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Dataland: the Emerging Dystopia

An anonymous reader writes "Winston Smith, the protagonist of George Orwell's novel 1984, resorted to hiding the bushes with his lover in a failed attempt to escape the government's ubiquitous surveillance. Orwell was concerned with totalitarianism and explicit thought control enforced by police action. While that is still very much an issue for many of the world's residents, here in the West there is an unsettling feeling about a more subtle form of thought manipulation, as more and more of our activities are watched, cataloged, and analyzed by more and more institutions — governments, businesses, non-profits, political parties, mostly for predictive purposes. At least we have a name for it now: 'Dataland', a term suggested by Kate Crawford of Microsoft Research, who studies the sociological effects of networking technologies. Crawford has been written up in Slashdot before. She's criticized the indiscriminate adoption of Big Data analytics on several grounds, including the loss of anonymity, erroneous conclusions from skewed datasets, and the prospect of secret discrimination."

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  1. Predictive purposes? by m00sh · · Score: 4, Informative

    Reminds me of Google's data collection on its hard disk failures and hiring good programmers.

    They couldn't find any sort of predictive factor. GPA, brain teasers etc had zero correlation. There was no hiring person that had statistically better performance at hiring good programmers.

    There are some things that are just random.

    Perhaps being able to predict accurately is the flying car of our generation. Or, perhaps some will say the answer is more data.

    1. Re:Predictive purposes? by Mirey · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's not really the same. Human behaviour is not inherently random. The lottery is. If I've bought a coffee every day for the last year, it's quite likely I'll buy one tomorrow. I thought everyone knew about Bayes?

    2. Re:Predictive purposes? by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, no; lottery numbers are known to be random. With human behaviour you at least have the underlying assumption that there are habits being picked up on. If all big data studies were as fruitless as your friend, the investments into the necessary infrastructure and algorithms wouldn't have made it nearly as far as they have. They do, however, find a lot of stupid correlations.

      But much more importantly, the desire to find these correlations is potentially profound in its ability to damage society. The whole scheme is an effort to cheat the normal boundary of personal space in order to optimize business and surveillance efficiency. If this erosion spreads into everyday interactions between people, it'll be the end of trust. To fix it, we'd need who-knows-how-many Hollywood blockbusters about noble savages re-teaching the West how to act like decent human beings.

      Perhaps if these businesses and government agencies were more willing to act like your friend and actually accept that life involves risk, we wouldn't be heading down this slippery slope so quickly.

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    3. Re:Predictive purposes? by amaurea · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Using the past to predict the future" is what we usually call "learning". Even goldfish and flies to it, and it has brought us all our science and technology. Why do people exit the door at the ground floor rather than windows 5 stories up? Because past experiences has taught us that things fall down, and that falling far is harmful. Why do you type words rather than random chains of letters? Because you predict from past data that people in the future will be able to read and understand them. Even the fact that lottery numbers are impossible to predict is a prediction about the future we make based on physical understanding (which we have learnt from data from the past) coupled with data about how the lottery process works.

      You probably didn't mean to make as strong a statement as what you did but you basically said the single most anti-intellectual thing is is possible to say.

    4. Re:Predictive purposes? by m00sh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's not really the same. Human behaviour is not inherently random. The lottery is. If I've bought a coffee every day for the last year, it's quite likely I'll buy one tomorrow. I thought everyone knew about Bayes?

      It is not fully predictive though.

      One day, for whatever reason, you will stop buying coffee. That approximate day that will happen is not predictable because it is random.

      So, you buying coffee tomorrow is quite predictable. You buying coffee 5 years from now is not.

  2. Re:Dataland or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying... by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sadly not; at best you can only exclude yourself from certain demographics. That does you no good if they're looking for those demographics. The genie isn't back in the bottle.

    At worst, the category "random/unclassifiable" gets flagged as suspicious in itself. (And no points for being an avowed Communist, even if you are reverent towards the Protector of Mexico.)

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  3. Re:A data score? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The nice thing about inaccuracy is that (as long as you are tactful in your exploitation of the data) the user will never know if you fuck up; and if it becomes 'common knowledge' that people shrouded in mystery are usually passed over in favor of transparent choices, we'll probably start seeing advice on 'building persona', just as we currently have people interacting with financial institutions purely for the purpose of 'building a credit score'.

  4. You have no record? by fustakrakich · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The absence of data is even more suspicious. No facebook, gmail or Linkedin account? Not carrying your cell phone or laptop when entering the country? What are you trying to hide? I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think you can put enough chaff into the system to make a difference. The botnets can sort it out pretty quickly.

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  5. Re:Bushes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Winston Smith . . . . . resorted to hiding the bushes with his lover "

    I don't remember any bushes in that story.

    You know, neither did I, so I checked and there was a new paged taped in with bushes in the story. I guess I was wrong, there were always bushes in the story.

  6. Re:Bushes? by SeaFox · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Winston Smith . . . . . resorted to hiding the bushes with his lover "

    I don't remember any bushes in that story.

    Exactly. Because Winston hid them, you never saw them.

  7. PROTIPS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    +Turn On Mobile Phone only a few times a day to check for new calls.
    + Use Cash as far as possible
    + TOR

  8. Re:Dataland or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying... by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Sadly not; at best you can only exclude yourself from certain demographics.

    I've come to the conclusion that the best way (as an individual) to handle this sort of thing is to create personas for different contexts. You'll need fake ids, but you won't be using them for anything technically illegal (no fraud, no underage drinking). You just show them to people/systems that want the info to track you - like loyalty cards (that you then only use with cash).

    That way you end up with a handful of distinct personas that all have data trails but only have data trails in specific contexts so that cross-referencing is impossible.

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  9. Re:Dataland or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Are you sure that cross checking is impossible?

    https://panopticlick.eff.org/

    And that's just one example. Truly big data will be essentially impossible to hide from completely. It doesn't need to reach a 100% positive result before people start treating it like it is, and that's only one possible problem that we should fully expect to arise from this.

    Here's another that could make your idea less effective as well:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/15/business/attention-shopper-stores-are-tracking-your-cell.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

  10. Prediction Troubles. Manipulation Destroys by jimbrooking · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We wring our hands at the accursed sellers and buyers of our browsing habits. We glibly ignore what happens when we sit for a few hours in front of a television screen. Knowing our browsing habits gets us targeted ads. Getting our minds in a receptive mood by showing the trash that passes for content on commercial TV, then cramming crafty advertising into those receptive minds impels us to do things we wouldn't be predicted to do, which is manipulation.

    Why do Americans lust after 2-ton gas-guzzlers to taxi the kids to school and fetch a couple of bags of groceries from the supermarket? Why does PHaRMA spend untold billions advertising expensive drugs that, in many cases, are no more effective than over-the-counter remedies? Why do so many of our people live in McMansions so expensive they are a paycheck away from foreclosure? Because advertising to minds pried open by "must-see" TV works.

    The TV tells them what they want and how to get it - no money down, pennies per week. And this relentless barrage of hard, soft, and subliminal sales messages passes into the TV-watcher's mind with nothing getting in the way like critical thinking, priorities, or social or environmental concerns.

    We ought to be more worried about what 10-20 hours watching TV every week is doing to us and our society than whether Google is showing us an ad for suntan lotion after we've booked a trip to the Caribbean.