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Fusion "Breakthrough" At National Ignition Facility? Not So Fast

sciencehabit writes "One unintended effect of the U.S. federal shutdown is that helpful press officers at government labs are not available to provide a reality check to some of the wilder stories that can catch fire on the Internet. They would have come in handy this week, when a number of outlets jumped on a report on the BBC News website. The National Ignition Facility (NIF) at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California, it reported, had passed a 'nuclear fusion milestone.' NIF uses the world's highest energy laser system to crush tiny pellets containing a form of hydrogen fuel to enormous temperature and pressure. The aim is to get the hydrogen nuclei to fuse together into helium atoms, releasing energy. The BBC story reported that during one experiment last month, 'the amount of energy released through the fusion reaction exceeded the amount of energy being absorbed by the fuel — the first time this had been achieved at any fusion facility in the world.' This prompted a rush of even more effusive headlines proclaiming the 'fusion breakthrough.' As no doubt NIF's press officers would have told reporters, the experiment in question certainly shows important progress, but it is not the breakthrough everyone is hoping for."

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  1. Wait, The Internet? by toygeek · · Score: 4, Funny

    Blowing things out of proportion and bad reporting? Say it isn't so!

    1. Re:Wait, The Internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      But the 3D printing stories and private space fantasies are still safe, right?

    2. Re:Wait, The Internet? by lxs · · Score: 5, Funny

      Space elevator went live last week. Sadly some joker pressed all the buttons. At this rate they'll reach the moon by 2035.

  2. breakthrough I''m hopoing for? by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Funny

    not the breakthrough everyone is hoping for.

    The breakthrough I'm hoping for is cheap free fusion energy, generated in my backyard, from trash, branded "Mr Fusion."

    What is everyone else hoping for?

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    "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
  3. Blowing out of proportion by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 5, Informative

    There's a good discussion by Jeff Hecht in the Laser Focus World blog: "Progress at NIF, but no 'breakthrough'"
    http://www.laserfocusworld.com/articles/2013/10/progress-at-nif-but-no-breakthrough.html

    The amount of energy generated by fusion is quoted as having exceeded the amount of energy absorbed by the fusion fuel [my italics].

    The misleading part comes from the fact that the target absorbs only a small fraction of the energy in the laser pulse. The August experiments used a laser pulse of 1.7 million joules to generate 8000 joules of fusion energy (measured from neutron yield). So the fusion energy amounts to a few percent of the energy in the laser pulse (and much less if you account for the inefficiency of the laser).

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    1. Re:Blowing out of proportion by Mitchell314 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Like the Manhattan project?

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    2. Re:Blowing out of proportion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's not tough "science". The science is known since decades. It's tough ENGINEERING, which is another story altogether.

    3. Re:Blowing out of proportion by catmistake · · Score: 5, Funny

      So the fusion energy amounts to a few percent of the energy in the laser pulse (and much less if you account for the inefficiency of the laser).

      The estimates become even more dubious when you account for all the energy expended training, feeding and housing the sharks.

    4. Re:Blowing out of proportion by TapeCutter · · Score: 3, Informative

      That was actually a serious concern before we started blowing up Pacific islands for practice. It was thought that the bomb could trigger a chain reaction that fused all of the Nitrogen in the atmosphere in one very brief but spectacular flash of high energy radiation. Contrary to what some have claimed the boffins on the Manhattan project did not just cross their fingers and light the fuse, they rigorously demonstrated that it could not happen long before they had a working bomb. It's actually quite an interesting historical story and well worth a browsing in WP (ie: I can't be bothered looking it up and posting the links for you ;)

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  4. Re:My worry by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Funny

    My worry is that these people don't really know what they're doing, and that they're going to ignite a fusion reaction that will be self-feeding and turn our planet into a sun.
    This is one area of research where a mistake can really ruin the environment.

    Don't worry. All you need to do is unwrap the entire roll of aluminum foil and cover your whole body. You'll be safe then.

    From quite a lot of things, actually.

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  5. BBC reported correctly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    actually the BBC's story reports correctly -
    "The BBC understands that during an experiment in late September, the amount of energy released through the fusion reaction exceeded the amount of energy being absorbed by the fuel - the first time this had been achieved at any fusion facility in the world.

    This is a step short of the lab's stated goal of "ignition", where nuclear fusion generates as much energy as the lasers supply. This is because known "inefficiencies" in different parts of the system mean not all the energy supplied through the laser is delivered to the fuel."

    1. Re:BBC reported correctly by erice · · Score: 4, Informative

      actually the BBC's story reports correctly -
      "The BBC understands that during an experiment in late September, the amount of energy released through the fusion reaction exceeded the amount of energy being absorbed by the fuel - the first time this had been achieved at any fusion facility in the world.

      Actually, no. It still isn't correct.

      In 1995, scientists at Princeton’s TFTR achieved scientific break even, whereby their tokamak briefly produced as much energy as it consumed.

      So, not only is it not the breakthrough we were looking for, at best it replicated a feat achieved with a different technology nearly 20 years ago.

  6. Not there yet! by FoolishBluntman · · Score: 4, Informative

    The headline states, "the amount of energy released through the fusion reaction exceeded the amount of energy being absorbed by the fuel".

    This is not enough, they must be able to capture that energy and use it to produce the next laser implosion of the fuel.
    That will be a milestone.

    Also, since this is using a Deuterium-Tritium Fuel it produces very high energy neutrons which will help destroy the reactor much faster than in conventional fission reactions.

  7. this is SOP for these guys by Goldsmith · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I don't know if NIF is snakebit or just really good at putting out bad information, but this kind of distasteful and misleading marketing of science has been associated with them since their beginning. AAAS is being generous in assuming that their press department would have stepped in and clarified things.

    The truth of the matter is that NIF is run by Lawrence Livermore National Security Corporation, a private group formed by defense contractors and academics. They're managed this way specifically to separate themselves from the government. There are plenty of people who are not on the government payroll, who are there working right now, who could have stepped in and corrected everyone's misconceptions. They chose not to.

  8. Re:Actual gain 0.0077, small difference... by gman003 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yes, most of what the NIF does is actually weapons research. The fusion power stuff seems to be mainly a political ploy to get the Democrats to sign off on it - they're never going to get actual fusion power, meaning actually turning this power back into electricity, at NIF, and unless they know something big I don't, I doubt they ever will at any inertial confinement reactor. I only hope that they're able to do some solid fundamental research for fusion power using this.