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Google X Display Boss: Smartphones, Tablets, Apps Are "Mind-Numbing"

curtwoodward writes "Stop drooling over that new iPhone. Put away the fancy tablet. Because the real hardcore nerds find that stuff 'boring' and 'mind-numbing,' says Mary Lou Jepsen, head of the display division at secretive R&D lab Google X. At MIT's EmTech conference, Jepsen said the next generation of 'moonshot' tech is much more exciting and interesting. That includes Google X projects like the driverless car, Project Loon, a stratospheric balloon-based wireless network, and Google Glass."

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  1. Reener by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You had me until Google Glass. Until talking to yourself without a cell phone to your ear is socially acceptable, it's a niche gadget.

    1. Re: Reener by andy_spoo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's when you see someone stroking the side of it (to go through menus etc.) that makes the wearer look real creepy, especially if they're concentrating on the screen and haven't noticed there's a child standing in the front.

    2. Re:Reener by TheLink · · Score: 2

      Things like Google Glass actually have potential for significant human augmentation:
      http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3478821&cid=42956909

      Computers can do many savant-like tasks quite well.
      Add wireless tech plus suitable infra and you have savants with virtual telepathic and telekinetic powers*.

      * only in supported locations, YMMV ;).

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    3. Re:Reener by Dr+Max · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As much as i think google glass is just an old concept re-done (poorly in my opinion) by a new company with a lot of fans. I don't think the article is commenting about what is socially popular (that would be smartphones and tablets), more about what are cool gadgets to the tech elite and the future. Personally I agree, as i don't give a flying fuck that your smartphone has a slightly larger screen, and a 10% cpu power increase so all of your apps can load a bit quicker; Robots that can drive any where in the world, on their own, are much cooler (as with most robots/AI, heads up displays that aren't complete crap, wearable flexible tech, brain wave monitoring, solar powered drones that can loiter at 50 000 feet for 7 years, the list goes on).

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    4. Re: Reener by davester666 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Oh, they've noticed the child...why do you think they are initiating video recording?

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    5. Re:Reener by mcgrew · · Score: 2

      TFA's young author and the rest of you kids should read the journal I posted last Saturday, What a wondrous thing I have in my pocket!

    6. Re:Reener by radarskiy · · Score: 2

      "Until talking to yourself without a cell phone to your ear is socially acceptable"

      Until? Have you been outside in the past ten years?

  2. This just in by Aaron5367 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Another manager says their product is really exciting and interesting and everything else boring.

    1. Re: This just in by Camembert · · Score: 2

      I am not so cynical. I think that is good that people are working on the next level of devices. Wearable computing will be very big, even if it may not be in the form of google glass.

    2. Re:This just in by gargleblast · · Score: 2

      She had me until Driverless Car. I desire deeply to travel in one of those with my mind in a state of numbness.

    3. Re:This just in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's ok, download Dessert Bus for your phone

    4. Re:This just in by rtb61 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I desire to make a phone call, have it arrive within 10 minutes clean, take me to my destination and then allow me to forget it ever existed (screw parking), until I make the next call and wait 10 minutes (careful timing of making the call and walking to the pick up point could get that down to seconds).

      As for google glass, yeah I want some privacy invasive freak jamming adds into my eyeballs in accompaniment with maximum volume screaming "BUY THIS", all at random intervals, trust Google when they jump in bed with ALEC, FUCK THAT.

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    5. Re:This just in by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 3, Informative

      Another manager says their product is really exciting and interesting

      I would agree with you however MLJ is the same woman who designed the display on the OLPC which was quite remarkable at the time. It utilized 200dpi color while maintaining readability in direct sunlight while not being a crippling drain on the battery. Although google may pay her to hype up "Google X" , she is quite talented and innovative. It would be wise to give her the benefit of the doubt.

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  3. This just in by Narcocide · · Score: 2

    She's right about everyone else, but Google Glass is also boring.

  4. Truth by timeOday · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I looked at cnet.com a couple weeks ago and the whole site, almost every image on every story, was just a column of rectangle slabs, "mobile," "mobile," "mobile," and nothing else. All minor variations on the same thing. I'm sick of it.

  5. Overlooking an obvious fact by romit_icarus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It looks like she might have overlooked the glaringly obvious fact that the entire reason why Google X and her job position exist is because of "mind numbing" technologies that serve as ad serving platforms that get in revenue for Google. Ask her to get driverless cars, balloons and a headpiece to start generating income!

    1. Re:Overlooking an obvious fact by timeOday · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Automated cars will be a big source of revenue for google. The cars will be in constant communication with google's datacenters to provide mapping data - not just GPS street coordinates, but detailed imagery and geometry from lidar captured previously by the Street View cars - plus road conditions gleaned in real time from tens of thousands of cars (down to the level of street light timing a few intersections ahead on your path). Google may or may not produce any cars themselves, but all the automakers will license their data streams. How many other companies have gathered street-level lidar and imagery on practically every street in the world and have the datacenters to process and serve it globally in real-time?

    2. Re:Overlooking an obvious fact by epyT-R · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Oh goody. I can't wait to purchase one of these things. It's got all the tracking and remote control the wannabe KGB types running this country would want, google selling my location and destination information to all interested private parties, and it participates in the privacy rapage of anyone it happens to drive by.

    3. Re:Overlooking an obvious fact by timeOday · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Car automation will have a lot of utility to a lot of people long before it is able to handle the worst winter conditions. But sooner or later an automated car with radar, IR, and visible light sensors ought to be able to see better than a person who only has visible light. (People may get IR heads-up-displays and so forth, but those sensors will be usable by AI drivers, too...)

    4. Re:Overlooking an obvious fact by timeOday · · Score: 4, Interesting

      For better and/or worse, collecting and aggregating data is becoming so easy (or practically unavoidable) that I doubt there will be much difference in privacy between manual and automated cars (i.e. if there is any, it will only be by virtue of regulation). Already today, at this moment, most drivers are tracked by the cellphones they carry in their pockets, simply by virtue of associating with the nearest cell tower so incoming calls can be routed to them, and this creates a record of where you go and how fast you are going.

    5. Re:Overlooking an obvious fact by Gavagai80 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Humans will never be able to drive in the winter, because the windshield will be covered in snow so you can't see out. I'm not seeing how this problem is any harder for a machine, especially since you already rely on mechanical wipers to solve it for you.

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    6. Re:Overlooking an obvious fact by ozmanjusri · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Driverless cars will not do very well in the winter.

      They'll drive better than people in the winter.

      Snow on the car image sensors will make the car blind.

      That's possible, but I suspect Google engineers would be able to rig up some sort of wiper system... Sarcasm aside, they'll be able to use far better snow clearing systems than we can now, with spinning lenses, lasers etc that would be impossible to implement with human drivers.

      Ice on the road will be nearly impossible for the car to distinguish.

      Road ice is clearly visible using infrared thermometry, but not in visible light. The car will see it more clearly than you will.

      I wish I could be more optimistic but driverless cars will be as useful as google glass appears to be.

      Both of these things are taking their first tottering steps down what looks like a very long path. They are enabling technologies that will change as our society works out how we want to use them.

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    7. Re:Overlooking an obvious fact by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      An the in-car navigation can serve up some sponsored search results, too. They could even make arrangements with radio stations to perform advert substitution - the station sends the time and duration of adverts to google, and when listening the car radio can transparently dub them over with new adverts custom-targetted at the car occupents. As those adverts are targetted, they'd be worth a lot more than untargetted broadcasts.

    8. Re:Overlooking an obvious fact by Dr+Max · · Score: 2

      The computers are already pretty good (google's car has driven well over a million miles now, and has only had one accident, which was the other car's fault any way). Now even if it's not better than the best human driver (which shouldn't be impossible, there are already lots of driving that a computer can do better like launch assist, abs breaks, Parallel parking, gear shifting as vw is down to 0.2 of a second or something now), it'll be better than the average driver that occasionally talks on their cell phone and changes lanes without indicating. I won't be paying my hard earned money on it till it can pick me up from the pub, and take my drunk ass home. However if you do get a driver assist (licensed driver still needed behind the wheel) car model, and the accident is the fault of the car, i think you can expect the car manufacture to pay up as quickly as possible to keep it quiet; we all saw what happened with Toyota and the accelerator with a mind of it's own debacle.

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    9. Re:Overlooking an obvious fact by trackedvehicle · · Score: 2

      It looks like she might have overlooked the glaringly obvious fact that the entire reason why Google X and her job position exist is because of "mind numbing" technologies that serve as ad serving platforms that get in revenue for Google. Ask her to get driverless cars, balloons and a headpiece to start generating income!

      She didn't say anything that would indicated that she overlooked what you mention. She stated her opinion about how cool the new technologies her group is working on, are compared to the incremental progress in tablet, mobile phone and apps development. Oh, you though she has a contractual obligation to be politically correct towards her employer? That may or may not be the case (I guess no), but it has nothing to do with whether she overlooked something.

      You know, not always do people feel like kissing someone else's ass, when expressing an opinion. Sometimes people are, you know, genuine.

    10. Re:Overlooking an obvious fact by DrXym · · Score: 2
      Every single day I come across scenarios which would be intractible for a driverless car. Crossroads where the lights are out, blocked off lanes, trash or other debris in the road, narrow roads with parked cars, pedestrians striding out into the road, or looking as though they might but who are actually waiting for a bus, lack of road markings, accidents etc.

      I don't consider a fully self driving is even remotely capable of coping with real life conditions. It's more likely that vehicles will gain advanced driver assist modes, which in some limited circumstances can do pretty much everything e.g. maybe a highway mode maintains a safe speed and distance, parking assistance, emergency halts / skid control - that sort of thing. But there will still have to be a sober, alert driver behind that wheel at all times. Completely autonomous self driving vehicles are still a pipe dream.

  6. Project Loon by lxs · · Score: 2

    Are they cloning Sergei Brin?

    1. Re:Project Loon by OhANameWhatName · · Score: 2

      Are they cloning Sergei Brin?

      Damn it! Don't give them ideas.

  7. Thanks for the Google ad. by doctor+woot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm sure glad, as a nerd, that Ms. Jepsen took the time to inform me there are projects in the works that I can get really excited about without actually telling me what they are, just after making condescending remarks aimed at consumer electronics and just before extolling the genius of Google's new cell phone that holds itself up to your face. Because I am a nerd these things really appeal to me. Thank you Ms. Jepsen and Mr. Woodward, you guys are really nerds like me.

  8. Useful = boring by fruitbane · · Score: 3, Interesting

    She seems to be telling us that when technology finally becomes useful enough to be mainstream, it's boring. OK, fine, I can accept that, somewhat. But the point of developing something new and "exciting" is so that someday it will be mundane and boring. And when Google spends all their time on the new, that makes more room for others to innovate with the "old".

  9. She has a point by Camembert · · Score: 3, Interesting

    She has a point that it may be boring for intelligent engineers to work on yet another new, incrementally better iteration of a smartphone, tablet or laptop. Many consumerss, me included are not that in awe anymore of a somewhat better new generation of iphone, galaxy, ipad, thin laptop etc. They were very good before and are now a bit better. Hence her research might be interesting, but I am not sure that Google Glass will be the answer. Now I am not as cynical as many on /. - I think that moving towards near-invisible wearable computing is a very exciting next step and I am curious what she and companies like Apple will eventually come up with.

  10. "bored out of her mind"?? by Dahamma · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A laptop is a TOOL. A cellphone is a TOOL. When you need them to be the entertainment in themselves you have issues.

    “I interviewed a month ago a recent college graduate from Stanford—a mechanical engineering degree. She was already on her third cellphone or laptop and bored out of her mind,” Jepsen said. “She graduated in 2010. I think it gets depressing. It was so exciting three years ago.”

    Three years ago your cellphone and laptop were "exciting", but now they are "boring"? If you are talking about building them - maybe. But using them? If the form factor of your computers and communication devices are boring you "out of your mind", maybe that's your problem more than the devices'.

    1. Re: "bored out of her mind"?? by Camembert · · Score: 2

      Yes they are useful tools and at the same time it is good that these people are working on a fundamentally next level kind of tool.

    2. Re:"bored out of her mind"?? by OhANameWhatName · · Score: 5, Funny

      A laptop is a TOOL. A cellphone is a TOOL.

      Pop quiz, Mary Lou Jepsen is .........

  11. As others said... Google glass? by Karmashock · · Score: 2

    Yeah, tablets and apps are not as impressive as people think. That said, google has given birth to some absolute duds.

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  12. The future is, of course, Teledildonics by mveloso · · Score: 4, Funny

    All that other stuff is bullshit. Once you combine teledildonics with direct brain stimulation, it's game over man.

  13. Comfortably Numb, or Anesthetisensational?! by VortexCortex · · Score: 4, Funny

    What utter bull sack! I'll have you know I hand craft the kerning of my fonts with painstaking attention to detail, and sculpt those myriad of pixel perfect displays and animations a single frame at a time. When it all comes together right in some yuppie's eye, IT IS Exhilarating!

    The only thing more exciting than building those big, beautiful, almost intuitive, displays is making the tools one uses to make them:
    A P fucking I's!!!

    Why, I once met a guy who helped standardize IEEE 1364...
    That's Verilog to you philistines.
    He was a veritable volcano of vivacity whose smile beamed with the brilliance of a billion bacon breakfasts.

    The further down you go the more excited the turtles are!

  14. Re:It is mind-numbing, let's face it by Animats · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Maybe not so much excitement. Our vehicles have already learned to maintain speed, enhance braking, honk-and-flash when the door is opened from the inside after the key's been out of the ignition too long, detect road obstacles and now can take over parking.

    It's all incremental improvement, like the cinder-block-to-pocket-slate cell phone evolution.

    There are already vehicle "autopilot" systems good enough to allow the driver to stop looking at the road some of the time. Radar-controlled cruise control plus lane keeping is enough to allow that. But it's not enough to prevent accidents caused by even slightly difficult situations. Several car companies have shipped "driving assist" systems which can do that, but they've deliberately kept them from operating with no driver input. Ford, Mercedes, BMW, and Audi have all stopped just before hands-off driving.

    The auto industry recognizes that there is a "deadly valley" that begins when a vehicle "autopilot" is good enough to allow the driver to stop looking at the road some of the time. On the other side of the deadly valley is fully hands-off autonomous driving, which Google almost has now. We will see commercilaly successful systems on the other side of the deadly valley within the next decade.

    Systems that operate in the "deadly valley" will make things worse, for obvious reasons.

  15. What's Missing by The+Cat · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Visicalc was invented in 1979.

    It was written by two hard-working geniuses who busted ass for months and months to get it to work. Visicalc changed the world.

    The reason they were able to write this software is because the Apple II had the tools to do so. If you had an Apple II, you had everything you needed to develop new software for it. Same goes for the PC.

    Mobile phones and tablets have no such tools. They are locked, proprietary devices forbidden to developers. They use locked, proprietary programming languages, obscure, flabby and inconsistent APIs and cannot communicate with anything but the "cloud."

    They also suck ass as computing platforms. Their operating systems are shit packed on top of shit, and their hardware is flimsy plastic shit to go with it.

    Mobile phones and tablets are fiddly little distraction machines that function as brightly colored noisy little pets. They are nothing more than over-engineered tamogatchis. They are useless for real work, especially compared to open platforms like the PC. At best, they are a good place to store phone numbers. They also give teenage girls a way to drain their parents' wallets by sending nonsense to each other 24 hours a day for $1500 a megabyte.

    The "post-PC world" is a marketing slogan designed to get you back on the upgrade treadmill and wanting the next version of the device you bought last month.

    The difference is mobile devices cannot replace or even occasionally substitute for the PC, because there is no mobile device software that even remotely compares to the world-changing technology the PC made possible.

    What was the last "visicalc-level" software title developed from scratch? I'm going to say the last of them debuted in the mid 1990s. With the exception of FOSS, there hasn't been shit developed for any platform since. It's like the fucking software industry was unplugged in the late 90s. (Gee, I wonder why?)

    The worst part is, anyone in their teens or early 20s right now is so distracted by Unity and HTML5 and Haskell and all the other flavors of proprietary dumbfuckery that they will never learn why things work on a computer.

    And that's a fucking shame.

    1. Re:What's Missing by minniger · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Heh.

      The everlasting rant of one generation of tech to the n+1 generation. I'm with you buddy. But I suspect we could hit the usenet archive and find something very similar to this, but from 1986. And then again in 1995 and again in 2002.

      99% of people probably can't open the hood of their car without some help. Heck, it's been several years since I have.

      I don't think we're seeing the end of the hard core nerds that make things work. We're seeing the expansion of the pool of people who are building things. Not all care about low level stuff. But they can build some really nice high level stuff, stuff that us low level guys will never bother with.

  16. Google glass is a terrible design by Dr+Max · · Score: 2

    Google glass is possibly the worst version of a heads up display i have seen. I love the idea of a hud but i wouldn't buy glass if it was $50. Give me a proper set of glasses that fold, with 2 screens for 3d, display in the middle of each eye for better augmented reality/comfort and clear and see through (we have this technology), oh and if you can squeeze it in, some kind of 'leap motion' like control input, so you can touch/gesture control the virtual image.

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  17. airships by crhylove · · Score: 2

    Autonomous solar power airships are a much better idea. Navigation would be easier and you end a lot of other driving problems on the way.

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  18. Great! by nospam007 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Instead of working on mind-numbing and boring smartphones and pads, I'll work for balloon-based wireless transponders for those mind-numbing and boring gadgets.
    Hurray!

  19. Re:This passes for 'new and exciting'? by doom · · Score: 2

    Is this where you want to keep your 'wearable device'?

    It doesn't much appeal to me, no, but then I'm not exactly the target market for any of this stuff. It is clear to me though, that the ergonomics of the hand-helds that everyone is so excited about really suck: I see people on the train holding their phones up in front of their face, bracing their hand with their other hand, just so they can keep their heads upright for awhile.

    On the other hand, I already hate the fact that I'm out riding a bicycle, sharing the road with people who keep looking down to check their messages. Google Glass is only going to make this kind of behavior worse, as people tell themselves they can keep their eye on the road and text at the same time. Maybe they're holding up the rollout of Glass until the robot cars are ready...