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Nobel Winners Illustrate Israel's "Brain Drain"
barlevg writes "Two of the three scientists sharing this year's Nobel Prize in Chemistry have Israeli citizenship, with Dr. Arieh Warshel having been born and educated in Israel, yet both are based at universities in the United States. These two scientists are perhaps the highest profile examples of a growing problem in the so-called "start-up nation," which is known for its high-tech tech companies and scientific innovation, and yet which loses more researchers to emigration than any other western nation. The problem? Large salary gaps between US and Israeli institutions. As Daniel Hershkowitz, president of Bar-Ilan University put it, 'I don't see Israel being able to compete with what they offer in the United States.'"
With all of the $Billions we send to that country every SINGLE YEAR, they still can't manage to pay their own citizens a decent wage?
"The problem? Large salary gaps between US and Israeli institutions. "
Nothing to do with the social/political situation in the middle east? I know the USA social and political situation is kind of crazy, but it seems to be a bit saner at the level of organized groups trying to kick each other off this or that piece of land. I suspect that this has at least SOME effect on people's decisions to emigrate.
Don't be ridiculous. Fields that are in high demand always lose workers overseas when the pay is better there.
And stop calling them "settlers." They aren't "settlers" they are land grabbers stealing land from Palestinians.
TFA mentioned 'large salary gaps' as a problem in certain areas (like finance); but other factors in areas like the sciences (a successful academic career isn't penury; but the cash per unit effort and talent is kind of mediocre).
Particularly for the scientists and other less-likely-to-be-salary-motivated types, I have to wonder if it suggests that the quality of life, at least for people of the class who have options, that a small country in a mostly-hostile neighborhood can offer just isn't that high.
In the US, for instance, there is a lot of migration, from state to state, or even within the larger states, that would count as 'brain drain' except that the US is huge so both the origin and the destination are American for accounting purposes.
By area, Israel is just slightly larger than Massachusetts, which isn't exactly a big state(and, although it scores pretty well on academic opportunities, quality of life, etc. is hardly retains all the people born there, nor is it even imaginable how it could be world-class at enough things to do so, you can only fit so much, and there is plenty of competition with other virtues).
I'll second that with my userid visible despite the ramifications.
Your stereotypes are just Yellin` out TROLLLLLLOP!
The article is intentionally misleading (as many "journalishtick" works are these days).
Take the CIA and brain-drain for example; the CIA has over 500 agents working in Paris, France, but the ACTUAL data gathered by the CIA Paris offices is slightly less than what mossad gathers, with its 100 agents. The reason for this is because the mossad works within the community, co-opting many people. Heres how it works, most of French-Jewry have some link in the holocaust, and their perception of mossad is as a sort of protector; other people are paid, either in cash, goods, or business opportunities; yet other people are coerced into cooperating with mossad, and yet others are intimidated.
Despite their having a smaller station (and less staff), the data they gather usually surpasses that of the CIA, MI6 or the FSB (and the three big boys usually get most of their data stolen by mossad).
Ask jonathan pollard if he feels he was wrong to do what he did.... the usnavy should run a tightship, but enevitably immigrant and marginalised peoples have greater loyalties elsewhere than to their host nation; that is how mossad works.
Now, israeli brain drain is much, much different from, say, India. The ratio of car-owners-to-households can tell you that.
So these "enterprising young israelis", often with impressive CV`s (resumee) citing "highly disciplined team-player" from their army Kernel, some references from well-respected figure in the target industry, these young israelis get great jobs in the west, they have intricate and infallible social-support-networks.
As the English say (and Sacha Baron Cohen is an israeli, not English), "at the end of the day,"
These perps lie and decieve labour-forces and investors, fraudulently float in IPO`s, make billions off the backs of the aforementioned, and then "retire" or hightail it back to their little tax-haven-offshore-stolen-data-safehouse in the Eastern Medditerranean, juST LIKE MEYER LANSKY AFTER HE RIPPED OFF THE MOB.
Go figure, and stop Yellen "race"!
well fished, Fishman!
You do know the red threat basically ended almost a quarter a century ago? The only thing socialism threatens you with now is better healthcare, and welfare (at a price, admittedly).
Socialism =/= Big government.
The only way for socialism to work is via big government because it requires that the government take-to-give. Heck, the two largest budget items are Medicare/Medicaid and Social Security, which are both insolvent. And yes, both are even larger than Defense spending (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:U.S._Federal_Spending_-_FY_2011.png).
What you meant was Socialism =/= Communism, which is just socialism enforced by a government that controls all of the businesses.
What the US needs is less government, which includes a smaller defense budget, as well as less interference through social programming (intentionally not "programs"). The idea that we cannot go back to even 2008 levels of spending--before the supposedly one-time bailouts and otherwise huge deficits--is ludicrous. Socialism will break the back of an already weakened economy that cannot support the government that does not even bother trying to support itself by avoiding disgustingly high deficits.
It may have to do with the aggressiveness that this tiny country keeps using to conquer all the prime farming and building land at it's border for the pas 60 years. People kind of resent it if you do that and tend to attack you to take the land back. They'll stop that after a few dozen years if you stop taking land, usually, if we may believe history. However, if you do it again and again, you just keep adding enemies to replace the ones that have died from old age. Maybe that's a practice Israel should consider, if it has to spend so much money on "defence".
I was promised a flying car. Where is my flying car?
Of course it's "Western". They are moving the Indians to the reservations and then taking over the best parts of the reservations by force without even handing over a fistfull of dollars.
It has very little to do with salary. Nobel-level researchers could earn a hundred times as much by going into banking, if that's what they wanted.
It's about living environment, resources provided to academics, political outlook, and any number of things which normal people not simplifying humans to cogs in a machine use when deciding where to settle. America's response to technically brilliant (though rarely to socially brilliant) people has always been, "Sure, come here and we'll let you do your shit. What do you need? No problem."