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Could Technology Create Modern-Day 'Leper Colonies'?

theodp writes "Back in the day, leprosy patients were stigmatized and shunned, quarantined from society in Leper Colonies. Those days may be long gone, but are our mapping, GPS, and social media technologies in effect helping to create modern-day 'Leper Colonies'? The recently-shuttered GhettoTracker.com (born again as Good Part of Town) generated cries of racism by inviting users to rate neighborhoods based on 'which parts of town are safe and which ones are ghetto, or unsafe'. Calling enough already with the avoid-the-ghetto apps, The Atlantic Cities' Emily Badger writes, "this idea toes a touchy line between a utilitarian application of open data and a sly wink toward people who just want to steer clear of 'those kinds of neighborhoods.'" The USPTO has already awarded avoid-crime-ridden-neighborhoods-like-the-plague patents to tech giants Microsoft, IBM, and Google. So, when it comes to navigational apps, where's the line between utility and racism? 'As mobile devices get smarter and more ubiquitous,' writes Svati Kirsten Narula, 'it is tempting to let technology make more and more decisions for us. But doing so will require us to sacrifice one of our favorite assumptions: that these tools are inherently logical and neutral...the motivations driving the algorithms may not match the motivations of those algorithms' users.' Indeed, the Google patent for Storing and Providing Routes proposes to 'remove streets from recommended directions if uploaded route information indicates that travelers seem to avoid the street.' Even faster routes that 'traverse one or more high crime areas,' Google reasons, 'may be less appealing to most travelers'."

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  1. no ghettos pre-internet? by alen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    i've lived in NYC since the early 80's and if you were white you were dumb to go to the south bronx or harlem. especially at night. if your kid passes the gifted and talented test to get into accelerated kindergarten, the crappy schools will have spots open in their G&T classes because parents don't want their kids going there

    1. Re:no ghettos pre-internet? by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 5, Informative

      We already get enough pointless 300-post threads with everyone arguing about how they apparently know exactly what happened that day every time there's an article related to the Martin shooting. Nobody's going to change their mind on the subject at this point. No need to try to turn unrelated threads into the same argument.

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      How can we continue to believe in a just universe and freedom to eat crackers if we have no ale?
    2. Re: no ghettos pre-internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      The only eye-witness who saw the two of them before Zimmerman shot supported Zimmerman's version of events.

      The only eye witness who contradicted Zimmerman's version of events got every relevant fact wrong. She claimed that Zimmerman shot Martin in the back and that there were three shots, neither of which were true.

      Unfortunately, most people only heard the very biased fiction spread by Martin's family lawyer and various publicity hounds (i.e. Al Sharpton), and various distorted stories by mainstream media. This included NBC doctoring the Zimmerman phone call to make it sound as though he were spontaneously mentioning Martin's race, and ABC, which showed a badly degraded version of a video of Zimmerman, making it appear that he had no wounds.

  2. Safety takes Precedence over Ethnic concerns by BoRegardless · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There are rough neighborhoods and bars in white neighborhoods that I would not expect women to go near at night in good cities.

    Facts are facts.

  3. I'm not sorry. by Xenkar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I value my safety over the feelings of others. Label it however you want, it is better than ending up dead, brain dead, maimed for life, or having my eye sockets reconstructed with titanium plates.

  4. PC at its best by MPAB · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I once asked in several forums about the neighborhoods of a city I was going to move into with my family. I didn't want to fall into bohemian neighborhoods (want rest at night, not party) or ghettos just because I didn't know the place. The answers were all about racism, how beautiful and diverse those places were, how much of a lousy father I was for denying my children such enriching experiences, etc.
    I resorted to look around for external signs, such as crowded balconies, abandoned cars, how people dressed, etc.

    I think I have the same right to be informed when I look for somewhere to live than when shopping around for stuff that suits my needs as precisely as possible.

    1. Re:PC at its best by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The answers were all about racism, how beautiful and diverse those places were

      To get a real answer from those people, ask them what area of town they live in as it will usually be quite nice compared to where they are directing you to.

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      "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  5. Real racism is pre-coloring crime by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How is bypassing neighborhoods with a high crime rate "racism", unless you yourself are saying high crime areas ALWAYS have people of a certain race...

    There are criminals of every race. The desire to reduce the probability of crime is not a matter of race, but of common sense.

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  6. It never felt so good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So now it's wrong, and even RACIST, to mitigate the risk of my family becoming victims by avoiding areas that have exceptionally high rates of crime?

    Being wrong and allegedly racist never felt so good.

  7. Re:Are ghettos really that bad? by Miamicanes · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The worst thing about living anywhere near a "bad" neighborhood are the endless car break-ins that the authorities can't do jack shit to stop. The Coconut Grove area of Miami, and the adjacent neighborhoods in Coral Gables (where I used to live) are a perfect example. Thanks to both explosive gentrification and the enduring legacy of old-south segregation-era zoning laws, there are plenty of areas where you literally have expensive homes back to back with housing projects that will never go away.

    In those areas, you can never have guests come over to see you unless they park elsewhere and take a cab, because YOUR BUILDING's parking garage might have 2 layers of gates & security, but for obvious logistical reasons, the guest parking sits unprotected out in the open. Let me tell you... the only thing that sucks worse than getting your own parked car broken into is having friends come to see you, and getting THEIR OWN car broken into. Or god forbid, your parents' car. If your parents' car gets broken into, you will NEVER be allowed to forget about it. My parents STILL bring it up at least two or three times at family gatherings on Thanksgiving, Christmas, and the Fourth of July, and it happened more than a DECADE ago.

    Ask anybody who lives in an urban neighborhood what their #1 neurotic fear is, and they'll tell you -- "Friends coming to visit, and getting their car broken into". On the hierarchy of social shame, it pretty much tops the list. From that point forward, you no longer live in a nice, safe, gentrified urban neighborhood. As far as your friends and family are concerned, you live in the 'hood.