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How Human Psychology Holds Back Climate Change Action

Hugh Pickens DOT Com writes "Cass R. Sunstein writes at Bloomberg that an understanding of human psychology — specifically, what human beings fear and what they do not — helps to explain why nations haven't insisted on more significant emissions reductions even as scientists warn that if the world continues on its current course, we will face exceedingly serious losses and threats including a significant rise in sea levels by century's end. First, people tend to be especially focused on risks or hazards that have an identifiable perpetrator, and for that reason produce outrage. 'Warmer temperatures are a product not of any particular human being or group, but the interaction between nature and countless decisions by countless people. There are no obvious devils or demons — no individuals who intend to create the harms associated with climate change.' The second obstacle is that people tend to evaluate risks by way of 'the availability heuristic,' which leads them to assess the probability of harm by asking whether a readily available example comes to mind. For example, an act of terrorism is likely to be both available and salient, and hence makes people fear that another such event will occur. A recent crime or accident can activate attention and significantly inflate people's assessment of risk. Finally, human beings are far more attentive to immediate threats than to long-term ones. They may neglect the future, seeing it as a kind of foreign country, one they may not ever visit. For this reason, they might fail to save for retirement, or they might engage in risk-taking behavior such as smoking or unhealthy eating that will harm their future selves. 'All the obstacles are daunting skepticism about the science, economic self-interest, and the difficulties of designing cost-effective approaches and obtaining an international agreement,' concludes Sunstein, 'But the world is unlikely to make much progress on climate change until the barrier of human psychology is squarely addressed.'"

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  1. Uhg, not Cass Sunstein by geek · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is the same guy that thinks animals should have a right to sue people:

    http://www.opposingviews.com/i/cass-sunstein-proposes-that-animals-should-have-legal-right-to-sue

    Nothing this guy says should be taken seriously.

    1. Re:Uhg, not Cass Sunstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      His views on the First Amendment are also odious, as he has called for "reformulating" related law and supported the infiltration and propaganda against groups that are considered wrong by the government.

      Oh, and he's not only married to the U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, but has the ear of the President.

    2. Re:Uhg, not Cass Sunstein by Boronx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For Christ's sake, click your own link. They already value lives, you silly person. He's just saying we ought to put more resources towards saving a 10 year old who will live to be 79, then saving a 84 year old who won't live to see 85.

    3. Re:Uhg, not Cass Sunstein by khallow · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What they did actually worked to a large degree and things don't seem so bad unless your a Anne Rand level Libertarian.

      Why is the EPA still pushing through new regulations? Why is it finding novel and unconstitutional ways to enforce its regulations?

      The couple, Chantell and Michael Sackett, had started to fill the home site with dirt and gravel to prepare for construction. But the EPA intervened, announcing that the property was a regulated wetland. Agency officials ordered the couple to restore the land to its original state or face up to $75,000 a day in fines.

      The Sacketts disputed the EPA's wetland designation and filed a lawsuit to litigate the issue in federal court.

      The EPA argued that the Sacketts' lawsuit must be dismissed because the EPA's Clean Water Act compliance order did not amount to final agency action.

      In other words, the EPA claimed that the plaintiff's didn't have standing to sue the EPA even though they were being fined by the EPA $75,000 a day if they didn't comply with costly reversal of their construction efforts. One doesn't have to be an Objectivist to think that's very unfair.

      The thing here is that the EPA pretty much fixed the problems that led to its creation. Yet it's still growing. It should be like a fire department where it's funded a fixed amount to do a set job and doesn't keep enlarging itself to do more and control more.

      And the EPA is far from alone in this mission creep. The NSA is another fine example which has extended itself to the point where it's eavesdropping on the entire world. A little while back in the Fast and Furious scandal the ATF was equipping the Sinaloa cartel in Mexico with high quality US firearms under the pretext of trying to stop gun smuggling. And it appears that such guns were found at crime scenes involving more than 200 murder victims in Mexico and the US.

  2. Right... by lightknight · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because there must be something psychologically invalid about the people who do not 'believe' as you do...it could not be, I don't know, that you have not made a strong argument for the position you are taking.

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    I am John Hurt.
  3. Here's what holds ME back. by Konowl · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You know what holds ME back?

    I work hard. I worry about retirement, about having kids. I can't AFFORD to spend "extra" to go green. I will do what is cheapest. If, in the long run, a 30 mpg car helps my pocketbook over a 50 mpg car, I'll get it. I make no apologies.

    Until it's actually CHEAPER to go green, why the hell would people, who are generally underpaid and overworked by Multi-Corp Corporatoin, go green. They can't AFFORD to. If it was cheaper for me to buy a Prius (without contemplating how green the batteries are but purely looking at it from a MPG view), I would. When you see the people in North America driving around with their inefficient pickups in this day and age of impending doom, you realize that we as a species are generally screwed anyways. You want small business to go green? It has to be in their best financial interest.

    Westerners want cheap goods. They simply DO NOT CARE about the environmental footprint involved in making those goods in third world countries. They might even SAY they would pay more to get them made Green... but they're generally full of shit. Me going green doesn't make one shit tonne of difference to the world, especially when I see the absolute insane amount of waste of people around me. I could write a whole post about the shit I see on a daily basis that just makes me shake my head. What's holding people back, you ask? They don't care. Try telling some third world person shitting in a river trying to make ends meet on a daily basis that he has to go green.

    We are at the top of the population graph, or will be very soon.... and it's all downhill from there. I have absolutely no faith that we can come through this, unless we get somebody who makes the decisions who isn't paid by Multi-Corp Corporation.

    1. Re:Here's what holds ME back. by LanMan04 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This world view makes perfect sense.

      Which is why governments should use taxes to make that 30mpg car HURT your pocketbook more than the 50mpg car.

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      With the first link, the chain is forged.
    2. Re:Here's what holds ME back. by Rockoon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Which is why governments should use taxes to make that 30mpg car HURT your pocketbook more than the 50mpg car.

      Yes. Lets artificially make cars more expensive, because then this guy wont have to worry so much about his retirement, or the expense of raising his kids. That also will be great for the people with jobs making cars... /sarcasm

      The number one killer in the world is poverty. Advocating for artificial inefficiency is advocating for the killing of real living people. Deaths due to government-mandated inefficiency arent just theoretical.

      50mpg cars already have a real economic advantage over 30mpg cars. If that advantage isn't good enough, then figure out why it isn't and fix the real problem. Artificial inefficiency doesnt actually fix problems, it just pretends to. Some people are OK with pretending, because they are shallow and the act of worshiping a particular cause makes them feel better even though at its core its just an empty high at the expense of everyone else.

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      "His name was James Damore."
    3. Re:Here's what holds ME back. by Princeofcups · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You know what holds ME back?

      I work hard. I worry about retirement, about having kids. I can't AFFORD to spend "extra" to go green. I will do what is cheapest. If, in the long run, a 30 mpg car helps my pocketbook over a 50 mpg car, I'll get it. I make no apologies.

      And that is the problem with most Americans. They mod this up, because doesn't everyone really just care about numero uno? If I sacrifice, no one else will, and they will laugh while I suffer? Sickening. Is this what we've become? From "land of the brave" to "land of craving grubbing cowards." Americans used to have a concept of "common or greater good," of "helping your neighbor," of "advancing the nation." Now it's just scrounging for scraps before the rest of the curs grab them. The problem is NOT the economy, it's NOT the criminals in congress, it's NOT the invisible terrorists, it's this attitude that it's not only OK to be selfish, but it's rational and expected.

      Well, fuck you all and your tiny little world view. Humanity will grow and advance and reach out to the stars, and they will leave your filthy ass behind. It's time to bury Franklin's experiment, and get the people in this country who still have goals and ideals and courage someplace to do the work that needs to be done. I have no problem cutting loose the detritus. You are already dead and buried as far as I'm concerned.

      Was that strong enough?

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      The only thing worse than a Democrat is a Republican.
  4. Re: What's next Cass? by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe Cass can use the same explanation to explain our $16 Trillion debt.

    The same explanation does hold in both cases. The main difference is that climate is a real physical phenomenon, whereas money is purely psychological. It's a measure of intention that people try to keep track of using rewriteable magnetic patterns on spinning disks.

    I concluded long ago that due to human nature, nothing will be done about climate change until the resulting unfolding disasters force people to make desperate feats of geoengineering to attempt to reverse the damage. The cost of those efforts is probably going to make $16T look like a drop in the bucket.

  5. The problem isn't psychology... by mark-t · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's money.

    There's simply no immediate financial incentive to preventing disastrous climate change and rather large financial implications to actively trying to do something about it for the organizations with the ability to do so... such as, say, creating a firm ban on the internal combustion engine, and legislating that absolutely *NO* new vehicles made after this year can use gasoline. The economic implications of such a regulation would be enormous, probably cause total financial ruin for no small number of people, and it's not the least bit surprising that measures such as that, which might actually make some kind of difference are not being taken.

  6. Also by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's the issue of what to do. At the moment, there seems to be a lot of division and non-answers on that. If climate models are correct, a leveling off or small reduction in emissions won't do anything to help. Even massive cuts might not do the trick. Ok well going back to the pre-industrial era isn't an option, though some green groups do like the idea. That would entail a massive loss of life and loss of quality of life. So no go there.

    Likewise carbon credits, carbon exchanges, that kind of shit won't do anything. Playing money games and shuffling things around on spreadsheets does not enact any kind of real change. While economic incentives can help move things in certain directions, this won't really do that much and mostly will serve to enrich those that play the exchanges (see Wall Street).

    Ok so, we'll need something else. Some geoengineering to change what is happening, or we'll need to do R&D on solutions not to change what is happening, but to survive and adapt to the changes that are going to happen. So what are those then? What are the proposals, what do they cost, what are the risks, the benefits, etc, etc? Also where are the green groups pushing for them, advocating for it?

    Right now, it seems to be not just that there are people who do not believe that climate change is real, or is a problem (or a big enough problem to warrant large scale action), but there seems to be little in the way of solutions from those that do believe. "Just cut emissions," does not seem to be a solution that will be useful. "Cap and trade," seems to just maintain the status quo, while funneling money around to poorer countries. None of the popular solution with the climate change advocates seem to be one that would actually deal with the issue.

    Is it such a surprise then that politicians don't seem to want to act on it?

    I mean suppose I tell you that you have a real problem with your house, it is slowly deteriorating towards a collapse. I am able to prove this to your satisfaction, and I am able to show you that the reason is related to water use. Any time you run water though your pipes, it moves things further along. Also, as best as I can tell, even if you stopped running water entirely, you are already past the point where you can save it, it WILL collapse, all you can do is slow it.

    However as solutions, I propose you just try and use less water. Maybe crap in a bucket and dump it outside instead of using your toilet. I also propose you "cap and trade" your usage, you don't actually have to decrease the amount you use, but you just pay your neighbours when you use over a certain amount. None of my solutions involve fixing the problem, or rebuilding, or reinforcing, just trying to prolong things and/or shuffling funds around.

    Are you going to do what I suggest? Or are you going to ignore me?

    That's one of the real problems I see is that the solutions climate change advocates seem to put forward aren't useful solutions by their own models. If we are already past a tipping point where even drastic emissions cuts won't help, well then we need to stop worrying about emissions and start worrying about either how to geoengineer a change, or how to simply deal with the changes that are coming.

    1. Re:Also by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It amazes me the lack of logic. It seems consistent that when A -> B -> C, people get lost somewhere between A and B, policticians latch onto "Let's talk about 'A'", while anyone who starts to talk about B gets shouted down as some kind of egghead.

      If climate models are correct, a leveling off or small reduction in emissions won't do anything to help

      That's a very big "if", based on a very black and white interpretation of reporters sensationalist reporting on science, and a stretch on "won't do anything". At best, I would say "If climate models are correct, a leveling off or small reduction in emissions may have very little effect"

      While economic incentives can help move things in certain directions, this won't really do that much and mostly will serve to enrich those that play the exchanges (see Wall Street).

      This blows my mind. THE WORLD CONSUPTION OF FOSSIL FUELS IS BUILT ON ECONOMICS. people don't burn fossil fuels because it's fun, they burn them because they need to burn them to participate in their local economies. Shifting economic incentives could be all that's needed to make an enormous long term difference.

      ... climate change advocates ...

      There is no such thing. Nobody is advocating climate change, except maybe people planning the North West passage.

      AGW, Anthroprogenic Global Warming. The theory that global temperatures are being altered by humans.

      "cap and trade" your usage, you don't actually have to decrease the amount you use...

      Cap and trade is economics. If you don't understand it, just stop talking about it. The free market sets the price on emissions. Increasing the price of emissions means that an incentive is created to reduce your emissions.

      Cap and trade acts as a counterbalance to the problem that environmental controls cost money. The companies with the greatest energy efficiency are naturally penalized in the current economy. The controls cost more than the energy savings, so those without the controls outcompete in the market.

      You can legislate local controls on emissions, but that affects your international competitiveness. China doesn't need to implement environmental controls, so they burn the fuel faster, negating any carbon emissions benefit that your local controls had in the first place.

      Maybe crap in a bucket and dump it outside...

      The problem with your crap in a bucket strawman is that climate science isn't like house repair. If you extend your analogy, we don't have other houses to compare ours with. Nobody's built a house before. Nobody's knocked down a house before. Only a handful of people have stepped on the lawn of the house, and nobody's sure if there are any other houses anywhere that we could live in. Also, all your food is grown inside your house, your water is contained inside your house, we're decades from figuring out how to put our crap in a bucket to throw our crap outside. Our windows don't open, we've got an air quality issue, and there are 6 billion people inside.

      Do people mod this stuff up just because it suits their political opinions?

  7. Re:Some say...why bother? Too much a PITA. by rwa2 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Heh heh... people are pissing in the pool! I think I will too.

    In fact, I might even take a dump!

  8. Politics by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 4, Insightful

    About one half of our country is listening to the corporate line; fed to them through a filter of spurious skepticism of a stance about as close to absolute certainty as you see in the scientific community.

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    I swear to God...I swear to God! That is NOT how you treat your human!
  9. Re:Some say...why bother? Too much a PITA. by rtb61 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Everyone knows it is strictly a minority that is at the core of the inaction. Basically greedy psychopaths who generate huge profits by the current course of drill baby drill, burn baby burn, are using a percentage of those enormous profits to pay of corrupt politicians, both in campaign contributions and straight up off shore tax haven bribes. To back up those corrupt politicians, those same psychopaths are also funding junk science to come up with all kinds of shit to fling at the real science and seeing which kind sticks best and then spreading it around.

    Now add in a totally corrupted fourth estate which values advertising dollars above all else and consider lies and truth with utter indifference and you have the recipe for an insane society run by the insane whilst the majority look on dumbfounded and seemingly locked in inaction until of course it is too late.

    The crazy idea that the majority support this or are motivated in the same fashion, is just that, crazy. Really our world is being run into the ground by asshats who instead of being in charge, should be in prison, we know it, they know it, everyone knows it. However our laws and institutions have become so corrupt that instead of being prosecuted and imprisoned they are celebrated for being the greediest shit heads on the planet woo hoo, at least by mass media the totally corrupted fourth estate, now why is that, hmm, guess who owns the totally corrupted fourth estate.

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    Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
  10. Re:Some say...why bother? Too much a PITA. by paraax · · Score: 4, Insightful

    One cannot say that it is simply a small minority that support inaction. The entirety of the economy is based on people buying stuff and despite many experiments in what products are offered people will consistantly choose to save a dime rather than pay for things they perceive as unecessary. This encourages businesses not to care since their customers don't care. So yes, inertia be it political or economic is not at the 1% level. It includes the 90%.

    This goes for issues of freedom (which are more important to me) as well as environment, so this isn't directed at any cause in particular... people just like to be comfortable.