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Why One Woman Says Sending Your Kid To Private School Is Evil
theodp writes "Slate's Allison Benedikt is ruffling some feathers with her recent manifesto, If You Send Your Kid to Private School, You Are a Bad Person. 'Not bad like murderer bad,' Benedikt writes, 'but bad like ruining-one-of-our-nation's-most-essential-institutions-in-order-to-get-what's-best-for-your-kid bad. So, pretty bad.' If your local school stinks and you send your child there, Benedikt explains, 'I bet you are going to do everything within your power to make it better.'"
Bill Gates: " If they [my children] had to go to a general inner-city school, I would do anything I could to avoid that being the case, because as a parent, I particularly see the potential in my kids that that wouldn't unleash," Gates said.
President Obama: President Obama reopened Monday what is often a sore subject in Washington, saying that his daughters could not obtain from D.C. public schools the academic experience they receive at the private Sidwell Friends School.
Matt Damon: Damon told the Guardian there were no longer public schools progressive enough for his family so private was the only choice in their new home of Los Angeles.
There are no private schools in Finland. Turns out, when you make the kids of the rich and powerful go to the same schools as everybody else, those schools turn out to be decent. Here's an article on how Finland outperforms the USA in education.
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I'm a public school teacher, and I see some of the issues you address above on a regular basis. However, that is not the norm. Teachers do NOT try to create passive cattle. Most teachers work hard to teach students to be independent thinkers, while they go home to households that don't care about their education, don't push their kids to be more than obedient, and don't help find the children the support they need to prosper.
Are there terrible teachers? Yes. Should we fire them? Yes. They are not though the norm. Think of any professional environment and the slackers that do as little as possible. We all have those losers.
We also have to quit thinking of schools as external from our society. We need to see them as a part of a larger whole. We can escape blame that way, but it isn't accurate or beneficial. Do you know who your local school reps are? Have you spoken to them? Have you raised a voice that asks for more accountability or initiative from the students, teachers, and administrators?
Of all political bodies, school boards are the most local and relatively responsive to community input.
We have serious problems with our public schools, but I believe educating our children is essential for a functioning society; it is more so for a democracy. Let's not throw out the system because it has flaws. Let's work together to fix them.
Start locally.
An important change for education.
Fascism = totalitarianism + racial superiority complex.
Fascism is a system of government in which a dictator controls military, industry and commerce (and whatever other aspects of his nation that happens to become important to him), and takes tyrannical measures to maintain his control. Racism is often used as a tool, but is not necessarily a required quality for something to be "fascist". Fascist regime is necessarily Totalitarian, but a Totalitarian regime is not necessarily Fascist. Therefore, your formula should read:
Fascism = totalitarianism + dictatorship
Now, a Communist system is not necessarily Totalitarian, but Totalitarianism becomes the method of choice for maintaining Communism when a meaningful portion of the population does not wish to be under Communist rule. I suppose there may be some other way to enforce Communism on a large scale, but I don't know what that might be.
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Public schools are only for those who are the best, those smart enough to be eligible to go to them.
Socialism won't fix bad parents, no matter how much of other people's money you give them.
Money isn't the biggest problem, behavior is. More money for bad schools could help, but it won't fix parents. Poverty is more than lack of money, it is an ethos which is pernicious. It tells kids they can never get ahead. Giving out more money won't fix that problem, it won't instill a work ethic. The generations of families on assistance is testament to that.
That said, the U.S does a poor job of lifting those that have a good work ethic out of poverty. The Democrats are in thrall of the teachers unions, so it is impossible to fix bad schools from that direction. The Republicans figure if you aren't rich, it is your own damn fault, so we cannot expect any help from that direction.
Most of education outcome is more correlated with the parent's money than anything else.
Ummm.... no. Dead wrong. Show me your citation. Everything I've read says that education outcome correlates much more with parent involvement than with household wealth or any other factor.
His rebuttals are spot on. The slate author basically says "it may suck for your kids, and grandkids, and they wont learn as much, and you may have to ignore your religious beliefs, your child's special needs, etc.... but thats OK because its for the common good."
News flash: Individuals do not exist for the sake of society, society exists for the individual. It is NOT a parents duty to sacrifice the wellbeing of their child to on the altar of the state. I think Larry hit that point pretty square on, and the slate author has no clue.
Any belief that forcing public schools on everyone is seriously misguided. Nothing ever gets better when it's forced on people. The best schools in the world are in Finland, where a voucher system forces public schools to compete with private schools.
Uh, wrong. There are no private schools in Finland. Everyone gets the same education, and the results seem to be exactly what the author of TFA is suggesting.
Being live in Hong Kong for a considerable amount of time, I can certify what the GP said is very true... Public, directly funded schools are the HARDEST to get into (besides international schools), and produce standardized exam scores that are usually in the top 10%, more than 80% of the graduates goes to HKU, CUHK, Peking, Tsinghua or going overseas.
The second tier of schools are those that are funded by religious organizations, be it a catholic, protestant, baptist and buddhist.
The crappiest school are usually operated and funded by some local "chamber of commerce" who only get involved in education to make them appear "philanthropic".
Another thing, within Hong Kong there is no geographical restriction on which school you can apply, although spaces are usually given priority to those who live within their own district.
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But current events indicate that that way of thinking does work out well.
You clearly and your mother clearly holds the children and parents in contempt.
I honestly don't know how you got that from reading the grandparent post. What he's saying about the low-income schools reflects large bodies of research (parental involvement in education is one of the largest determining factors in academic success). That's not regarding the students or parents with contempt, it's wanting what's best for the students and realising that it requires parental support.
The private schools understand that in their bones. They know that they either deliver a top quality education that meets the standards of the parents or they're out a customer.
Complete bullshit. The big difference between private and public schools is that private schools are allowed to turn away anyone that they want and they usually have more applicants than they have room for. I went to a public school in the UK (which is roughly equivalent to a private school in the US) and they periodically expelled people (or, rather, asked them to voluntarily leave so that they didn't have the expulsion on their record). My mother worked in a state school (the equivalent of a public school in the US) and the biggest sanction that they had was a week's suspension, which the pupil treated as a week-long holiday and then the school was required to take them back (at which point they'd be a week behind). Permanent expulsion was possible in theory, but it never happened.
Private schools make it clear to pupils that it's a privilege to be there. If the parents complain or if the students are disruptive, then the parents will be invited to have a chat with the headmaster, who will politely suggest to them that their child might be happier in a different school. They'll have no problem filling the space. They usually have waiting lists and so if they need to then they'll start calling people further down and ask if they're still interested in the place. If not, then they'll just wait for the end of the academic year and let in more people.
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