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Bitcoin Perfectly Anonymous — Until You Spend It

jfruh writes "One of the great attractions of Bitcoin as a currency is that it's completely secure and anonymous. But according to researchers (PDF) from UC San Diego and George Mason University, that anonymity starts to vanish the minute you exchange bitcoin for real-world items or conventional currencies. The researchers tracked transactions across the Bitcoin ecosystem and found points where it would be easy for a government with subpeona power to find the identity of a Bitcoin user. They also concluded that the currency wasn't especially attractive for money-laundering purposes." Graph theory explains many things.

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  1. Of course. by ls671 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Of course, nothing is really anonymous. It is just a cat and mouse game.

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    1. Re:Of course. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Of course, nothing is really anonymous. It is just a cat and mouse game.

      Nothing is really anonymous either. Just look at all the 'hacked' exchanges or a 51% attack.

      And furthermore, nothing is really anonymous.

    2. Re:Of course. by lgw · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm unsure why people think Bitcoin is any kind of anonymous in the first place. Every transaction must be widely published for processing (in theory, ever miner can see every transaction). The entire money flow, every transaction worldwide, is known. Does anyone still think the NSA doesn't know every bitcoin transaction ever processed? Does anyone still think an IP address (with timestamp) is anonymous in any way?

      The only anonymous in Bitcoin transaction is one where you hand someone the "wallet". Transferring your secrets, especially by hand, is as anonymous as handing cash to someone, but that's not really the intended model, or a particularly useful one.

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    3. Re:Of course. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Of course, nothing is really anonymous. It is just a cat and mouse game.

      Nothing is really anonymous either. Just look at all the 'hacked' exchanges or a 51% attack.

      And furthermore, nothing is really anonymous.

      I disagree. I think that nothing is really anonymous.

      Cowards are anonymous. And nothing. But other than that, nothing is anonymous.

  2. Bitcoin users are working on a fix: CoinJoin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Check it out, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=279249.0

  3. Just like IRL by atom1c · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You can live a cash-only life in hopes of improving your odds at general anonymity, but every time you stand in front of a CCTV camera you are exposing yourself to the world.

    1. Re:Just like IRL by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Funny

      every time you stand in front of a CCTV camera you are exposing yourself to the world.

      No, the judge was very clear that I'm not allowed to do that any more.

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    2. Re:Just like IRL by invid · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Just wait until it is mandatory for vendors to scan currency serial numbers at every transaction.

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    3. Re:Just like IRL by lgw · · Score: 4, Informative

      Most people don't realize it's already mandatory (in the US) to scan currency serial numbers at every large transaction with a financial institution. The government is content with that, so I assume it gives them all the power they need, or they'd demand it of all merchants.

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  4. Two Comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    1. If you mine them with a pool, and connect your wallet client to the net via a proxy or VPN, they may as well be anonymous.
    2. There are bitcoin laundering / "tumbling" services available.

  5. Very Old News and Acknowledged by Bitcoin Devs by Teancum · · Score: 5, Informative

    One of the ways that you can increase anonymity with Bitcoin purchases is by issuing a different hash key for each different kind of transaction. There are other techniques for moving around large numbers of Bitcoins as well including swapping the coins between wallets.

    I'll agree that the exchange of Bitcoins for government-backed currencies is particularly problematic as current exchange laws require all sorts of identification for such transactions. On the other hand, you can live "off the grid" and just exchange Bitcoins for stuff like food, shelter, clothing, and other stuff and not bother with pesky details of exchanging into a government currency.

    Almost everything mentioned in the article as some sort of deep revelation was acknowledged by the developers and "fans" of Bitcoins on forums within weeks of the original software published by Satoshi was released.... and happened years ago. Talk about stale news. The only real news is that somebody with "credentials" in a "scholarly paper" has made the same claims.... thus it can be included on Wikipedia or some other similar website.

  6. Re:Is anybody surprised? by Teancum · · Score: 3, Informative

    So, you mean if I have a transaction for $576.23 from Bob's Porn emporium, someone can sift through the transactions for $576.23 and figure out that was me?

    Well, color me completely un-surprised. I'm not sure I've ever believed it was anonymous -- aren't the signatures of everyone who ever spent it tacked onto it?

    It isn't quite that, but it is more. Most people use the same traceable money pool where you can trace multiple transactions and use that to track people down. It isn't just Bob's Porn Emplorium, but also noting that from the same pool of bitcoins a transaction took place to Steve's Marijuana Farm, Sally's Whorehouse, and Chuck's Supermarket in Podunk, Kansas. That same pool of Bitcoins might have also received money from several people who are also all blood relatives.

    The point is that each individual bitcoin can be traced from the first work unit where it was "mined" and be followed to every transaction where it was used. Anonymity happens if you change hash values (as individual users can use new public/private pairs to claim individual bitcoins), but it isn't perfect. It still can be traced to show how similar pools of coins are used for related transactions and can be eventually used to identify people.

  7. Don't need anonymity ... by PPH · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... for purchases. The gov't will see my garage full of Porsches and Ferraris and the yacht at the dock. What I need to do is to disconnect my means of income from expenditures.

    No problem with taxes. I'll pay them. But I don't need the IRS snooping on my investments and calling their buddies with stock tips so they can front run me.

    I used to work for an outfit that bid (but lost) a major IT contract to support IRS operations. The story was that they bid way below their cost. But they figured that getting their hands on taxpayer data and using it for their own purposes would more then make up for their loss. To this day I wonder what the contract winner is doing.

    I wonder how contractors like Booz Alan Hamilton bid NSA contracts.

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  8. Re:not at all anonymous by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Bitcoin is pseudonymous. Sure, the transaction history is public, but in regard to personally identifying information it only contains public keys, hashes of public keys, and signatures made using the corresponding private keys. Keys can be generated at will—one person can have a thousand different keys, or several people can share one (provided they trust each other).

    Naturally, it's up to the user to avoid linking their keys to each other or to their real-world identity. You can avoid linking your IP address easily enough by connecting to the network via Tor or I2P. Avoiding a link to your real-world name and address is much harder when you're ordering physical goods or services.

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  9. Re:The answer is more maple syrup by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So in other words, it's a lot like cash, but less likely to bear trace amounts of cocaine?

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  10. Re:Is anybody surprised? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If they can prove that your bitcoin came from the money laundering bank, they got you for money laundering. No link to the original crime necessary for that, since money laundering is a crime itself. They'll probably also find hints about the true origin when they study your confiscated computers.

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