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True Size of the Shadow Banking System Revealed (Spoiler: Humongous)

KentuckyFC writes "The banking system is closely regulated and monitored by central banks and other government agencies. But it has become common practice for banks to get around this by doing business in ways that don't show up on conventional balance sheets. This so-called shadow banking system is thought to be huge, but nobody knows exactly how big. Now three econophysicists have discovered that the size distribution of the world's largest financial firms significantly differs from the size distribution of smaller ones or indeed non-financial firms. And they hypothesize that the difference is the result of the hidden transactions that make up the shadow banking system. By this new measure, the shadow banking system has grown dramatically since the financial crisis and was worth over $100 trillion in 2012, significantly more than had been thought and more even than the GDP of the entire planet. Nothing to worry about, then."

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  1. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 5, Funny

    "The banking system is closely regulated and monitored by central banks and other government agencies."

    AHAHAHAHA Stop it! Yer killing me!

    1. Re:BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In the United States, the central banks are regulating the Government.

      They love the government as long as it sets rules that let them win.

    2. Re:BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA by pla · · Score: 5, Insightful

      AHAHAHAHA Stop it! Yer killing me!

      Sorry? I completely fail to see any humor in the fact that the banks of the world explicitly and openly collude to fuck us as hard as they can - And with the outright support of government, at that.

    3. Re:BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Then the feds decided this was bad and that they should fine them an extra $800 million.

      WTF? Your own article says they were fined for hiding the loses. There are even criminal charges. It's legal to lose money, but it isn't legal to lie about it to regulators.

    4. Re:BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When somebody begins their argument with a link to Wikipedia

      That's funny, when I see someone dismiss something because wikipedia was the citation I always figure they're just rejecting things on the basis that Wikipedia got mentioned because they think that makes them sound clever.

    5. Re:BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA by Mitchell314 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Interesting, when I see somebody reject another's argument on the basis they reject a third party's argument solely for using wikipedia, I pretend to be clever by making a meta joke to hide the fact I got lost tracking the level of nested counter claims.

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    6. Re:BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA by Dunbal · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The rules are always for the little guy. Don't you get it yet?

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  2. Econophysicists. WTF? by Russ1642 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I did my masters in non-Newtonian budget surpluses.

    1. Re:Econophysicists. WTF? by king+neckbeard · · Score: 5, Funny

      Econophysicists are just aspiring botanopsychologists who couldn't cut it.

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  3. Re:Shadow banking system by amiga3D · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nothing scarier than having your entire life savings become worthless.

  4. size by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Insightful

    and more even than the GDP of the entire planet.

    The size of the shadow banking system may be worrisome (I guess), but banks hold assets, whereas GDP measures income. It would be extremely surprising if the GDP of the world were more than its income.

    Incidentally, if you are upset about the 'shadow banking system' or the name 'shadow' scares you, money market funds are part of the shadow banking system. So are ETFs. So it is very possible that you are part of the SBS, since normal people invest in these kinds of things.

    In general the SBS only matters because tax payers are committed to bailing banks out if they lose too much money there. If we followed Paul Volcker's advise and made a rule that, "any bank that is too large to fail is too large to exist. Any bank that receives money from the federal government will be broken up in pieces and sold," then it would solve a large portion of these problems. Make a rule that you can clawback salaries and bonuses from execs who made very very bad decisions, and that will solve another large portion of the problem.

    As it is now, all the incentives are aligned to ensure another financial crisis, whether we have a shadow market or not. Focus on fixing the incentives, focus on smaller details. But we won't focus on changing the incentives as long as the administration continues to keep stooges from the financial industry in his cabinet.

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  5. Re:Shadow banking system by TrumpetPower! · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And, remember. The same people who run the shadow banking system are the ones who want you to put all your money into it rather than pay down your mortgage.

    If you own your home free and clear, you don't need anywhere near as much savings (or income!) to be comfortable. But if you have a hundred grand outstanding on your mortgage and a hundred grand in the market and the market goes tits-up, that hundred grand is gone and you still have to pay the mortgage and the lender can still kick you on the street if you don't. And, ohbytheway, all that equity you've put into the home goes *poof* when the bank evicts you as well.

    Debt may be what's driving the economy, but it's pure evil for the little people.

    If you want a stress-free life, pay cash for everything. If you want something and you can't afford it, set aside whatever you'd spend on the monthly payments and then buy it outright when you've saved up enough. It won't take anywhere near as many monthly payments to save up for it as it would to buy it on credit. You're pretty much always going to spend a bare minimum of half the purchase price on finance charges, and often more than the purchase price.

    That's really all you have to do to double your purchasing power: don't buy on credit.

    (The only types of exceptions are for capital investments, such as big equipment for a business. If a company will make significantly more money from the equipment than it'll pay in finance charges, the loan makes sense. But that's almost never the case for individuals, and certainly not the case for living room furniture and kitchen doodads and exercise equipment that rusts from disuse. And rarely the case for vehicles. Homes you might have no choice but to finance, but buy something you can pay off in five to ten years, even if it means living on rice and beans in the mean time; if you can't afford to pay it off that fast, you can't afford the house.)

    Cheers,

    b&

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