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IBM Promises $1B Investment In Linux Development

itwbennett writes with a link to a story you'll need to mentally upgrade from "expected to" to "just happened" about IBM's $1 billion dollar investment in Linux officially announced Tuesday morning at LinuxCon (the WSJ broke the story yesterday), by IBM VP Brad McCredie. IBM, says the linked article, will use all that money "to promote Linux development as it tries to adapt Power mainframes and servers to handle cloud and big data applications in distributed computing environments. The investment will fund Linux application development programs for IBM's Power servers and also be used to expand a cloud service where developers can write and test applications for Power servers before deployment. It will also facilitate software development around IBM's new Power8 chips, which will go into servers next year." It's not the only time that IBM has recently tossed around the B-word, and as Nick Kolakowski notes at Slash BI, it's also not the first time IBM has put that much money into Linux.

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  1. one BILLION... by epiphani · · Score: 3, Informative

    To sell more power chips. Nothing to see here, please move along.

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    1. Re:one BILLION... by unixisc · · Score: 3, Interesting

      But are they then replacing AIX w/ Linux? It would be indeed interesting if that were the case

    2. Re:one BILLION... by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      I've had the feeling that's been in the cards for a decade now. Migration would take a long time, but IBM is a long-view kind of company.

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    3. Re:one BILLION... by erikkemperman · · Score: 2

      As ESR said in his opus The Cathedral and the Bizarre, Linux is only free if your time has no value. Clearly IBM's time, and chip business, has lots of value. A billion dollar's worth apparently.

      That's Bazar, not Bizarre. And the statement is true for just the narrow interpretation of "free", which is to say, "as in beer". ESR is a bit of a self important douche, by the way, but that's just my own take on the guy.

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  2. $1 Billion Towards THEIR OWN ARCHITECTURE. by kcbnac · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The phrase '$1 Billion' gets people to sit up and notice.

    But most of this work won't benefit the Linux community and software at large, at least directly. It will be ancillary improvements; where something gets re-written/improved/fixed due to issues on the POWER architecture that happen to benefit everyone else too. Hopefully these are many and useful.

    Still, any investment shows that Linux is Serious Business.

    1. Re:$1 Billion Towards THEIR OWN ARCHITECTURE. by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 2

      The phrase '$1 Billion' gets people to sit up and notice.

      But most of this work won't benefit the Linux community and software at large, at least directly. It will be ancillary improvements; where something gets re-written/improved/fixed due to issues on the POWER architecture that happen to benefit everyone else too.

      This is work that ensures there are usable alternatives to Intel based equipment. I would have thought that benefits the Linux community at large directly ... unless one is most at home in a x86-64 monoculture :-)

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    2. Re:$1 Billion Towards THEIR OWN ARCHITECTURE. by Patch86 · · Score: 2

      Everyone in open source land contributes (whether the voluntary time or money sort) to the bits that matter to them. There aren't many voluntary devs out there working on software that they don't really use.

      IBM spending $1b on Linux development is great news. The fact that it'll be spent on those aspects of Linux development that matter most to IBM is hardly a shocker.

  3. Does it cost them anything? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wonder if this is an accounting trick. Lay off all their developers, and then hire them back as contractors at a lower rate to sell Power8 systems.

    1. Re:Does it cost them anything? by Nerdfest · · Score: 2

      Hardware is cheap specifically because it stopped being from IBM in the 80's.

    2. Re:Does it cost them anything? by roc97007 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      As a developer at IBM for 10+ years, doing Linux and PowerPC for a large portion of that time. I am wondering why I am laid off and working for HP now. One hand does not know what the other is doing it seems.

      My experience at IBM was that often, not only does one hand not wash the other, but one hand is actively arm-wrestling the other. You can bet that the AIX group is plotting the overthrow of this upstart Linux thing, and the AS/400 group is plotting the demise of this microcomputer flash-in-the-pan thing, and the Z-series group is plotting the comeback of 3179's on the desktop.

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  4. Re:Who Cares? by Minwee · · Score: 4, Informative

    $18 Billion in sales would seem to suggest otherwise.

  5. Wow! by LifesABeach · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, if you're in IBM-India, that's great!

  6. Re:Suckers by jedidiah · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As long as no one can just take their ball and go home BSD style, then EVERYONE benefits. That's equality.

    The "bitch mentality" of sabotaging others is really not necessary or appropriate.

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  7. itword vs WSJ by bored · · Score: 4, Informative

    The people at itworld are less IBM literate than the WSJ, because they keep repeating "POWER mainframe".

    Repeat after me, POWER is _NOT_ IBM's mainframe line. The mainframe line is the zSeries and runs on proprietary processors clocked at 5.5Ghz. POWER processors are in the pSeries and iSeries machines.

    Now, that said, in many ways the high end pSeries stuff is better than the mainframe hardware, but in no way is it considered "mainframe" grade to the IBM sales guys.

    All that said, RHEL and SLES both run on pSeries and zSeries machines.

  8. Linus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I hope part of that $1B will be used to buy Mr. Torvalds a license for a good backup program... ;)

    1. Re:Linus by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 2

      Why would he need a license to use the free software he was already using? The "Linus doesn't back up his data!" bullshit is a myth. His data was backed up. In fact, he uses the most powerful and useful data integrity and replication software on the planet, which he himself designed. The delay was an intentional decision, and was the result of him wanting to investigate the failure more thoroughly.

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  9. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  10. VMs by unixisc · · Score: 2

    It would seem to me that in newer POWER iron, they could just install Linux, and for backwards compatibility, run AIX on KVM/Qemu. That would support any legacy software that they need to support, while they can work on getting as much Lintel software ported to Power Linux.

    1. Re:VMs by bws111 · · Score: 2

      No need to do that, they can just run Linux and AIX in separate LPARs if so desired.

  11. US gov't policy responsible ? by perpenso · · Score: 2

    The way I read the release is that IBM is going to hire people in France to support linux, while laying off people in the US doing AIX and Linux work.

    There is also the gov't policy angle. The US gov't wants to tax foreign profits. So companies like Apple and IBM have a lot of money overseas that they don't know what to do with. Spending what they earn overseas in an overseas development effort avoids these additional taxes.

    The US gov't basically seems to be encouraging IBM to shut down US development and move it overseas. Sure its an unintended consequence but many gov't failings stem from the unintended consequences of good intentioned policy.

  12. Re:Expensive migration by HtR · · Score: 2

    If they use the remaining $99 million for advertising, it might actually work.

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  13. Re:What? by unixisc · · Score: 2

    AIX would have to be maintained, re-written & all that; w/ Linux, they have the standard kernel that they just pull from out there, whose Power port exists. Then they take that, then all the programs that they need running on top of it, be it BusyBox or GNU or whatever, and then things like KDE or GNUSTEP. The good thing is that IBM can stop having to maintain an in-house team of programmers skilled in an OS that has increasingly limited use, and instead leverage the popularity of Linux and get that whole ecosystem ported to the POWER platforms.

  14. Re: Linux is developed by corps not hobbyists by HiThere · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Time is significant. Linux was originally developed mainly by hobbyists. After awhile a few corporations started subsidizing development, first by donations of equipment, and later by actually hiring people to ensure that it would run on their hardware. The people they tended to hire were those who were already acknowledged as experienced and talented.

    Currently there are still a few pure hobbyists, but most developers have commercial subsidy, or are employed by some corportion or other. (I'm including, e.g., Red Hat.) There are multiple reasons. One is that a greater proportion of currently developing programmers are less into systems work. Another is that the system has become significantly more complex. (Most of the low-hanging fruit has already been picked.) Etc.

    OTOH, do note that new distros are still being created. But also note that they tend to be created by forking an existing popular distro. The system is currently too complex for one person, and probably for one team of people, to manage a complete general purpose distro, like Debian, Ubuntu, Red Hat, or Suse. Slackware seems to be a counter example to this claim, but I don't know it well enough to know that it actually is.

    Also, to be accepted as a kernel developer, you need to have a track record. And that takes time and effort. There are still some specialized areas that a person can use to break in (keeping documentation current is probably still such a place), but it's a lot more difficult than it used to be, because there are so many people submitting patches. It's much easier to do that if you have someone already accepted to vouch for you, and also to lead you through the process. And, as stated, most of those are currently people paid to work on the system as their job.

    So, yes, it has developed into a system largely developed by people employed by corporations. And many of them are, indeed, the same people who started out doing this as a hobby.

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  15. Re: Linux is developed by corps not hobbyists by WuphonsReach · · Score: 2

    OTOH, do note that new distros are still being created. But also note that they tend to be created by forking an existing popular distro. The system is currently too complex for one person, and probably for one team of people, to manage a complete general purpose distro, like Debian, Ubuntu, Red Hat, or Suse. Slackware seems to be a counter example to this claim, but I don't know it well enough to know that it actually is.

    List of Linux distros

    Looks like it breaks down by package manager as: Debian (apt), RPM-based (yum), Pacman-based, Gentoo (portage), Slackware. Then there are the handful of oddballs which are probably those without a package manager and require you to install everything from source?

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