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Flash Mobs of Trading Robots Coalescing To Rule Markets

An anonymous reader writes "Financial markets experienced a series of computer glitches recently that brought operations to a halt. According to a researcher at the University of Miami, mobs of ultrafast robots, which trade and operate at speeds beyond human capability, may be responsible for these "flash freezes". From the article: '"Even though each trading algorithm/robot is out to gain a profit at the expense of any other, and hence act as a predator, any algorithm which is trading has a market impact and hence can become noticeable to other algorithms," said Neil Johnson, a professor of physics at the College of Arts and Sciences at the University of Miami (UM) and lead author of the new study. "So although they are all predators, some can then become the prey of other algorithms depending on the conditions. Just like animal predators can also fall prey to each other." When there's a normal combination of prey and predators, he says, everything is in balance. But once predators are introduced that are too fast, they create extreme events.'"

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  1. Re:Should be a tax on every transaction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why?

    Because we, the people, end up bailing out these irresponsible fuckers who have turned Wallstreet into a casino. The next bailout better be paid in advance by those who caused it, hence a tax on gambling with stocks.

  2. Re:Should be a tax on every transaction by Thanshin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because we, the people, end up bailing out these irresponsible fuckers who have turned Wallstreet into a casino.

    Did you decide to bail anyone?
    Did you have any choice in whether to bail them?
    Did you have any power at all?

    We, the people, didn't bail anything nor anyone. We were robbed of a fraction of our production by the powerful and THEY bailed the banks, because THEY are the ones with a lot of money inside those banks.

    The next bailout better be paid in advance by those who caused it, hence a tax on gambling with stocks.

    The next bailout will be paid by the government. And the people have no money, nor voice, nor power to stop that.

  3. Re:Should be a tax on every transaction by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Please, don't disparage the good folks in the probabilistic entertainment area of the hospitality sector by such comparisons.

    Casinos may be tacky; and they do suck some gambling addicts dry; but their danger to the larger economy, and to parties who don't choose to deal with them, is quite minimal. Even better, because of their tackiness and the widespread knowledge of how foolish it is to work with them when greater-than-recreational amounts of money are on the line, nobody proposes massive bailouts, or handing social security over to them to manage!

  4. Hopelessly Naive by GlobalEcho · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Consider the following quote from the paper

    Since both crashes and spikes are typically more than 30 standard deviations larger than the average price movement either side of an event (see Figs. 1A and 1B), they are unlikely to have arisen by chance

    This statement implies that the authors believe a gaussian model "should" apply to the market dynamics. As Benoit Mandelbrot and many others before and after him point out, financial markets never have followed gaussian dynamics and they probably never will. It's especially silly because they go on to analyze the distribution of Ultrafast Extreme Event (UEE) sizes as a power law.

    Today's market has both accumulation algorithms now used by mutual funds and other sophisticated "buy and hold" investors, and market-making algorithms used by HF firms, and I fully believe there is some interesting dynamics arising from all that. Whether it is any weirder than the slower, human-derived, dynamics of yesteryear is still in doubt. Humans are so much more complex than any of those algorithms that I suspect if you examined the market behavior in 1980, and sped it up, you would see plots wilder than anything Nanex produces.

    The paper is somewhat interesting, but not very convincing.