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What the Insurance Industry Thinks About Climate Change

Hugh Pickens DOT Com writes "Joseph Stromberg reports at the Smithsonian that if there's one group has an obvious and immediate financial stake in climate change, it's the insurance industry and in recent years, insurance industry researchers who attempt to determine the annual odds of catastrophic weather-related disasters say they're seeing something new. 'Our business depends on us being neutral. We simply try to make the best possible assessment of risk today, with no vested interest,' says Robert Muir-Wood, the chief scientist of Risk Management Solutions (RMS), a company that creates software models to allow insurance companies to calculate risk. Most insurers, including the reinsurance companies that bear much of the ultimate risk in the industry, have little time for the arguments heard in some right-wing circles that climate change isn't happening, and are quite comfortable with the scientific consensus that burning fossil fuels is the main culprit of global warming. 'Insurance is heavily dependent on scientific thought,' says Frank Nutter, president of the Reinsurance Association of America. 'It is not as amenable to politicized scientific thought.' A pronounced shift can be seen in extreme rainfall events, heat waves and wind storms and the underlying reason is climate change, says Muir-Wood, driven by rising greenhouse gas emissions. 'The first model in which we changed our perspective is on U.S. Atlantic hurricanes. Basically, after the 2004 and 2005 seasons, we determined that it was unsafe to simply assume that historical averages still applied,' he says. 'We've since seen that today's activity has changed in other particular areas as well—with extreme rainfall events, such as the recent flooding in Boulder, Colorado, and with heat waves in certain parts of the world.' Muir-Wood puts his money where his mouth is. 'I personally wouldn't invest in beachfront property anymore,' he says, noting the steady increase in sea level we're expecting to see worldwide in the coming century, on top of more extreme storms. 'And if you're thinking about it, I'd calculate quite carefully how far back you'd have to be in the event of a hurricane.'"

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  1. You would trust insurance companies on this? by Chemisor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Insurance companies are always looking for an excuse to raise rates. They are not going to look for evidence against global warming when they can pretend that it has all been totally proven and tell clients that the risks are now sky high and, oh, by the way, your rates are now 60% higher to account for that.

    1. Re:You would trust insurance companies on this? by ILongForDarkness · · Score: 4, Insightful

      At best the types of data that insurance companies would collect would be measurements of effects not proof of a cause. All you can say about more storms hitting areas that you insure is that for some reason there is more storms lately. You can't say whether or not it is due to man made reasons, geological cycles, purple space gods that are angry that 30 Rock went off the air etc.

    2. Re:You would trust insurance companies on this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you really believe that, then your path to fortune is clear: start your own insurance company to compete with these bandits. If you think you can estimate risks more honestly and accurately than they do, you should be a billionaire within ten years.

    3. Re:You would trust insurance companies on this? by sysrammer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "'The first model in which we changed our perspective is on U.S. Atlantic hurricanes. Basically, after the 2004 and 2005 seasons, we determined that it was unsafe to simply assume that historical averages still applied,'"

      fwiw, I find this statement to be "controversy neutral".

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    4. Re:You would trust insurance companies on this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They changed it from "global warming" to "climate change" not because of an inaccuracy with the former term, but because dullards couldn't comprehend that global warming means global average and that certain areas will actually cool during this process. In other words, it was dumbed-down for people like you.

    5. Re:You would trust insurance companies on this? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Insurance companies are always looking for an excuse to raise rates.

      Go past the headline, and you'll learn that there's a lot more to insurance companies' reaction to climate change than rate increases.

      Insurance companies, energy companies, pharmaceuticals, even military contractors are all planning for climate change. For anthropomorphic climate change. The biggest companies worldwide are baking climate change into their plans for their future.

      So I guess you can say that even John Galt believes in climate change. But not publicly, because it's useful for the rubes to think it's all some bogus nonsense that the 95% of scientists who are obviously liberal cooked up to take away your freedoms.

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    6. Re:You would trust insurance companies on this? by WindBourne · · Score: 5, Insightful

      amazing.
      Scientists proclaim that climage change is occurring. Scientists are doing this for making money.
      American DOD studies it and proclaims that it is occuring and they need to be ready. Obviously, it is about making money.
      Insurance companies procmain that it is occuring and show evidence of it. Obviously, it is about making money.

      Then the oil companies and the GOP claim that it is not happening, and you claim that it is not about making money.

      Really? I guess that explains why we have creationism being pushed into schools.

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    7. Re:You would trust insurance companies on this? by IAmR007 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Climate modeling is definitely hard to do, but they definitely aren't worthless. So far, the models seem to have been underestimates, which may be problems with the models, or may indicate that we are underestimating global warming. Perhaps, if we can model the climate at or beyond the exascale, we will find that we don't need to be as cautious. For the meantime, though, I think it best to err on the side of caution.

  2. Re:The insurance message is ... by charles2678 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The downside is that their less-pessimistic competitors undercut them on rates and win big.

    Until, of course, the pessimistic view proves right, and those competitors go under. Or, if you're really pessimistic, get a bailout.

  3. Your knowledge from an insurance co? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seriously, you take their estimate of risk as gospel? Their goal is to collect as much as possible, and pay as little as possible. They are simply trying to hedge their bets on the collection side. Duh.

    And for the record, the Atlantic hurricane intensity has not increased one iota. That is a complete outright lie which they should know if they spoke to an actual expert on Atlantic basin hurricanes. The reason for larger payouts from damage in the past is that MORE people and expensive property are near the coast lines. They have been subsidizing bad behavior. Climate change is not the culprit there.

  4. We have this thing called "competition" by sirwired · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If another insurance company thinks climate change is a bunch of bunk, they can lower rates and steal business from the company that has reached the opposite conclusion.

    1. Re:We have this thing called "competition" by Chalnoth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The end result is still measurable in terms of profit. If there is no climate change, or it really isn't impacting severe weather, and insurance companies raise rates, then their profits will soar. If, instead, we have more severe weather and the insurance companies accurately predict it, their profits will remain about the same.

      I'm actually betting that they're going to have some severe financial troubles in aggregate, because I think the impact of global warming will be significantly worse than anybody's predicting. But we'll see.

  5. correction: anthropo-something by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Oh, you know else who is making business decisions based on a future of anthropogenic (sorry, I typed wrong) climate change?

    ADM, Monsanto, Dow Chemical. Companies that are involved in worldwide agribusiness. They're all betting heavily on climate change (the anthro-something one).

    But not you, because you know better and the AM radio told you so.

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  6. The irony by quantaman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is anyone else basking in the irony of all these pro-business AGW denialists suddenly trying to come up with excuses for why the market disagrees with them?

    You don't need regulation for anything, market forces keep companies honest and well behaved!! Except now... because insurance companies are somehow able to charge unnecessarily high premiums without being undercut by a competitor, or the government is making them overcharge or something...

    The market is right, unless is disagrees with you, and then it's wrong.

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  7. Re:Insurance companies are the biggest scam by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They exist to help it's customers in times of need, yet it's a for profit business. Those 2 do NOT work together.

    All businesses exist to help customers with their needs. Profits are a monetary signal that they're running the business correctly, and the incentive to put up the capital for risk in the first place.

    Real insurance is just a collective risk sharing pool with a management fee. Granted, regulatory agencies have made that simple reality as painful as possible.

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  8. Re:You missed a term by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I get the point but similarly large rainfalls occurred several times last century. About the same back in 1914.

    Part of the devastation is due to building in dry creek beds. So the level of damage is due to more humans and unwise building habits.

    Climate change has potentially contributed to these type of rainfall events being more likely (and I've seen some charts which support this-- things that used to happen every 20 year are now happening every 10 years- maybe even more often). I've seen the number "12% more likely for extreme weather to occur" for that area of the country. Those articles were less able to prove it was global warming (the old causality thing) but leaned towards believing it was.

    But you still shouldn't build below historically observed storm surge levels or historically observed flood zones. You WILL get heavy damage and flooding.

    At the least, the government shouldn't pay for disaster relief for a particular area more than once a generation.

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