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Lenovo CEO Shares $3 Million Bonus With Workers

hackingbear writes "Yang Yuanqing, founder and CEO of Chinese PC maker Lenovo, will share $3.25 million from his bonus with some 10,000 staff in China and 19 other countries. 'Most are hourly manufacturing workers,' Lenovo spokeswoman Angela Lee said. 'As you can imagine, an extra $300 in a manufacturing environment in China does make an impact, especially to employees supporting families.' In its annual review last year, Lenovo raised Yang's base pay to $1.2 million and awarded him a $4.2 million discretionary bonus and a $8.9 million long-term incentive award. Yang owns 7.12% of Lenovo's shares, equivalent to about $720 million in stock."

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  1. Not the first time by Pinhedd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I believe that he did this last year as well.

    Good on him, especially considering that Lenovo has been quite successful recently in a contracting PC market

    1. Re:Not the first time by Dahamma · · Score: 2

      It's *definitely* better than nothing, but as the founder, CEO, and largest shareholder couldn't he just *pay* his factory employees better wages instead of turning it into a personal PR statement?

    2. Re:Not the first time by Jeremi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's *definitely* better than nothing, but as the founder, CEO, and largest shareholder couldn't he just *pay* his factory employees better wages instead of turning it into a personal PR statement?

      He could, but then if business started to get tight, he'd probably have to lay people off and/or cut wages; neither of which is particularly pleasant for people who were counting on money that it turns out they won't get.

      By giving employees an unexpected bonus instead, he looks like a good guy while at the same time avoiding potential ill will in the future.

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    3. Re:Not the first time by Dahamma · · Score: 2

      Except if "business" truly started to get tight they'd have to lay people off in the future anyway - $3M would be peanuts in a significant downturn for a company Lenovo's size.

      Or better yet - give the employees their own bonuses. That way they know in advance they are guaranteed extra money if they do their job well instead of relying on the benevolence of their bosses. Like you said, it's his opportunity to look like a good guy. And from the limited info we have, he probably is a good guy. But he clearly wants people to know that...

    4. Re:Not the first time by Karlt1 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Let's see foxcom do that. Perhaps there will be fewer suicides while making apple things.

      A list of Foxconn's customers

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn

      Acer Inc. (Taiwan)[39]
      Amazon.com (United States)[7]
      Apple Inc. (United States)[40]
      Cisco (United States)[41]
      Dell (United States)[42]
      Google (United States)[43]
      Hewlett-Packard (United States)[44]
      Microsoft (United States)[45]
      Motorola Mobility (United States)[42]
      Nintendo (Japan)[46]
      Nokia (Finland)[40][47]
      Sony (Japan)[8]
      Toshiba (Japan) [48]
      Vizio (United States)[49]

    5. Re:Not the first time by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Only so long as the bonuses keep flowing. Once you've paid the Danegeld... stopping isn't so easy.

      Okay, did you just seriously compare a CEO giving his employees bonuses with paying protection money to a hostile foreign power?

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    6. Re:Not the first time by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That sound you heard was my point going over your head. You win at knowing facts, you fail utterly at allusion.

      Or maybe it was just a really lousy allusion.

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    7. Re:Not the first time by Andtalath · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or the point was that it's silly to single out Apple.

  2. Re:Philantropy by hawguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's easy to be a philanthropist when you're rich. Just sayin'

    Its also easy to not share your wealth with your workers.

  3. Let't reward this! by FrankHS · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Thanks for the info. I will make it a point to buy / recommend Leveno products. I want to reward this behavior.

    1. Re:Let't reward this! by Yvanhoe · · Score: 3, Informative

      To put things in perspective :
      Lenovo 2012 profits : $472 millions
      Yang's share of that : $33 millions
      Lenovo's employees : 27 000
      Lenovo profit per employee : $17,481
      What Yang offers them : $300

      I am not sure I want to reward that.

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    2. Re:Let't reward this! by TwentyCharsIsNotEnou · · Score: 2

      To put things in perspective :
      Lenovo 2012 profits : $472 millions
      Yang's share of that : $33 millions
      Lenovo's employees : 27 000
      Lenovo profit per employee : $17,481
      Yang profit per employee : $1,222
      What Yang offers them : $300

      I added in what you left out.
      Were you purposely being disingenuous?

  4. A little goes a long way for productivity by assemblerex · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The workers feel appreciated and will be diligent.

    You don't happen upon good employee morale and company stewardship.

    It has to be grown. Quality and waste will decrease. When employees feel zero empathy for the company or it's future, a fall is sure to follow.

    1. Re:A little goes a long way for productivity by GrumpySteen · · Score: 2

      Have you ever met a McDonald's employee with empathy for the company and it's future? Of course not. It's a shitty part-time job.

      And yet that didn't stop the company from making over $5.5 billion last year. But I'm sure they'll fail real soon now, right?

    2. Re:A little goes a long way for productivity by 0111+1110 · · Score: 2

      One reason for that is McDonalds doesn't give a shit about their shitty product. The company itself has no pride. How can you expect individual employees to care? Profit sharing plans won't help when no one at the company cares about the quality of the product they make.I don't see the existence of companies which we all would be better off without as a failure of capitalism, but as a failure of humanity as a species. Unfortunately greedy, unprincipled members of our species will probably always exist. It would be nice if a better species overtook us just as we overtook Neanderthals. Perhaps one day sentient machines will do exactly that. If/when we reach the singularity none of this will matter.

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  5. Re:Philantropy by multiben · · Score: 2

    I'm betting that if he had sent the company into a tail spin and taken a $3billion parachute you'd be on here commenting about what a dick the guy was. Can he do anything to please you, or are you a serial whiner?

  6. Re:return what you don't deserve... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In before 1000 Libertarians explaining that nobody works unless they're paid money, because nothing is important except accumulation of material tat.

    Libertarian here. His stock is worth $720M, and he only gave away 0.5% of that. If his generosity boosts morale enough to generate just 1% more profit, then he has doubled the money. He is publicizing this gift, so the workers are aware of the source, rather than giving anonymously, so he is at least partly motivated by greed. This looks like a smart investment.

  7. Please notice the per employee amount. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    $3,250,000 / 10,000 = $325 per employee.

    Keep that math in your brain for the next "Overpaid CEO" argument.

    1. Re:Please notice the per employee amount. by ATMAvatar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm not quite sure what your point is. If you gave away $325 to individuals, how many people would you be able to be able to reach? Keep in mind that the $3m is less than one fourth his compensation this year.

      That isn't to stray from the point that giving away personal benefits to his workers is something to encourage, no matter what the motivation was.

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    2. Re:Please notice the per employee amount. by CastrTroy · · Score: 2

      Exactly. This kind of thing always bothers me. Even if you cut the CEOs salary in half, you aren't going to get much extra money in the hands of the employees. There's only one CEO, and thousands, or tens of thousands of employees. And extra $12.50 minus taxes on your paycheck (assuming paid every 2 weeks, 325/26) isn't even going to be noticed by the employees. I find the same thing about people complaining about how much senators or congress people are paid. The way I see it, the less they are paid, the more likely they will have to find other sources of money (corporate donations) and the less likely they will give the actual voters what they are asking for. There aren't that many of them, even if you paid them zero, very few tax dollars would actually be saved. Much more money gets wasted on less important things than a few people's salaries.

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    3. Re:Please notice the per employee amount. by allcoolnameswheretak · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Implying that a 3,25 million bonus isn't all that much because it would 'only' mean an extra $325 if distributed among employees can really only be the opinion of entitled, rich assholes who never have had to struggle at the end of the month. 8 years ago during my student years an extra 30 bucks a month would have meant the world to me. In Europe. And we are talking about mostly Chinese families here.
      TEN THOUSAND OF THEM.

    4. Re:Please notice the per employee amount. by Twanfox · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have a different take on this matter. What exactly does a CEO do that provides so much more value to a company than an engineering team or assembly line laboring away at designing products? Sure, a CEO has a place and can be very instrumental in the effectiveness of the company, but then so too can a brilliant engineer or a factory foreman that can design the next Big Thing or improve efficiency because they know their work that well? Where are the brilliant engineers making CEO pay? Or the factory foremen? And don't think for a second that a CEO is so unique as to be irreplaceable. When a CEO is replaced, shockingly a company keeps running unless he is so bad as to drive the company into the ground. Being unable to attract good talented engineers or having your assembly line strike because of bad treatment can cripple a company just as badly as a bad CEO.

      So, the lesson I'd like to give is that every level of a company, be it designers or sales or factory or CEO, has a place in a corporate team and no one entity is less crucial than the other. The only problem is that the CEO disproportionately earns that much more than everyone else. It is about time that the people that labor to make the products or to do the work, that serve as the face of the company moreso than the CEO does, share in the fruit of their efforts.

    5. Re:Please notice the per employee amount. by Solandri · · Score: 3, Interesting

      His point is that despite all the doom and gloom stories about excess CEO pay, the amount of money the CEOs are making compared to the entire economy is peanuts. Here's a commonly cited paper" on CEO pay in the U.S. The average CEO here makes 273x more than the typical worker, with an average compensation of $14.1 million/yr. The horror!

      But if you read the fine print, you see that it only looked at the top 350 companies. If we were to cut these CEOs down to size and confiscated all the money they made last year and redistributed it to the 145 million workers in the U.S., each worker would end up getting ($14.1 million)*(350 CEOs)/(145 million workers) = $34 each. If you divide it by the number of workers in the Fortune 500 (24 million), it's $205 each.

      The authors of the paper came up with the methodology for tracking trends in CEO pay over the years. Unfortunately it's been hijacked and misreported to fit the narrative that CEOs in general are siphoning off substantial amounts of money our economy is generating, and if it were fixed everything would be much better. That simply isn't the case. While the top CEOs may make enough money to afford themselves a lavish lifestyle, in terms of the overall economic output of their companies it's peanuts.

      If you want a better, broader measure of income inequality, you should be looking at things like Gini coefficient. But "Income inequality 50% worse in U.S. than other Western countries" isn't as great a headline as "CEOs make 273x more than their workers."

    6. Re:Please notice the per employee amount. by godrik · · Score: 3, Interesting

      As someone that often comments on overpaid CEOs, I feel like I need to reply to this. There are many aspect to it and many different cases.

      First of all, his salary (what ever you call it it is a salary) is not $3 million. It is $1.2M+$4.2M+$8.2M. That's actually more than 13 million dollar a year. I won't even talk about stock, because arguably it is not salary. (But let's be honnest, at these positions abusing stock options is not really difficult. Also you have a pretty good picture of where to invest.) He shared 20% of his salary. He could share twice that and still not really see a difference.

      Now, putting it in context. The GDP per capita in China is $6,000 a year. So when he gave them $300 which is claimed to be nothing by GP but he actually increased their salary by 5%. If I received 5% more salary, I'd be quite happy. (Remember he could share twice that.)

      Now, the CEO is paid that. But he is likley not the only executive paid a ridiculous amount each year. (Because the guy lives 50% of its time in China, see what you do for a million dollars a year in china?) There are other executives which could lose 20% of their salary without wondering how to heal their son's broken arm at the end of the month. It is difficult to know how many there are, but you probably can scrap another $3 million.

      Then there is the fact that when the guy leave or get fired or whatever, he will get a leaving bonus of again millions of dollars. Often it is a bonus for the guy that screws up. So even if the guy does crap and screw up and get fired after a single year, he will still get more money than you and me in 10 years. And more money than 10 of these chinese worker in a lifetime.

      Then I am not convinced that whatever the CEO does (I don't know this one in particular) is actually worth the salary they are paid. I understand you need a guy with the ultimate decision on everything. But that's pretty much the only thing he does. Because all the strategic informations and negotiation of contract is not done by him alone, but by an army of analyst, lawyers and tacticians. On top of that, he is pretty much liable for nothing.

      He can get the money, I understand he takes it. But don't tell me you feel like it is fair.

    7. Re:Please notice the per employee amount. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That would be correct, if the CEO was the only person that was over paid in each company.

      The income inequality that you speak of comes from the top ~5% being over paid and there may be a another 10% that are paid a reasonable sum, so you take the top 1-5% and split it among the bottom 85% and it would be a lot more than $300 per person. I looked into this type thing in the past and it ends up being closer to $500/month per employee if you cut the top tier execs pay in half and redistribute.

  8. Re:return what you don't deserve... by real-modo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If this is all about return on investment, why don't all CEs of multinationals do this?

    Are they all that dumb? Are you saying they should all be sacked?

  9. Re:return what you don't deserve... by Joining+Yet+Again · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The 23rd curse of the Libertarian is to reduce everything to some meaningless effiiciency calculation which ignores any inconvenient factors. It's the kind of thing you do as a dorky 15 year old (or college freshman if you're remedial), but mostttttt people grow out of by college.

  10. Re:Philantropy by wisnoskij · · Score: 5, Funny

    Actually all the empirical evidence seems to point to it being harder.

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  11. Re:return what you don't deserve... by fredprado · · Score: 2

    Not rare at all. Most outcomes in a free market fit this description.

  12. Re:return what you don't deserve... by black3d · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Clicked on comments to come and see all the folks who'd make negative comments about him for this. You, among others, didn't disappoint.

    There is no indication he's motivated by greed whatsoever, and it's either ignorant or wilfully destructive to cast such aspersions without some concrete evidence.

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  13. Re:Philantropy by erroneus · · Score: 5, Informative

    Not as easy as you think. First you have to get over yourself. That's HUGE when you're rich because you tend to think you're better than those below you and your status and ability to rise to your level convinces you of it. So, no it's not as easy as you think. In reality, it's easy to imagine being generous when you don't have much to give.

  14. Re:Philantropy by bitt3n · · Score: 4, Funny

    Just sayin'

    Say or say not. There is no just.

  15. Psychology by zmooc · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This guy is the CEO. He could just as well have Lenovo give this bonus directly to its employees, which it will probably (have to) do anyway. Instead he's trying to make himself look good. Might be worth the trouble; the (apparently) kinder the CEO, the more loyal the employees. But this is not an act of charity; it's just a normal bonus with a well thought-out psychological plan behind it.

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  16. What is he a communist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    He's giving part of his bonus to be distributed to his workers? That's the path to socialism!

  17. Re:return what you don't deserve... by 0111+1110 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm a Libertarian who thinks corporations should be outlawed in current societies and denied any form of special privileges like limited liability or any form of personhood in a utopian free society. What were you saying again about grossly overpaid CEOs? I agree that they are grossly overpaid. I suspect that most of them could be replaced with someone who makes less than 100k per year no problem.

    Even if the company made a little bit less money it would be good for the morale of everyone else if one person were not so ridiculously overpaid.

    I think you have to be blind to not see that a corporation represents an unhealthy concentration of power in the hands of a few. Power corrupts. Also the behavior of a corporation is indistinguishable from that of an individual sociopath. The last thing we need is more sociopaths in our or any society. We certainly should not be encouraging them as we do now.

    Companies, as in groups of individuals working toward a common goal, which should not be to make a pile of money in any way they can, but to produce a product or service they can be proud of, while hopefully at the same time earning enough to live comfortably, are themselves necessary evils because when they grow large they grow powerful even without limited liability or legal personhood, but there is simply no alternative that actually works. Human beings have to work together in groups to produce useful things. Government owned corporations are no better than privately owned ones. In fact they are usually worse.

    You know what else is a necessary evil? Governments. That's why we Libertarians like to keep them as small as possible. In general I'd also like to keep companies as small as possible, but large companies also have advantages in terms of more affordable goods and services for poor people. Human beings simply don't behave as well in groups, especially in large groups, but I don't think artificially limiting their size makes sense in the way it does for governments. The economic advantages for the poorest members of society are simply too great. Nevertheless I think it would have great non-monetary benefits on society as a whole if all companies or organized groups of any kind were limited to no more than 100 people.

    Are you sure you weren't thinking of a Republican. Some of you pro-government types get us confused so easily but we actually have very little in common. Some very minor common ground in economic theory with a small minority of them, probably the ones who call themselves tea partiers, and that's all.

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  18. don't care if he's got ulterior motives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    It's an act of generosity which he didn't have to do, for a company that puts out a laptop where Linux runs great. Lenovo was already probably going to get my next purchase based on how well Linux is running on this laptop (T61 purchased used FWIW), and this only makes it easier.

  19. Re:Philantropy by citizenr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No its not, you dont get rich by sharing to begin with.

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  20. Re:Philantropy by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In reality, it's easy to imagine being generous when you don't have much to give.

    Bingo. Being rich insulates you from understanding hardship, the most generous people are generally the ones who can least afford it because they experience some level of poverty on a daily basis.

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  21. Re:return what you don't deserve... by Jiro · · Score: 2

    The reason folks are making negative comments is at least partly that it's an accounting trick. If the company had directly given the workers $300 bonuses, it would have been the same as if the CEO had been given millions of dollars and he then divided it up among the employees as $300 bonuses. But it wouldn't have made the news.

  22. I beg to differ. Most of my money is from being by raymorris · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There are a few really good reasons not to do business with me, but I've always had as many clients as I can handle. Most of my money (over a million dollars) has come from people who choose to do business with me BECAUSE of what kind of person I am.

    When they see me being generous with my time and money, they know I'm the type of person they want to do a deal with.

    Secondly, without a generous and grateful spirit, you can have $200 million and not be nearly as rich as someone with a spirit of gratitude and generosity who earns 1/10th as much.

    Sure, it's POSSIBLE to get a lot of money by being obsessed with money. Some people do that. It's EASIER to get rich by being of service, solving people's problems. Who would you rather buy from, someone who is obsessed with getting your money, or the other guy who is trying to help you solve your problem? If you were really good at what you do, which of those people would you choose to work for?

    You don't get rich spending money FOOLISHLY. Every rich person I know is generous, applying the same wisdom to their giving that they apply to their business. (Disclaimer - generous people are over represented in the list of people I know because I don't hang out with, or do business with, scumbags.)

  23. Re:return what you don't deserve... by Type44Q · · Score: 2

    It's the kind of thing you do as a dorky 15 year old (or college freshman if you're remedial)...

    ...or as a successful CEO. Sorry, I know you didn't want that pointed out but it needed to be said.

  24. Re:Philantropy by Ixokai · · Score: 2

    You sure about that? Huawei's status as an employee-owned company that it calls a "collective" is dubious; in theory it is owned by its employees, but its management structure is opaque and it is only rather recently that they even admitted who their board of directors were -- and its totally unclear how much real ability the employees have to accomplish anything.

    The CEO of Huawei, the guy who founded it, is hugely secretive and has strong ties to the Communist Party. As do most of the other known bosses. Its politically useful (especially at the time it was founded) for the Party and the Chinese to think of Huawei as a collective, even though there's no real evidence its anything but. Doing so has allowed the state to support Huawei in circumstances it normally wouldn't be inclined to do politically.

    Now, I don't buy into the Huawei conspiracy theories, but c'mon.... you're reading too much into "employee-owned".

  25. Ob Simpsons Quote by Greyfox · · Score: 2

    Actually forget if it's Simpsons or Futurama but "It's the amount of money our scientists have calculated that poor people think is a lot of money!"

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  26. Re:return what you don't deserve... by 0111+1110 · · Score: 2

    I'm guessing that you are a Republican. Am I right? You clearly do not have the first clue about what Libertarianism actually is. First you have to learn to think in terms of principles. Then learn what 'voluntarism' means. Then note that Libertarianism is not about class warfare. Corporations behave like sociopaths. That sort of behavior is not good for society. The government helps and encourages them in this with the special privileges it grants them. The thing I hate most about Republicans is their anti-intellectualism and their militant pragmatism. Ideas are important. This country was founded on them.

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  27. Re:Philantropy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Note to Americans: this is a textbook example of socialism (workers own the means of production), not what you think socialism is.

  28. Re:return what you don't deserve... by dywolf · · Score: 2

    thats nice that you barely notice 300$ extra dollars.
    I'm happy that you are so successful.

    but $300 is a pretty big bonus for most people.
    300$ is a couple months of credit card payments.
    a car payment.
    a couple months of gas in the car.
    or something nice for the wife.

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  29. Re:return what you don't deserve... by dywolf · · Score: 2

    dont ignore the time difference.
    the time difference is significant, as is the perception difference between lump sum and spread out.

    an extra 8$ a week isnt much, your right. most people wouldnt notice it unless they already are financially smart enough to toss any extras like that into their savings (on top of their existing saving contributions). but most dont. and waiting a year for that extra to add up to something (300) decreases its worth substantially.

    but if you give it to em lump sum instead of spread out, all sudden it has real immediate worth.

    compare paying an extra 300$ on credit now, to paying an extra 300$ in a year. the credit interest alone after a year is probably (way) more than $300.

    the time factor matters.

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  30. Re:Philantropy by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 3, Informative

    Mitt Romney gave $4 million to charity in one year - 1/3rd of his income.

    Giving money to your own social clubs like the mormon church and its affiliates like Brigham Young University, or the George W Bush Library, or the private school where 5 of his kids attended isn't charity, it's tax-deductible self-interest. Naked quid pro quo.

    Before I posted I went and read up on his tax returns, just to make sure that my assumption of self-interest was true. That he hadn't made a liar out of me and my cynicism by really giving the bulk of his donations to organizations that would not benefit himself in one way or another. In the process I found out some interesting "character" related points:

    1) His 2010 tax return showed only 11% of his income went to non-profit deductions. The mormon church directly gets 10% straight off the bat as tithing, leaving 1% for everything else. In fact, his own 20-year summary shows he averaged less than 12.6% until the 30% spike in 2011 brought the average up to just under 13.5%. Why such an outlier in 2011 when he had roughly half the income that he did in 2010? Seems to me that once he won the party primary his donations went up.

    2) In 2011 he did not claim the maximum allowed tax deductions for his donations. He only claimed a deduction for $2.25 of the $4 million that was eligible. Why would he do that? Well, the guy who runs Romney's family trust said it helped to keep his campaign promise of paying at least 13% in income tax every year. Here's my question, now that he lost the election, did he go back and file an amended return to claim the entire $4M? We will probably never know, maybe a real man of character would not. A real republican would be happy to over-pay his taxes without a complaint, right?

    My source for those two points is this article at The Blaze - I figured I'd go with a conservative news source to give Romney the benefit of the doubt in the reporting.

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