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UK Gov't Outlines Plans To Privatize Royal Mail

Ellie K writes "After 500 years, Britain announced plans to fully privatize Royal Mail today. Shares of stock (common equity) will be offered to the public 'in coming weeks', according to Reuters. 10% of shares will be given to current Royal Mail employees, Deal size is estimated at $US 3 to 4.7 billion. Goldman Sachs and UBS were chosen as lead advisers." That doesn't mean you'll be able to buy a piece tomorrow, though; as the BBC's report notes, "The plans have provoked strong opposition from unions. The Communication Workers Union (CWU) is currently balloting members on strike action. Ballot papers are due to go out on 20 September to 125,000 Royal Mail workers. The earliest possible strike date would be 10 October. Plans to privatise the 250-year-old postal service have been on successive governments' agendas since the early 1990s."

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  1. Re:fattening the cow by Threni · · Score: 1, Interesting

    >the RM has already been broken up and sold off in stages, each made worse:
    > PO Telephones became British Telecom became British Telecom Plc. in the '80s.

    No. BT were a joke. I'm using a competitor. Cheaper and better.

    Royal Mail are useless. I emailed Amazon begging them to use other people to deliver, not Royal Mail. This happened:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6768983.stm

    They lied about posting stuff which didn't turn up; cards appeared at my door saying `you were out` when I was not out etc.

    They expect overtime when they finish their shift early (they're paid by the hour).

    Get rid of them, and introduce competition. I don't need the mail much, but when I do, I want it to turn up on time, not end up lost (stolen, let's be honest)

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-188892/Quarter-million-letters-lost-week.html

  2. Re:fattening the cow by Joining+Yet+Again · · Score: 5, Interesting

    We have a thriving competitive market in telecoms? Oh, Sir, you crack me up. We have VIrgin Media, Sky and BT, and almost all your "competitors" are actually using re-sold BT services which only exist thanks to a stringent framework of regulation which nevertheless still operates in BT's favour ("regulatory capture"). Fuck, BT are even required to artificially separate the operations of their divisions - BT Openreach, BT Wholesale, and BT retail, so it isn't so obvious how they take advantage of their position as a natural monopoly.

    The US is certainly worse - because it's an order of magnitude more spread out than the UK, and its privatisation was even less regulated (so, for example, BT are required to provide a certain level of service, which in a lot of cases e.g. remote Scotland is provided through government sponsorship).

    RM had already been broken up into such inefficiency (as above) that it was necessary to drive up prices to make it profitable again. Even the NHS suffers this problem: all your greatly indebted Trusts were involved in New Labour's horrible public-private partnerships. The problem isn't the lack of private sector involvement: it's the existence of subcontracting to the private sector, where none before existed.

    The belief that profit produces a better service per se is ideological. It sometimes does - e.g. when there is a free market - but not for essential services, especially not when they form natural monopolies.

  3. Private company delivering a Public good by ErichTheRed · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One of the things I've never understood about these privatization deals is that people think it will save taxpayers tons of money. The simple truth is that some public goods should be provided by non-profit or state-owned companies simply to maintain the level of service.

    An example from the US is the Postal Service vs. FedEx, UPS, etc. The private delivery services have squeezed every single nickel out of the process of delivering packages, and one of the ways they do this is cherry-picking the easy services to perform. They also charge a lot of money for this service unless you're a big company with a better contracted rate. Anyone can get a package from New York to Atlanta overnight . It's very different when an organization has a mandate to provide affordable delivery of letters from anywhere to anywhere in the US for the cost of a stamp. I can mail a letter from Key West, Florida to Prudhoe Bay, Alaska for 46 cents - that doesn't even cover the fuel required. FedEx and UPS don't directly deliver to areas of the country where it's not cost-effective to do so. The Postal Service has a Constitutional mandate to do this, so it has to be inefficient by nature. Since I'm not a business, I usually use the USPS to ship stuff just because the walk-up rates are way cheaper than FedEx, and now they even offer cheaper rates if you pre-pay the postage online. The USPS is under pressure to keep these rates low, has a huge workforce to pay, and has a congressional mandate to prepay their retiree medical and pension costs

    There's plenty of other examples. Electric and gas utilities have to provide service at a cheap enough rate so almost anyone can afford it. Amtrak in the US has to run very unprofitable long-distance rail service and subsidize it by using the money it makes from its Northeast and California rail services.

    The other thing to consider is employment. Especially now, given the fact that suitable jobs for the majority of the population are going away with no replacement work on the horizon, we need to find something for people to do. A privatized postal service will lay off everyone but the bare minimum number of people to keep the lights on, and outsource all the business processes to cheaper countries in the name of cost savings. This is where my "lefty socialist" tendencies kick in - Do we really want a world where 5% of the population are fabulously wealthy, 15% are working in jobs like IT, engineering, and others, and 80% have nothing to do and no prospects? Remember, the seismic shifts in employment last time generated better jobs. Subsistence farming went to organized agriculture, then mechanization of that caused a shift to factory work, then outsourcing of that caused a shift to service and paper-pushing jobs, now outsourcing and obsolescence of that leads to.....hmm....there's nothing for Joe Average to do anymore and a well-protected aristocracy with no incentive to help. That's a recipe for French Revolution 2.0.

    I know economic theory isn't on my side, but I think monopolies are more efficient at delivering some types of services than others -- not from a dollar perspective but from a service delivery perspective. It may be more expensive, but think back to how reliable AT&T phone service was back before they were broken up. It was expensive, but it almost never went down. Obviously this doesn't apply to all goods and services, but those that have to be universal and cheap are not good candidates for privatization IMO.

    1. Re:Private company delivering a Public good by Obfuscant · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Yet people freely bitch about the Post Office and public schools* âoelosing money.â

      Post Office, yes. There is no reason the Post Office shouldn't be revenue neutral instead of a losing money proposition. They're providing a service for money.

      But public schools? I've never heard such a complaint, and it would be ridiculous to make one. Public schools aren't selling a service, they're totally taxpayer funded and there is no expectation that the public schools are going to have in incoming revenue stream.

      The real complaint is that the public schools are ineffective with the ever-increasing levels of money they are being given and that they are wasting it instead of using it to educate. Too many administrators, for one. Union contracts that mean dud teachers are assigned to an empty room (with full pay) to protect the students because they can't be fired for being incompetent. Handing out free iPods and laptops to third graders instead of focusing on core competencies.

      But "losing money"? No, that's not what the complaints are.

  4. Re:fattening the cow by Xest · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think it depends where you live. Personally I prefer Yodel over Royal Mail and it wasn't so long ago I was a big fan of Royal Mail.

    Only 2 years ago Royal Mail used to deliver me 1st class mail next day all the time, courier deliveries similarly were always next day and if I missed an RM courier delivery it'd be at my local post office just 2 minutes round the corner. All was good in the world.

    Then shit started going downhill. Over the last 18 months I've had "guaranteed" next day deliveries take 5 days only to turn up when I was at work and be taken not to my local post office 2 minutes away but all the way to a depot a 30minute drive away that only opens past lunchtime (when I'm at work) once a week for me to pick up. I could wait another few days and have it brought to my local post office if I pay more even though it was their failure to achieve their "guaranteed" delivery. 1st class mail now consistently takes 2 - 3 days and I've had some mail delayed for 3 weeks because they decided it was oversized and I have to pay them £1 more even though none of it was actually oversized and formal complaints about this went completely unacknowledged and ignored. They never attempt next day re-delivery anymore and mail always without fail every single day now comes through the door folded, sometimes almost completely destroyed.

    This isn't a one off incident like you're talking about with the GP, this is sustained consistent decline in service over the last 18 months - 2 years and it's simply an unacceptably low quality of service. In the meantime what do I see the CWU folks doing? Campaigning about laws regarding dogs and so forth - perhaps if they really gave a shit about their future they'd focus on making sure their staff could do their jobs properly whether that's because they've been under-resourced in the last 18 months or because company policy changes have caused the decline in service. They can't now bitch and moan expecting public support when they've spent the last months giving that very public an abysmal level of service. It's a two way street.

    Compare and contrast to Yodel and well, Yodel always deliver when they say they will, if I'm out they leave my parcel in a safe place or with the neighbour so I don't have to spend my own time and money collecting it (i.e. defying the point of a fucking delivery service) and I'll simply not ever forget the time where they delivered to me on foot in the middle of a -16c snowstorm because their van got stuck a mile out when Royal Mail hadn't even been seen for over a week.

    As I say, I suspect these sorts of things are very regional but for me, I'm actually pleased to see something is going to be delivered by Yodel because I know it's actually going to end up at my house when I expect it to end up at my house, whereas if I see RM well, it could end up at some arbitrary location within a radius of about 30 miles for me to collect at some arbitrary point in the future but that's about all I can now expect.

    I wont pretend that I think privatisation is magically going to fix anything but you'll have to excuse me if right now I have very little sympathy for the workers, nor do I suspect things can get any worse given that they're already much worse than the service private delivery firms currently give me despite having had more money than a lot of them and a last mile monopoly.

    I'm not even some kind of right wing idealist, I'd love nothing more to have Royal Mail back giving me the quality of service it did 5, even 3 years ago but I don't have faith in that happening because the CWU are as much part of the problem as the right wing zealots who want to privatise are. Maybe if they'd spent more time making sure they had the public on side by doing a good job and less time lobbying heavily against dog owners or whatever they wouldn't find themselves in this situation to start with.

    I agree Tory privatisation doesn't exactly have a very good track record, but as I say, at this point I could really care less, as the service really can't get much worse where I live so it really makes no odds to people like me.

  5. Re:About as well as any other UK privitisation by serviscope_minor · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We just give the profits to private entities.

    Nope!

    One of our train operators is a subsidiary owned by SNCF, another by DeutcheBahn.

    Both of those are public entities, proving very nicely that public entities can run the railways well. We're actually subsidising the French and German public rail networks.

    You know because the free market works and private woo woo etc etc.

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