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New Giant Volcano Below Sea Is Largest In the World

An anonymous reader writes "If you're a fan of gigantic volcanoes you'll be happy to know that the biggest volcano on Earth, and one of the biggest in the solar system, has just been discovered under the Pacific Ocean, about 1,000 miles east of Japan. From the article: 'Called Tamu Massif, the giant shield volcano had been thought to be a composite of smaller structures, but now scientists say they must rethink long-held beliefs about marine geology. "This finding goes against what we thought, because we found that it's one huge volcano," said William Sager, a geology professor at the University of Houston in Texas. Sager is lead author in a study about the find that was published this week in the peer-reviewed journal Nature Geoscience. "It is in the same league as Olympus Mons on Mars, which had been considered to be the largest volcano in the solar system," Sager told National Geographic.'"

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  1. Yep by ls671 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Yep, there is bunch of stuff that is hiding under water in the sea that we haven't discovered yet.

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    1. Re:Yep by sFurbo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      There is, but this is not a case of that: The massif was known, the new part is that it is not multiple volcanoes, but one.

    2. Re:Yep by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They didn't "redefine" it, they studied it until they understood it better. If you go to the doctor, are you upset because you get a diagnosis of a specific bacterial infection and a prescription for antibiotics instead of a diagnosis of "fever" and a bleeding to restore the balance of your bodily humors?

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    3. Re:Yep by GarethIwanFairclough · · Score: 1

      I wonder when the evil genius of the week is moving in down there?

    4. Re:Yep by mrsquid0 · · Score: 1

      Some of it dark and terrible...

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    5. Re:Yep by AJH16 · · Score: 1

      But then the evil pharmaceutical companies wouldn't be getting rich off our tax dollars...!! /sarcasm

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    6. Re:Yep by mrego · · Score: 1

      Does this look like the map of Middle Earth?

    7. Re:Yep by ackthpt · · Score: 1

      I wonder when the evil genius of the week is moving in down there?

      Ahem. This is where Godzilla lives.

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    8. Re:Yep by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 1

      Ah, well, yes, there is that.

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    9. Re:Yep by Agent0013 · · Score: 1

      Hey, our planet is one giant volcano! It has lava inside it and it spews out from different cracks and holes from time to time. See, it's easy to one-up the last guy. Now let's see anyone one-up me.

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  2. In the solar system? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sorry if this may seem ignorant, but how can we be sure it might be the biggest volcano in the solar system if we only just discovered this one on *our* planet?

    1. Re:In the solar system? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      It didn't say it was the biggest volcano in the solar system, but one of the biggest. The biggest known one is Alba Mons on Mars, which is a staggering 5.7 million square kilometres in size. Olympus Mons, also on Mars, is in the range of 300,000 square kilometres, so is the Tamu Massif on Earth, so these two volcanoes compete for the #2 spot. Only other places besides Earth and Mars that have or ever had active volcanoes are Venus and Io. Venus's largest (Maat Mons) is less than half the size of Olympus Mons/Tamu Massif, and Io's largest (Inachus Tholus) is only a tenth that.

    2. Re:In the solar system? by nedlohs · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You can safely assume a "that we know of" clause on every scientific statement ever made. Scientists don't bother actually stating it because it would get rather repetitive and unreadable, plus it's not the only such assumed qualification and including them all would make science papers and books about 20x longer.

      And of course the claim you state was never made anyway since we already know of bigger volcanoes. Which is an example of these implied qualifications: the Mars volcanoes are not active, to the best of our knowledge they are volcanoes - the geology matches what we expect volcanoes to be and so on. However, a volcano by definition requires a magma chamber and we since they aren't active we can't be 100% sure. There is no other mainstream explanation and they fit volcanoes like a glove so no qualifications would usually actually be stated, the electric universe folk think they are scars from electrical discharges as an example of a completely different interpretation.

    3. Re:In the solar system? by mrsquid0 · · Score: 2

      > Sorry if this may seem ignorant, but how can we be sure it might be the biggest volcano in the solar system if we only just discovered this one on *our* planet?

      This is not an ignorant question at all. We are not sure if it is the largest volcano in the Solar System, we just know that it is the largest that we know of on Earth, and one of the largest that we know of in the Solar System. We will not be sure until we have completely explored the entire ocean floor, under the Antarctic and Greenland ice caps, and the surfaces of every rocky planet and moon in the Solar System. We need to get busy.

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    4. Re:In the solar system? by camperdave · · Score: 2

      We will not be sure until we have completely explored ... the surfaces of every rocky planet and moon in the Solar System.

      Is there a particular reason that you are excluding the gas giants?

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    5. Re:In the solar system? by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Mars is smaller than Earth so you would expect larger volcanos, Venus is about the same size but does not have a moon to create tidal forces in the crust. Many of the gas giant moons have cyro-volcanos, this one is purple, but take a look at the surface and it's clear that Jupiter's moon Io could be considered one giant spherical volcano..

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    6. Re:In the solar system? by AlecC · · Score: 2

      The gas giants are believed not to have an actual surface, but rather a steadily increasing density from what we could call gas to what we would call solid. It is difficult to see how a volcano, which has a defined surface, could exist. If as surface does, contrary to belief, exist, we cannot see it and therefore can say nothing about its structure - including volcanoes.

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    7. Re:In the solar system? by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Sorry. I don't buy it. If there is solid matter, then it must have a surface. At some point there are going to be molecules that are part of the solid's lattice, and some that are not.

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    8. Re:In the solar system? by Agent0013 · · Score: 1

      I found that electric universe theory to be kind of interesting. The raised edge of Olympus Mons seems to be un-volcanic like. And if the one on Io is actually moving like they said, that is hard to explain as a volcano. So maybe we do have the largest volcano in the solar system.

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    9. Re:In the solar system? by Cytotoxic · · Score: 1

      Sorry. I don't buy it. If there is solid matter, then it must have a surface. At some point there are going to be molecules that are part of the solid's lattice, and some that are not.

      Hmmm... is it really meaningful to talk about a "surface" under pressures and temperatures at the center of Jupiter? It seems like current theory is that the core of jupiter is a giant molten soup, but with that amount of mass there could be something exotic and cool like a sea of giant carbon crystals floating on the molten core.... would you call that a surface?

    10. Re:In the solar system? by camperdave · · Score: 1

      there could be something exotic and cool like a sea of giant carbon crystals floating on the molten core.... would you call that a surface?

      Sounds to me like the raw ingredients for a diamond volcano spewing molten carbon.

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    11. Re:In the solar system? by lessthan · · Score: 1

      It's a flaw in our thinking. We prefer binary values, even though they are uncommon in nature. When does the day become night? Is it the start of sunset, the end of sunset, the end of civil twilight, or the end of nautical twilight? With the gravity on the gas giants bordering on ridiculous, a lot of effects we are familiar with here vanish there.

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  3. Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn

  4. WTF National Geographic??!! by torsmo · · Score: 2

    What's with the 10 million cookie requests? Never visiting the fucking site again.

    1. Re:WTF National Geographic??!! by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Really, and National Geographic without pictures is like Anita Bryant without orange juice.

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    2. Re:WTF National Geographic??!! by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Dammit. I was happily unaware of the existence of Anita Bryant until you posted.

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  5. Re:2nd Post ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    RTFA,

    It has been dead for 145 million years

  6. The answer to Marvin the Martian's question... by russbutton · · Score: 1

    Where's the kaboom?

  7. Same league as Olympus Mons? by dvh.tosomja · · Score: 2

    How? Olympus Mons is 22km high. Volcano in question is barely 4km tall.

    1. Re:Same league as Olympus Mons? by dido · · Score: 4, Informative

      They're compared in terms of surface area. Both Olympus Mons and the Tamu Massif occupy an area approximately 300,000 square kilometres.

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    2. Re:Same league as Olympus Mons? by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      They should probably come up with a better definition of "largest volcano" then. I vote for measuring the amount of magma that spews forth from the volcano in the average month. A dormant volcano, no matter how large, isn't really that exciting to me. By a tiny little volcano that spews forth billlions of litres of magma on a daily basis would be awesome. Olympus Mons appears to be a dead volcano, which makes it no more interesting to me than any other large mountain. It's still pretty cool as far as mountains go, just based on it's height.

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  8. Re:so what did they think actually ? by Thanshin · · Score: 2

    They thought is was a composite of many smaller volcanoes and have discovered it's not.

    Like discovering that the Himalaya is a single mountain that's been cut in several pointy tops by... monks, or something.

  9. Re: Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fh by mrbester · · Score: 3, Funny

    I recommend Sudafed

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  10. Re:so what did they think actually ? by sFurbo · · Score: 1

    Previously, it was thought to be a composite of many smaller volcanoes. Now, it is thought to be one volcano.

  11. Re:2nd Post ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So, any day now

  12. They wrote about this in Sanctuary by Coeurderoy · · Score: 1

    They wrote about this in Sanctuary, so now we need to be afraid, very afraid :-)

  13. Re:"This finding goes against what we thought" by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, it isn't a fundamental problem with science; they changed what they thought when new evidence to the contrary came to light. That's exactly how science is supposed to work.

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  14. Re:2nd Post ? by JustOK · · Score: 2

    Zombie Volcanoes!

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  15. Re:It's not 'new' by JustOK · · Score: 4, Funny

    What's the largest married volcano?

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  16. Re:"This finding goes against what we thought" by jrumney · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And this is a fundamental problem with religious fundamentalists... they can't handle the fact that scientists can change their minds when fresh evidence emerges.

  17. Re:I always thought... mars looked like giant empt by Amouth · · Score: 1

    Seaquest ftw...

    Great show, until they went the Alien route, completely killed it.. (like most shows that attempt it)...

    But in reality, i'd love to see people start moving under the ocean to both live and work, i think it would be awesome.

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  18. Re:so what did they think actually ? by richlv · · Score: 1

    hah. if i read it carefully, it actually makes much more sense ;)

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  19. So, Pacific Rim was right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I for one welcome our new giant monsters overlords.

  20. Re:omg, the kaiju are comming by Khan · · Score: 1

    Blast! You beat me to posting this :)

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  21. Extinct volcano by jonfr · · Score: 2

    This volcano is extinct and it is not producing any lava today or magma for that matter. So this is now just an volcano that nature is weathering down slowly.

  22. A couple of details that bugs me by khallow · · Score: 1

    If this really is the largest volcano in the world by surface area, then why didn't it break the surface like the Hawaiian volcanoes have managed? That sounds to me like flood basalt activity (which for some reason isn't treated quite like normal volcanic eruptions, perhaps due to the relative lack of historical precedent). We have bigger examples of flood basalts on Earth already (by surface area and probably by volume), the Deccan Traps of central India and Siberian Traps (which cover a third of Siberia) as well as similar examples on the Moon.

    Further, while I don't know about any lunar examples that might be near point-sourced, both the Earth-side examples I mention above have most lava in the system coming from a common source, some sort of series of dikes or cracks in a relatively small area compared to the total eruption's surface area. At this point, all we know is that the Tamu Massif has a common source which could be a similar structure to these flood basalts (which may in turn be obscured by a somewhat more normal volcanic eruption of the same system covering the initial eruption zone).

    A similar thing seems to be true of the duration of eruptions. Neither of the above flood basalts appears to have erupted for more than a few million years, durations that are comparable to the Tamu Massif's alleged duration of eruptions.

    So I guess for me, the question is why is Tamu Massif considered a single volcano, but not the Deccan Traps or the Siberian Traps?

  23. Re:Only half way there. by MiniMike · · Score: 1

    4: Large force of expandable henchmen. Advert up in the Evening Post.

    Make sure you put the advert in the restaurant section.

  24. Someone call Syfy and Discovery! by TheSkepticalOptimist · · Score: 1

    And cue up a zillion new disaster movies and documentaries about how this "new" super volcano could destroy the planet. I mean that is the only few things these channels offer these days, disaster movies and docs about the potential for disasters, and shows about logging.

    Someone needs to keep Dean Cain employed!

    Synopsis: Dean Cain, a retired US geologist is standing on his paddleboard off the coast of Hawaii when a freak wave washes over him and crashes ashore. Scratching his head and thinking that something is not right, he, and some B list bimbo, begins an epic shirtless journey and battle to save the planet by building the world's largest laser guided cork to plug a massive Pacific volcano that nobody knew about. Now if only he could get past the mega huge prehistoric sharks that the volcano keeps erupting at him!!!

    © 2014 Asylum Pictures, the official movie studio of Syfy. "Making Movies for only $3.50/min" TM

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  25. Re:"This finding goes against what we thought" by Safety+Cap · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That's exactly how science is supposed to work.

    The master said it best:

    The young specialist in English Lit, having quoted me, went on to lecture me severely on the fact that in every century people have thought they understood the universe at last, and in every century they were proved to be wrong. It follows that the one thing we can say about our modern "knowledge" is that it is wrong.

    My answer to him was, "John, when people thought the earth was flat, they were wrong. When people thought the earth was spherical, they were wrong. But if you think that thinking the earth is spherical is just as wrong as thinking the earth is flat, then your view is wronger than both of them put together."
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  26. Re: Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fh by mrsquid0 · · Score: 1

    We will need a very large Sudafed capsule to calm down the Deep One.

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  27. To heck with Mars by plopez · · Score: 1

    We need to explore and discover our own planet first. There is in fact much greater opportunity to have viable undersea colonies on Earth than building colonies on Mars.

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    1. Re:To heck with Mars by plopez · · Score: 1

      That is just one factor. Consider:
      1) Shorter distance to transport materials, colonists, and supplies.
      2) Abundance of food.
      3) Easier communications.
      4) Easier rescue missions.
      5) Plenty of water :)
      6) Easier to get oxygen from water.

      I'm sure there are others. That is just a short list. There is no way we can get a significant number of colonists onto Mars in 20 to 30 years. It would be easier to colonize at least continental waters in that time span.

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  28. Re:"This finding goes against what we thought" by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

    You beat me to it. ;)

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  29. Re:"This finding goes against what we thought" by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

    Sorry Mr Anonymous internet guy, it appears your data is corrupt, not theirs.

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  30. Re:2nd Post ? by sckienle · · Score: 1

    Quick, get your proposal into SyFy now, before someone else steals it!

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  31. Re: Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fh by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

    Sorry, no mod points, just laughter and applause. :)

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  32. Re:It's not 'new' by JustOK · · Score: 1

    My momma is not now, nor has she ever been, married.

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  33. Re:2nd Post ? by JustOK · · Score: 2

    I tried, they only wanted wrassling volcanoes.

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  34. Re:"This finding goes against what we thought" by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 1

    That's because they deal in dogma and sell certainty. Can't be a confidence trickster without plenty of confidence.