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Martha Stewart Out To Exterminate Patent Troll Lodsys

McGruber writes "Gigaom's Jeff John Roberts reports that Martha Stewart Living Omnimedia, Inc. (MSLO) has filed a lawsuit against Lodsys, a shell company that gained infamy two years ago by launching a wave of legal threats against small app makers, demanding they pay for using basic internet technology like in-app purchases or feedback surveys. In the complaint filed this week in federal court in Wisconsin, Martha Stewart Living Omnimedia asked a judge to declare that four magazine iPad apps are not infringing Lodsys' patents, and that the patents are invalid because the so-called inventions are not new. The complaint explained how Lodsys invited the company to 'take advantage of our program' by buying licenses at $5,000 apiece. It also calls the Wisconsin court's attention to Lodsys' involvement in more than 150 Texas lawsuits. In choosing to sue Lodsys and hopefully crush its patents, Martha Stewart is choosing a far more expensive option than simply paying Lodsys to go away."

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  1. ...and suddenly by ZorinLynx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ....out of nowhere I have a heck of a lot more respect for Martha Stewart.

    It's like MAGIC!

    1. Re:...and suddenly by amiga3D · · Score: 5, Insightful

      One thing about Martha, she isn't about to take any crap off anyone. I think these assholes tried to shake down the wrong woman.

    2. Re:...and suddenly by SJHillman · · Score: 5, Funny

      "One thing about Martha, she isn't about to take any crap off anyone"

      She may not be taking the crap off anyone herself, but she's certainly willing to help.
      http://www.homedepot.com/p/Martha-Stewart-Living-Wayland-Double-Post-Toilet-Paper-Holder-in-Brushed-Nickel-AL-CLSPH-21/202761287#.UkYem0DE3_o

    3. Re: ...and suddenly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      She's probably going to get busted for shorting Lodsys stock right before she sued them.

    4. Re:...and suddenly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I've always had respect for Martha, yes she may be a bit of an elitist bitch, but she taught a generation of people (women and men) to cook and garden and fix up their houses, and she did it in a way that was accessible. She also paid the price for her arrogance and moved on. If she is willing to fight back against the trolls and stand up to their demands, It's a good thing!

    5. Re:...and suddenly by arth1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      One thing about Martha, she isn't about to take any crap off anyone.

      I doubt she's even aware. This is the company, not the person.

    6. Re:...and suddenly by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What I admired is how she opted to go to jail and serve out her sentence even though protested it. Yeah, she looks a bit cranky, but that took real backbone.

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    7. Re:...and suddenly by RazorSharp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How often does a company choose the greater loss to make a point without approval from the top? I'm sure, at the least, she's aware of the situation.

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    8. Re:...and suddenly by DarkFencer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I always had sympathy for her after her jail sentence. She went to jail for a MINOR insider trading case (where they couldn't even prove that, just obstruction of justice), while those who collapsed the economy got off scot free.

      Hope her company drives the patent trolls into the ground. And then she decorates the grave with some potpourri warning signs to other trolls or some such.

    9. Re:...and suddenly by Darinbob · · Score: 3, Funny

      I think she's got an old shiv she can sharpen up for the fight.

    10. Re:...and suddenly by Darinbob · · Score: 4, Funny

      We never did get to see any photographs of her jail cell. I wanted to see how fabulously it was decorated using only prison supplies.

    11. Re:...and suddenly by techprophet · · Score: 2

      At times I wonder if she even really did it or if someone framed her because she wouldn't give them a BJ. And then I take off my tin-foil hat....or do I?

    12. Re:...and suddenly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      She went to jail for a MINOR insider trading case (where they couldn't even prove that, just obstruction of justice),

      My understanding is that she went to jail for "lying" to Federal investigators, which is a felony. She said one thing, her stock broker said another. I suspect they wanted to teach her a lesson so they "believed" him and not her and off she went to the fed pen.

      They couldn't prove insider trading simply because she wasn't an insider at that company. That is she had no business or employment relationship at the company in question. She merely owned stock, which she sold after talking to her broker. I understand she did know the president of the company, but that doesn't make her an insider.

      I always thought it should have been her broker that should have served time. My understanding is she sold her stock based on his information and if that information was confidential, then wouldn't make him guilty of insider trading instead?

    13. Re:...and suddenly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I worked on her TV show for 4 seasons (which is why I'm posting as AC - you never know) - and I can assure you, not only is she aware, but once someone came to her with this, she became a driving force behind it. She may not understand the nitty-gritty details, but once she's been told that someone's fucking with her, there's no messing around. She's in it for the kill.

    14. Re:...and suddenly by Nyder · · Score: 4, Funny

      One thing about Martha, she isn't about to take any crap off anyone. I think these assholes tried to shake down the wrong woman.

      Martha is hard core. She's been to prison and everything. She will probably shiv one or more of them.

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    15. Re:...and suddenly by billstewart · · Score: 2

      My siblings and I used to joke about Evil Aunt Martha (she's no particular relation, except that all Stewarts are either descended from a 12th-century Scottish king or peasants on the land of his descendents, so we might be distantly related to her husband.)

      She's going to shiv Lodsys, and it'll look fabulous when she does, with legal papers that are black and white and red all over, in nice wintery colors.

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    16. Re:...and suddenly by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2, Informative

      Martha Stewart ended a thousand year galactic war with her apple dandies. These guys won't even see it coming.

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    17. Re: ...and suddenly by AK+Marc · · Score: 4, Informative

      She was never convicted of any trading issues. They convicted her of lying to the FBI.

    18. Re:...and suddenly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have a friend who worked for a couple of summers at her greenhouse and farmstand. This is basically minimum wage work at a small sideline business that isn't even supposed to make money so much as slightly offset the cost of having a full time maintenance and landscaping staff on her very large personal home and adjoining estate in Maine.

      My friend never directly reported to her, and only "met" her insofar as on a handful of occasions she saw fit to check on things or wanted to have a camera crew shoot something in that area, but there was never any question that Martha knew what was going on, knew my friend worked there and kept tabs on the staff.

      So anyway, yeah, I'd have to believe that legal at least ran this by her, and that she is ultimately calling the shots on this.

    19. Re: ...and suddenly by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Informative

      Interestingly enough, the director of the FBI lied to congress and nothing happened to him.

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  2. Martha Stewart suing Lodsys? by sconeu · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's a *GOOD* thing...

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  3. This really *should* end well! by pla · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Lodsys has finally encountered the perfect enemy - Queen bitch, completely self-absorbed, and very, very wealthy. Martha Stewart not only has the money, power, and influence to defend herself, but if she has taken personal offense to their tactics, she won't stop until she has completely and utterly destroyed Lodsys.

    Yay!

    1. Re:This really *should* end well! by solarium_rider · · Score: 2

      ...and she has experience with the US legal system!

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  4. Another Myhrvold front by oldhack · · Score: 5, Informative

    Wouldn't you know it, Lodsys is one of Myhrvold's shell entities.

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  5. Go Martha gobble... by gwstuff · · Score: 3, Funny

    Go Martha go-bble, yum, sorry, can't speak with my mouth full. Mouth watering. Delicious. Wow!

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  7. Re:Martha hates trolls by ScottCooperDotNet · · Score: 3, Funny

    But loves garden gnomes.

  8. Patents need to describe significant inventions by MetalOne · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It seems to me that congress needs to revise the rules for obtaining and holding patents. I think that if the subject being patented can be recreated simply by having seen it in action or by a reading of the requirements, then it does not deserve a patent. So stuff like one-click or side to unlock would be excluded. There needs to be real hard work put forth on something before it should be considered an invention. We need to stop patenting mere ideas and obvious stuff. The hard work part should not be based on how hard the patent holder worked, but on how hard a challenger to the patent would have to work. I do think a good system of rules would be hard to develop. The system should not be easily gamed. If it proves too difficult to write such a set of rules, then it seems to me that having a patent system is bad idea. Furthermore, most all inventions are going to be incremental improvements. Most fields have lots of people working in them. So if the increment of improvement is small and there are many people in the field, then clearly it won't be much work for others to achieve the same result, and hence the first to file concept seems grossly unfair. So now you have to decide what is a significant enough increment for something to warrant a patent. Perhaps if you have a mind like Tesla one could truly invent something stunning, but even then I have my doubts, for every Tesla there seems to a Marconi.

  9. Patent trolls really bit the wrong organization by Beeftopia · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They went after the National Association of Realtors. The fifth largest all-time donor to federal politicians since 1989.

    When big political donors get upset, politicians will act.

  10. Re:Don't Mess With Martha by Cstryon · · Score: 2

    It may cost more. But maybe she's also considering the principal of the matter. She could be thinking "this might cost me some money, but those (whatever language older....so nice women use) SOBs shouldn't get away with this". Plus it might give other trolls the idea that going after patents/sueing for bullshit claims may not always end in their favor. Kudos to her!

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  11. Long-term thinking by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is an example of long-term thinking.

    People only look at their personal short-term gain, with no thought about the long-term consequences. It's paying the Danegeld, nothing less.

    I read all the time about this-or-that injustice and oh! the outrage it sparks, but no one wants to do the right thing and fight because it's so hard!

    When a cop violates your civil rights, do you take him to court? If no one does, then cops feel free to do whatever they want, and rights violations are everywhere.

    When the BSA (business software alliance) demands to search your office without a warrant, when the RIAA offers to settle for less than the court costs, when the border patrol stops and searches your car, or when patent trolls demand license fees, it's all the same: bullies feel free to operate, it's the Danegeld in another form.

    If people stood up for their rights and took the bullies to task, there would be a lot less bullying. It would be expensive for the first few people, but in the long run it would be better for everyone. Consider it an investment in your childrens' future: if you fight now, they won't have to fight later.

    Next time you read about an injustice, think about what the victim could do to take the bullies to task. Then ask "why didn't they do that?"

    1. Re:Long-term thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >Next time you read about an injustice, think about what the victim could do to take the bullies to task. Then ask "why didn't they do that?"

      They answer is simple. The victim didn't have the financial resources to fight back. Justice in America is strictly pay-for-play.

    2. Re:Long-term thinking by Nivag064 · · Score: 2

      Rudyard Kipling got it right:

      http://www.poetryloverspage.com/poets/kipling/dane_geld.html
      [...]
      And that is called paying the Dane-geld;
          But we've proved it again and again,
      That if once you have paid him the Dane-geld
          You never get rid of the Dane.
      [...]

    3. Re:Long-term thinking by Nemyst · · Score: 2

      Usually, because "doing the right thing" is not rewarded by society. You maybe potentially would win something, probably not enough to recoup costs, and for most people you couldn't even go the entire way through before finding your entire life in ruins thanks to the runaway costs of the legal system. I'd be happy doing the right thing, but not if it costs me everything in the process.

      Note that there's a reason why trolls like Lodsys only sue small companies or even individuals. You never hear about them so they can't garner support and they don't have enough money to actually fight it out, so they just settle out of court and Lodsys can happily cash in. It's when a troll attacks a large company (or the rare small company with a lot of guts and the ability to kick a fuss and have it be heard) that things heat up.

  12. HQ approval by Firethorn · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You make a good point about the approval from the top, however calculating the 'greater loss' can be complex, especially if you're considering long term. Sort of like how many/most companies today will fight 'frivolous' lawsuits to the hilt - it's more expensive in the short term, against that litigator, yes, but in the long run if you're seen as a target you face so many more lawsuits it's actually cheaper to fight.

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    1. Re:HQ approval by Nerdfest · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Correct. Martha is not one of the typical fly-in CEOs that's there for 3 quarters and throws away the long term viability of the company for the quick profit. This is _her_ company.

    2. Re:HQ approval by pspahn · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If anyone would like more proof that it is her in charge, give "The Martha Rules" a read.

      Alternatively, if you don't give a shit about this but you're starting a small business, give it a read anyway, you'll thank her later.

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  13. Re:Don't Mess With Martha by NoKaOi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Plus it might give other trolls the idea that going after patents/sueing for bullshit claims may not always end in their favor. Kudos to her!

    In the bigger picture, it will only make a difference if the people responsible for Lodsys's antics are held personally responsible. Otherwise a troll isn't really going to care if their company goes under as long as they walk away with some money in the meantime.

  14. The feds and govt lie to us every day by cheekyboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So its ok for the feds to lie to us, for fbi to lie, for Obama to lie, its ok for all politicians to lie to everyone daily.

    Hey feds, the sky is red. Arrest me.

    All of the SEC is spineless and corrupt and a in cahoots with the corp elite.

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    1. Re:The feds and govt lie to us every day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Amen. She got busted because she was a successful woman. Not in the club, as George Carlin would say.

  15. Re:Don't Mess With Martha by Esion+Modnar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When it comes to patent trolls, you have not only to get their planes, but also target their parachutes. Total war.

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  16. Re:There is a big base at the south pole by brantondaveperson · · Score: 2

    who eats french stuff daily?

    Er. The French?

  17. Framed, because they had to get her for something by bradley13 · · Score: 2

    "Lying" to a federal investigator. Right.

    This was an FBI interview. The only record allowed at an FBI interview are the FBI's notes. You are not allowed any other record. So the record can say whatever they want it to say after the fact.

    The fed's started this high profile case against her, for whatever reason, and made a huge media splash. When it turned out that she hadn't actually done anything wrong, they were about to be left looking stupid. Can't have that, can we? So they nailed her on this completely irrelevant charge of having said something incorrect, during an interview where the only record was the set of notes taken by the people interviewing her.

    Even if the notes are accurate, what's with prosecuting someone for saying something incorrect? It may be a lie, it may be merely a mistake. You are not under oath, often the FBI intimidates people into giving interviews without their lawyers present. It's a sick business.

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  18. Re:Don't Mess With Martha by camperdave · · Score: 2

    Sadly, it does nothing to prevent another planeful from taking off. You need to target the airport that is allowing them to get off the ground in the first place: the patent system.

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