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Court Rules Probable-Cause Warrant Required For GPS Trackers

schwit1 tips this news from Wired: "An appellate court has finally supplied an answer to an open question left dangling by the Supreme Court in 2012: Do law enforcement agencies need a probable-cause warrant to affix a GPS tracker to a target's vehicle? The justices said the government's statement 'wags the dog rather vigorously,' noting that the primary reason for a search cannot be to generate evidence for law enforcement purposes. They also noted that 'Generally speaking, a warrantless search is not rendered reasonable merely because probable cause existed that would have justified the issuance of a warrant.' The justices also rejected the government's argument that obtaining a warrant would impede the ability of law enforcement to investigate crimes."

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  1. More importantly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Even if it would impede law enforcement's ability to investigate crimes, we must recognize that freedom is simply more important.

    1. Re:More importantly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Astonishing isn't it? Warrantless searches are, themselves crimes. LEO are saying that they need to commit crimes in order to investigate crimes. I hate Law Enforcement Officers. I respect Police Officers. There is a fundamental difference between the two. One who identifies as a Police Officer recognizes that they are to serve the public by helping to keep the peace. One who identifies as a Law Enforcement Officers proclaims himself to be a tool of the state, to enforce any dictate of the state, no matter how offensive to the concept of a free people. Law Enforcement Officers (I'm Law Enforcement, we need to get Law Enforcement here, don't defend yourself - wait for Law Enforcement) need to be publicly shamed.

    2. Re:More importantly... by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Even if it would impede law enforcement's ability to investigate crimes, we must recognize that freedom is simply more important."

      Convenience of law enforcement is NEVER justification for diminishing citizen's rights.

      The government has often tried to use this argument in the past. "If we cannot do this, it is just too hard to catch criminals." Note that this excuse can ALWAYS be argued, no matter how many powers you give the police. That makes it one of those constant pressures that must be resisted at all costs.

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    3. Re:More importantly... by icebike · · Score: 2

      Astonishing isn't it? Warrant-less searches are, themselves crimes.

      The problem is that warrant-less searches are not themselves crimes. Not in any jurisdiction I'm aware of.

      They are simply inadmissible as evidence.

      The act itself might be chargeable as breaking and entering, but in the present case, nothing was broken into, and no place was entered.
      Our constitution forbids some powers from being used by the government, but never lists any penalties.
      Consequently, things like secret tracking to discover a crime without a warrant is inadmissible, but not punishable.

      Once a police action is inadmissible you expect it to stop, but the police have turned to "parallel construction" to hide these practices, so they continue to be done in the background.

      And there are seldom any penalties for officers or departments involved.

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  2. Let's see if I got this by HangingChad · · Score: 5, Insightful

    the primary reason for a search cannot be to generate evidence for law enforcement purposes.

    So, we don't have any evidence now so we'll attach this GPS tracker to their car and then we'll have evidence that justifies tracking their car!

    Law enforcement logic.

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    1. Re:Let's see if I got this by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, that's exactly what they've been saying.

      "If we can't monitor you to prove you're doing something bad, we'll never be able to know".

      Law enforcement and governments have decided it's too inconvenient to follow the procedural rules which have been established, and more or less started trying to make the case for just bypassing them out of convenience.

      And, sadly, some of the courts seem stacked with people inclined to just say "well, if you're law enforcement, go ahead".

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    2. Re:Let's see if I got this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Now lets hope they extend that logic to the NSA fishing though our email and giving the results to law enforcement for parallel construction.

    3. Re:Let's see if I got this by Somebody+Is+Using+My · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And - as importantly - let's hope NSA and the other Three-Letter-Agencies actually obey these laws.

      Unfortunately, because they so often operate in secret, it's very hard to monitor their compliance. And as we've seen repeatedly throughout the last century, they are quite willing to bend or break the law to achieve their goals.

      So while it's great that a judge has smacked down local police's ability to tag innocent civilians with warrentless-GPS trackers (whose activities have to be revealed in court), it likely does little or nothing to stop the Federal agencies from continuing to do the same.

    4. Re:Let's see if I got this by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 3, Informative

      Law enforcement logic.

      "These guys have it coming".

      To even be in law enforcement, you have to drink vigorously from the cup of ends-justify-the-means.

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    5. Re:Let's see if I got this by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The courts have long been like a Range Safety Officer who hasn't seen something go wrong in so long that they just skim the safety plans and supporting documentation.

      The problem is that at least for the Range Safety Officers, when something goes wrong, the blame immediately falls on them. With the courts, it's not often easy to know when something goes wrong, and even when you do know, blame rarely falls back on the courts.

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    6. Re:Let's see if I got this by intermodal · · Score: 2

      The entire point of the fourth amendment was to shoot down the exact logic law enforcement (and the NSA) use for this kind of stuff..

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  3. govt logic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    Obtaining a warrant would impede our ability to conduct warrantless searches!

  4. Can you climb into the backseat and hide? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As a GPS tracker is simply a proxy for a person hiding in the car and tagging along for the ride, writing down everyplace you go, the answer to this question has always been pretty self-evident to me. You need a warrant.

    1. Re:Can you climb into the backseat and hide? by currently_awake · · Score: 2

      If a police officer is following a car and it goes onto private property he needs a search warrant (or permission) to follow. I see no reason to give a GPS tracker special dispensation around that issue.

  5. It's about time. by nctritech · · Score: 2

    Warrantless GPS data should be considered testimony for real privacy to start seeping back into the "justice" system. The same should be true for devices which track your miles traveled per trip or your cell phone location information or so-called "metadata" about who you call or where you swipe your credit card. If the cops want to see it, there must be a warrant and you must be provided with a copy of that warrant. I see no problem with this. I also think the "it makes it hard to investigate" line is ridiculous; after all, you refusing to give up your fifth amendment rights makes it hard to investigate as well, and I don't see anyone ACTIVELY trying to get rid of those. Behind the scenes when they think we aren't looking, they're working on it...

    1. Re:It's about time. by jimbolauski · · Score: 2

      after all, you refusing to give up your fifth amendment rights makes it hard to investigate as well, and I don't see anyone ACTIVELY trying to get rid of those. Behind the scenes when they think we aren't looking, they're working on it...

      Unfortunately there are more then a few morons that think the greater good of society would be served better without the 5th amendment. Bennett Haselton's Response To That "Don't Talk to Cops" Video

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  6. "impede the ability of law enforcement" by Sockatume · · Score: 4, Insightful

    All oversight impedes the one's ability to do one's job. The whole point is that it's a trade-off against the costs of the lack of oversight. Other things that impede law enforcement:

    1) Need to actually prove someone committed a crime
    2) Restrictions on tasering people "because they look a bit crimey"
    3) Not permitted to use seized drugs to hold a "pot brownie fundraiser"

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  7. To little to late by DarkOx · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They now have cameras, character recognition and databases that can track you pretty much anywhere.

    What we NEED is a court to rule that data-mining constitutes an ersatz search and is protected.

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  8. Warrantless examination of Internet usage by Alain+Williams · · Score: 2

    Do we not have a direct analogy between this ruling and warrantless examination of Internet usage - as does the NSA & others ?

    So does this mean that the NSA needs a court order before it can collect any Internet use on anyone ? Ie the end to their current ''vacuum up everything'' way of doing things ?

  9. Thank Goodnesss some sense.... by realsilly · · Score: 4, Interesting

    .... has returned to someone in the Judicial system.

    It's ridiculous that the government bitches about getting a warrant. GPS is more invasive in my opinion. Because if you are a person of interest and the Govt, feels that you should be tracked, then they slap that GPS unit on your vehicle and they will step onto your property to do it in many cases. So in the event that they're not parked outside your house watching your every move, they don't always know who's driving that vehicle. So in essence, if you lent your car to someone that is NOT a person of interest the government is now tracking the wrong person and violating his/her rights.

    As least with a warrant, the request is on papers and the government could back up their tracking with that warrant should the 'person not of interest' have balls big enough to go after the government.

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  10. Establishing Probable Cause by Bob9113 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    To me, the following bits from the article really strike to the heart of the matter:

    The government also argued that if officers were required to obtain a warrant and have probable cause prior to executing a GPS search, "officers could not use GPS devices to gather information to establish probable cause, which is often the most productive use of such devices."

    The justices said the government's statement "wags the dog rather vigorously," noting that the primary reason for a search cannot be to generate evidence for law enforcement purposes. They also noted that "Generally speaking, a warrantless search is not rendered reasonable merely because probable cause existed that would have justified the issuance of a warrant."

    That seems to cast a dark shadow on the practice of NSA intercepts being used by the DEA to establish probable cause, followed by parallel construction of that probable cause.

  11. Re:Let's see if I got this, get this.. by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You raise an interesting point: I've always been of the opinion that there should be a concept of 'blinders' for crime not related to the immediate emergency situation.

    ie: If you call the police to report someone invading your home with a gun, you should not be afraid that when the police enter your home they will discover that you were involved in some other crime and charge you with that. The rationale behind my opinion is that I feel it is more important that people not be afraid to call the police than it is for every minor crime to be prosecuted.

    Kind of like a prostitute hesitating to call the police when she gets beaten up by a client because she is afraid of being arrested for prostitution. I feel it is more important that the violent person be arrested.

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  12. Re:Let's see if I got this, get this.. by Travis+Mansbridge · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is precisely why some argue that prostitution and recreational drugs should be legalized. When conflicts arise surrounding these relatively innocuous, yet illegal activities, there is no legal recourse for the parties involved. Only black-market resolutions are available (usually violence).