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Intel Launches Core I7-4960X Flagship CPU

MojoKid writes "Low-power parts for hand-held devices may be all the rage right now, but today Intel is taking the wraps off a new high-end desktop processor with the official unveiling of its Ivy Bridge-E microarchitecture. The Core i7-4960X Extreme Edition processor is the flagship product in Intel's initial line-up of Ivy Bridge-E based CPUs. The chip is manufactured using Intel's 22nm process node and features roughly 1.86 billion transistors, with a die size of approximately 257mm square. That's about 410 million fewer transistors and a 41 percent smaller die than Intel's previous gen Sandy Bridge-E CPU. The Ivy Bridge-E microarchitecture features up to 6 active execution cores that can each process two threads simultaneously, for support of a total of 12 threads, and they're designed for Intel's LGA 2011 socket. Intel's Core i7-4960X Extreme Edition processor has a base clock frequency of 3.6GHz with a maximum Turbo frequency of 4GHz. It is easily the fastest desktop processor Intel has released to date when tasked with highly-threaded workloads or when its massive amount of cache comes into play in applications like 3D rendering, ray tracing, and gaming. However, assuming similar clock speeds, Intel's newer Haswell microarchitecture employed in the recently released Core i7-4770K (and other 4th Gen Core processors) offers somewhat better single-core performance."

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  1. Die size? by msauve · · Score: 5, Informative

    "a die size of approximately 257mm square."

    I suspect that should be 257 square mm. A 257 mm square die couldn't even be covered by a standard sheet of paper (US:letter, EU:A4)

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    1. Re:Die size? by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 2

      TFA says "15 mm x 17.1 mm"

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    2. Re:Die size? by WarJolt · · Score: 2

      But I wanted one the size of a paper. It makes it easier to reverse engineer.

    3. Re:Die size? by glassware · · Score: 2

      Skip the die size. What's the SPECint and SPECfp? Do processor makers submit these numbers anymore?

      Any other metrics are secondary.

    4. Re:Die size? by unixisc · · Score: 2

      I believe that those numbers went away when RISC went away

  2. Power consumption by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

    Low-power parts for hand-held devices may be all the rage right now, but today Intel is taking the wraps off a new high-end desktop processor

    Actually, I think that useful computation per joule is all the rage all over the device size scale. See? This one works everywhere.

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    1. Re:Power consumption by slashmydots · · Score: 2

      That's not necessarily true. Someone running a photo editing app on their Galaxy and saying it's slower than their PC is one thing but that's wrong on so many levels. My not-so-smart phone runs Brew and the 1000mAH battery has a realistic idle time rating of 27 days and screen-off talk time of something like 16 hours. If someone basically wants a 4 ounce laptop with a 4" screen that runs for 48 hours, they're dreaming. More reasonable people just want an absurd battery life and realize that a phone can't process like a computer so everything will be a bit slow.

      So instead of performance per joule, it's really more like how quickly can it underclock and to how low of a TDP.

    2. Re:Power consumption by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Informative

      You're basically reiterating what I've said. The more you can compute with a fixed amount of energy, the less energy you consume for a fixed amount of computation.

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  3. Boring on the Desktop Great in Servers by CajunArson · · Score: 3, Informative

    These chips are slightly faster (given equal core counts) than their predecessors but not in any interesting way.

      However, you have to remember that these are really server chips that are repurposed for high-end desktop use. The one vital metric where these chips shine is in their power consumption (or lack thereof): Techreport did a test where the 6-core 4960X running full-bore is using about the same amount of power as a desktop A10-6800K part ( http://techreport.com/review/25293/intel-core-i7-4960x-processor-reviewed/9 )

    That level of power efficiency will do wonders in the server world and these chips (and their 12-core bigger brothers) should do quite well in servers.

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    1. Re:Boring on the Desktop Great in Servers by JDG1980 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Intel segments the desktop and server market with ECC functionality. Xeons support ECC, everything else does *not*. So unless this new chip supports ECC, you're off your rocker thinking this is a repurposed server chip.

      The same die is used for both chips; it's just that the ECC functionality is fused off in the non-Xeon parts binned for desktop use.

      By the way, it's not strictly true that Xeons are the only Intel parts that support ECC. Ivy Bridge Celerons and Pentiums have this feature as well (if you use a compatible server motherboard). It was fused off on the mainstream desktop quad core parts because they wanted people to buy Xeon E3's instead.

    2. Re:Boring on the Desktop Great in Servers by petermgreen · · Score: 2

      AIUI Intel takes a handful of basic designs and cripples them in different ways to produce a wide variety of products which they then sell at different price points depending on what they think customers will be willing to pay.

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    3. Re:Boring on the Desktop Great in Servers by interval1066 · · Score: 2

      ...which is what you do to run any successful business. The hothardware article is a pretty sweet read if any kind of a hardware geek, btw.

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    4. Re:Boring on the Desktop Great in Servers by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      That level of power efficiency will do wonders in the server world and these chips (and their 12-core bigger brothers) should do quite well in servers.

      And later this year, when Atom goes to 22nm, it may also do quite well in mobile phones, given they've already developed a quality ARM emulator.

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  4. Another marginal perf iteration of Core by JoeyRox · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's laughable how small the performance gains are between recent generations of Core processors. I realize there are other improvements like power consumption and integrated GPU performance but the desktop gamer isn't going to drop another grand to save watts or get better performance on an IGPU he never will use anyway.

    1. Re:Another marginal perf iteration of Core by gweihir · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There are two reasons:
      1) AMD is really behind after they reworked their architecture, hence no pressure on Intel.
      2) Moore's Law has ended some time ago on a per-core basis and nobody noticed.

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    2. Re:Another marginal perf iteration of Core by JoeyRox · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sure, I'll tell you again. Even though the power consumption drops for each new process shrink the heat drop isn't commensurate because the transistors are packed more tightly together. Do a search online about how poorly Ivy Bridge OC's vs Sandy Bridge on a relative CPU frequency basis.

    3. Re:Another marginal perf iteration of Core by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

      You don't know desktop gamers very well.

      The better per-thread performance of the competing Haswell part may keep them away, though(unless the increased cache makes up for it). Games make better use of additional cores than they used to; but they still don't tend to go as far in that direction as server or some workstation loads.

      Some people are going to buy it just because it's the flagship, of course; but better performance on highly threaded tasks won't necessarily save it among gamers. (Especially if Intel prices it so as to discourage people who might otherwise buy Xeon-based workstations from buying this part instead).

    4. Re:Another marginal perf iteration of Core by DigiShaman · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, that has to do with the fact Ivys CPU packaging uses thermal interface material between the die and heat spreader whereas Sandys have them spreaders soldered to the die. Stupid mistake on Intel's behalf if you ask me!

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    5. Re:Another marginal perf iteration of Core by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      "screw power" and either run the chip faster and invest a thousand dollars for a cooling system "
      Water cooling systems are a LOT cheaper than that. Look at what overclockers are using today you can get a good watercooling system to suck out a LOT of that heat for less than a couple hundred bucks.

      Problem is that most guys undersize the heat dump radiator.

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    6. Re:Another marginal perf iteration of Core by slashmydots · · Score: 2

      Everyone says AMD is behind but that's based on a ridiculous comparison. Just do the #1 most important benchmark, speed vs price, and AMD is winning. Yeah, power vs performance comes into play but at least in bang for your buck, they're crushing Intel. It's just like Roundy's with food. If you're almost as good, just price it lower to compensate and everyone will buy your product instead. If Intel wanted to put AMD in some real trouble, they wouldn't have kept the i3-2100 at the same price for 2 years straight.

    7. Re:Another marginal perf iteration of Core by UnknowingFool · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hush! To Adobe's Flash unit, that might sound like a challenge.

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    8. Re:Another marginal perf iteration of Core by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's laughable how small the performance gains are between recent generations of Core processors. I realize there are other improvements like power consumption and integrated GPU performance but the desktop gamer isn't going to drop another grand to save watts or get better performance on an IGPU he never will use anyway.

      The only thing that's laughable, is that the desktop gamer thinks everything is about him and that his concerns add up to even 1% of the market.

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    9. Re: Another marginal perf iteration of Core by dywolf · · Score: 3, Funny

      i still dont understand their numbering system. it seems designed to generate the most confusion possible as to what is where in the hierarchy.
      its got a higher number...
      oh wait but its an older name...
      no wait, it's got an -E...
      but the box is Blue...
      with an Eagle...
      but its wings are folded...

      Blah.

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    10. Re:Another marginal perf iteration of Core by wagnerrp · · Score: 2

      The problem is that people forget (nearly) all water cooling systems are really just fancy air cooling systems. They're just trading phase change heatpipes for pumped water, expecting something magical is going to happen and amazing low temperatures! Unless you add a larger radiator than you could otherwise fit on top of your CPU, all you get is a modest improvement in airflow efficiency, as you prevent hot air from recirculating back through the heatsink. Well designed cases minimize that issue with air cooling anyway.

  5. And still ineffective... by Lumpy · · Score: 2

    Because the only Multi Chip processors are still 4 years behind this. Why dont they just enable the ability for me to drop 4 of these on a single motherboard so I can have my 24 core monster for editing and rendering 4K video?

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  6. Re:wrong wrong wrong by razvan784 · · Score: 2

    I don't think you understand correctly how a superscalar processor works. Maybe you're confusing parallel instruction execution with pipelining? Even single-core, non-hyperthreading processors have been able to execute multiple instructions *simultaneously, in a single cycle* since the first Pentiums or earlier. See, they can fetch two instructions at once from the cache because it has a wide internal bus, decode them simultaneously, and execute them simultaneously (if they are independent) because each core has multiple execution units. Modern processors can easily execute 3 or 4 instructions at once on a single core, in a single cycle. As I understand it, hyperthreading comes in when part of those execution units are sitting idle because there are not enough instructions in the main thread that can be executed in parallel - they're not independent, some depend on the results of others - and so those idle units are used to process another thread. Of course it's slower than having two full cores, but the point is that a single core CAN execute a lot of stuff in parallel.

  7. TPM no more by stanlyb · · Score: 2

    Since their devotion to TPM, my answer to intel was, is and will be: GO F**** yourself.

  8. Lowest performance per price by Reliable+Windmill · · Score: 2

    This CPU very low, if not the lowest performance per price of current models, so in one category it is the worst possible buy you can make; it is incredibly over-priced.

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  9. Re:wrong wrong wrong by MrFlibbs · · Score: 4, Informative

    Amazing. Everything you said about HT is completely wrong. Where ever did you get this information?

    Intel's hyperthreading consists of two logical processors sharing the same compute resources. Each logical processor has its own register set but shares decoders, adders, shifters, cache, etc. as it goes about executing its assigned thread. The sharing process is vastly more complex and efficient than you seem to think -- there's no alternating of cycles. Once instructions are decoded into uops, they flow through the pipeline in a dynamic fashion that sometimes leads to one thread using most of the resources while the other one waits. In fact, this is a big advantage of the design -- when one thread stalls from a cache miss, the other one uses all the resources until the first thread's memory access completes. A much better plan than your scheme of using only even/odd cycles.

    Managing this process is not simple, and steps must be taken to avoid both deadlocks and livelocks as the two threads compete for resources. But the process is dynamic -- the design allows one thread to run unimpeded when it makes sense to do so, while still preventing one thread from being starved at the other's expense. But this "every other cycle" notion of yours is pure nonsense. The core can retire up to four uops per cycle, and at times these all come from the same thread.

  10. Re:2CPU.COM by DarthVain · · Score: 2

    I was about to mention that all of the things you talk about are more memory intensive than anything else, which of course is OS dependent, requiring 64-bit, which in addition to hardly anyone bothering to run multi-threaded software, no one bothers to write software optimized for 64bit systems either.

    The main problem being is that relatively speaking single thread 32bit applications are what people are used to making is simple compared to writing a multi-threaded 64bit optimized application. Unless there is a real advantage why do it, if it will take longer, cost more money, etc... I agree it will eventually happen, just not as soon as you may be alluding to.

    The next step really needs some method/tool/language to make the process easier for the developers to write the software, allowing them to do it more efficiently, which will in turn start to get management on board to create some of these things.

    *Note: I have no experience whatsoever writing multi-threaded 64bit optimized software. I have only heard on the interwebs that its inherent complexity make it more difficult to do.

    Also there is the 32bit crutch. Lots of apps out there that are 32bit so it is not going away anytime soon, not like a clean break. While it is still an available option developers will use it. That said, I am not even sure how much difference there is, some benchmarks show very little improvement from one to the other, but that could be a mature technology VS a new one and not a fair comparison.

    That said using more available cores, particularly for specific tasks would likely see immediate dividends. From my understanding it is a timing/scheduling and organizational issues that make it more complex.

    OK I may have rambled a bit.

  11. Re:Does it support TSX? by Blaskowicz · · Score: 2

    It safe to say it does not, as TSX is a Haswell feature and 4960X is an Ivy Bridge CPU.
    What you would need is the 4960X's successor, which is Haswell-E on a new socket called LGA 2011-3 with ddr4, and its server counterparts. Or get a vanilla 4770 or 4771.