Flash Mobs of Trading Robots Coalescing To Rule Markets

An anonymous reader writes "Financial markets experienced a series of computer glitches recently that brought operations to a halt. According to a researcher at the University of Miami, mobs of ultrafast robots, which trade and operate at speeds beyond human capability, may be responsible for these "flash freezes". From the article: '"Even though each trading algorithm/robot is out to gain a profit at the expense of any other, and hence act as a predator, any algorithm which is trading has a market impact and hence can become noticeable to other algorithms," said Neil Johnson, a professor of physics at the College of Arts and Sciences at the University of Miami (UM) and lead author of the new study. "So although they are all predators, some can then become the prey of other algorithms depending on the conditions. Just like animal predators can also fall prey to each other." When there's a normal combination of prey and predators, he says, everything is in balance. But once predators are introduced that are too fast, they create extreme events.'"

Comments

So far removed from anything useful for society!

[Rosco P. Coltrane]

This sort of financial activities is complete economic nonsense, as it brings nothing of value to people, companies or other concerns that actually produce something useful to society as a whole. Just reading the /. blurb should be enough to convince anyone that "robot trading" is a parasitic activity that should be taxed to oblivion - by ways of a tax based on the speed of trading for instance - and financial markets forced to become what they're supposed to be: places for investors to invest in real economic activities for the long haul.

Ho Hum - the exchanges are the biggest crooks

[FriendlyLurker]

The flesh-and-blood sharks were thrown in jail (overnight, litrally) convicted of fraud many years later and given a tiny slap on the wrist compared to their actual crimes. This not done in the name of justice, but part of a larger power struggle to take the NYSE electronic (the families that had operated the NYSE for 200 years were blocking the move, shit started to hit the fan around 2003). The exchange specialist were only accused of skimming off the top for a short period of time, but everyone familiar with this practice knows that it goes back to 1970's and most likely well before that (Richard Ney called them out for skimming off the top in his best selling book The Wall Street Jungle around 1970), Richard Wyckoff talked about the principles & techniques of stock market manipulation (by the exchanges) it as far back as early 1900's). Since 1970 that are billions of dollars skimmed off the top - no investigation until a power struggle. The practice goes on today and it is the electronic exchanges that benefit instead of the NYSE specialists. Any talented stock market data analyst can confirm this by taking NYSE data pre electronic exchange data and comparing their "skimming" techniques as confirmed in the court case against the electronic data. Wyckoff became very wealthy living off the crumbs of the exchanges ill-gotten gains.

All this news is underlining is that the exchanges are having more of their crumbs stolen by independent parties... if you want reform, start with brining transparent to the stock marker exchanges and their skimming off the top practices. The cost to society is enormous.

Re:Should be a tax on every transaction

[Anonymous Coward]

No, they don't. They don't have ESP. They can't see what you do on a market before you actually do something on the market.

Actually they do have esp.
They can see what order you have placed before it is fulfilled.
Have you not heard of level 2 market data.
Pay for it and you can see what orders are placed - volume, bid/ask price, trading organisation.
Combine that with super high speed connections to the exchange and you can see transactions at the millisecond and act on them.

Off topic:
If you've ever traded you may have spotted the effects of high frequency when using candlestick charts at the 1 minute timeframe.
You will see long repeated sequences of Bull Candle, Bear Candle of the same size over a short time scale (seconds)
Thats proof of Banks and institutional traders bots / algorithms fighting for price power.

8 Years ago you would be lucky to have spotted a dozen a year.
Nowadays there's one everyday if you know which instrument to look at.