, writing code, and so on", when it comes to being technically savvy. If you want to write code, then writing code is important, but I know plenty of people who can write efficient Cobol but don't know the basic language of Twitter, or even how to use all the apps on their smartphone.

      There was a time when being able to write C++ code made you "technically savvy". Now it makes you probably a relatively low-wage worker. There are those of us who spend more time setting up the latest version of Linux and compiling kernels than they do actually doing something with that technology. For these kids, that's all drudge work, and just care about "what I can I do with this?"

      For example, think of all the discussions here with hundreds and hundreds of comments about why someone uses a certain OS and not another. For these kids, it really doesn't matter. You sit them down with an iPhone or Android, Mac or PC and they'll be communicating with their friends while we're still setting the menus the way we like them and playing with settings in the OS to get things just so. There is a difference, and I think the edge goes to the kids who have had this technology from the crib.

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    4. Re:Logical enough... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      You're claiming that being technically savvy is equivalent to chasing the latest fashion.

      Not many are as guilty of "chasing the latest fashion" as software developers.

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    5. Re:Logical enough... by Kjella · · Score: 2

      The whole issue didn't exist when I was 12, the way to turn off location tracking was "hey mom, we're going out to play", no cell phone, no beacon. Sometimes we did have a specific place in mind, sometimes we didn't, sometimes it changed on the way so really the only reliable information was that if we said we'd be back at seven we made sure to be back at seven. And nobody had phone cameras, okay we had a family camera that took film that needed developing but it wasn't going to be around. If you did stupid shit, nobody had anything to record it with. I'd say privacy was largely something you didn't have to defend back then, it just came naturally. If I was growing up today, I'd be way more concerned about my privacy than I was then. I'd go as far as to say we were mostly oblivious to it. Fuck I'm in my 30s and this thread makes me feel oooold.

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  6. so? by epyT-R · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It only takes participation in one of these invasive networks to lose your privacy. 'apps', facebook, whatever.. it's all the same. The only winning move is not to play.

  7. Just steered clear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    of the reddit "enhancement" suite upgrade because it suddenly wanted access to history and tabs.

    Been using it for a while until then, but now I dropped it. So it happens.

    1. Re:Just steered clear by kmg90 · · Score: 2

      *facepalm* with that logic you should stop using Chrome, guess what, Google knows every place you go on the web even things you type in text boxes ("for spell check reasons" only ;) Stop using Reddit too since they track the links you click on....

      Google Chrome, putting the fear into their user base every chance while providing a false sense of security by having the most vulnerabilities the past 3 years than any other browser. Source: http://www.cvedetails.com/top-50-products.php?year=2012 http://www.cvedetails.com/top-50-products.php?year=2013 http://www.cvedetails.com/top-50-products.php?year=2011

  8. Doesn't really matter... by blahplusplus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... most kids are tech illiterate. To have any real privacy you have to understand the technology and what it's implications are and most average people will never grasp how easy it is for people to get your information if you use any technology at all.

  9. And yet by El_Muerte_TDS · · Score: 2

    most of their life they post on facebook

  10. The Next Generation by wrackspurt · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In human terms a generation is around plus twenty years. The internet about twenty years ago didn't have Google or Facebook. On /. the big concern was how completely insecure windows 95 was. There was a bit of chatter about privacy but it wasn't front and centre. The next generation has grown up on the internet and with social networking. It may be privacy will become the next way to show how cool you are. Who knows, crazy kids.... we can only hope.

  11. Re:D bag headline by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Welcome to the wonderful world of ageism, where anyone more than ten years younger than you is automatically an ignorant, lazy degenerate with no future! Please line up under the sign with the year of your birth so you can receive a bag of nostalgic items from your childhood, to further cement your prejudices about people you've never gotten to know and don't understand, and to ensure fully that the rosy tint of memory prevents you from remembering how you actually were as a person at that age, and thus from empathising with any children or teenagers.

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  12. Yeah, sure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They care about it because Google's app store shows them what permissions the app requires, then they jump to shortsighted conclusions. I once had someone email me some insulting words because my application kept track of the phone state in an attempt to reconnect gracefully after a call on CDMA carries. I guarantee the ~50% of teenagers who have not used an app because of privacy concerns have a Facebook account.

  13. Re:D bag headline by Seumas · · Score: 2

    Because they largely don't care about privacy. Or, rather, what we consider to be important aspects of privacy. You know, like privacy and control of your data and information. Here is a quote from an article earlier in the year, discussing how teens see privacy totally different:

    "The data suggest that teens care less about data privacy and more about more socially oriented forms of privacy, those designed to protect the integrity of a community."

    They may care about not having mom track them via family-GPS on their cell phone, but I have seen no shift in their behavior over the last decade to suggest they give a flying fuck about their privacy, overall. Their actions and use of websites and services over the last decade also doesn't suggest anything other than this.

  14. Social Networking and Privacy with kids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Every kid these days has a social media portfolio (doesn't matter if its Facebook,twitter,instagram it adult friend finder). Slashdot community and kids have very different views of privacy, slashdot is more concerned with protecting data from corporations and governments (lurks,pgp,etc.) while kids are more concerned with protecting data from individuals (snapchat,password protected phones,etc.). Keep that in mind when taking in this article. I'm barely an adult myself and a year ago when I was in high school nobody but a small handful (5 or so in a school of 1000) actually understood the implications of data being stored by other parties and actively fought against them. While its not a popular view its refreshing to know that I expanded the understanding of controlling your own personal data to the staff and other students.

  15. Re:You insensitive clod! by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

    Don't forget about us pedophiles.

    Pedophilia is an attraction to prepubescent children, not teenagers. If you are an adult male and feel sexually attracted to teenage women, you are normal. Acting on that attraction may make you a criminal, but it will not make you a pedophile.