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Google Leads Among Consumer Tech Companies Lobbying Congress

Nerval's Lobster writes "Google is still the tech company that spends most lavishly to make its influence known in Washington, D.C., according to a report analyzing the lobbying activity of technology firms. Using data from disclosure forms filed with the Clerk of the House of Representatives, the oversight group Consumer Watchdog added up the efforts of tech-company representatives to get in front of lawmakers and state their employers' case. Facebook's spending on lobbying rose 47 percent between 2012 and 2013, from $980,000 during the third quarter of 2012 to 1.4 million during 2013. Microsoft also boosted its spending by 20 percent, from $1.9 million in 2012 to $2.2 million during the third quarter of this year. Google cut its spending on lobbyists, but still spent $3.4 million during the third quarter – three times what Facebook spent during the same quarter. Apple's lobbying efforts shot up 111 percent between the third quarter of 2012 and 2013, but still amounted to only $970,000 this year. Cisco Systems spent $890,000; IBM spent $1.18 million; Intel spent $980,000 and Oracle spent $1.36 million. Though telecommunications firms are in a separate category, Google still outspent Verizon (down 2 percent, to $3.04 million) and Verizon Wireless (up 19 percent, to $1.2 million). It was trumped by AT&T (up 23 percent, to $4.3 million)."

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  1. Bribes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And I thought bribes were illegal.

    1. Re:Bribes by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      Wag the dog. Unseen brokers, consultants, and accountants that skim off money traveling both directions are who direct the action. Google leads the tech companies. Who spends the most overall?

      Pharmaceuticals/Health Products...

      Insurance...

      Well... big surprise there.. Big year coming up for those dudes...

      Spending your money on lobbying is perfectly fine, but fuck these politicians being a yes man to them. There's no extortion. Everybody's doing this crap by free choice with full 'consent of the governed'.

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    2. Re:Bribes by slick7 · · Score: 2

      It's not just congress. A company is 50% less likely to be prosecuted by the Justice Department if they make a donation to the DNC.

      Hence the need for the separation of Corporate and State. If corporations want the same rights as persons, then they should be goverened by the same rules equally. Yes, yes I know some believe themselves more equal than others. BOVINE SCAT!

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  2. lobbying is bullshit by Nyder · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Lobbying should be outlawed, because it's doesn't fairly represent the people. Laws shouldn't be introduced or passed because a lot of money is throw at the law makers.

    Problem is, if Google doesn't spend the money, then the other companies that are spending the money are going to be heard, not Google.

    Bullshit system that needs to be outlawed.

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    1. Re:lobbying is bullshit by dmbasso · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Bullshit system that needs to be outlawed.

      Do your part: http://www.wolf-pac.com/

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    2. Re:lobbying is bullshit by Austrian+Anarchy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Lobbying should be outlawed, because it's doesn't fairly represent the people. Laws shouldn't be introduced or passed because a lot of money is throw at the law makers.

      Problem is, if Google doesn't spend the money, then the other companies that are spending the money are going to be heard, not Google.

      Bullshit system that needs to be outlawed.

      Then you need to have a Constitution adjustment, since it is more properly called a redress of grievances. What we as citizens need to do is hold those elected responsible for just how they address the redress.

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    3. Re:lobbying is bullshit by Kelson · · Score: 2

      Problem is, if Google doesn't spend the money, then the other companies that are spending the money are going to be heard, not Google.

      Exactly. One of the big things to come out of the fight against SOPA was the realization that Silicon Valley needed to step up the lobbying if they were going to avoid being stepped on by Hollywood's lobbying.

    4. Re:lobbying is bullshit by FuzzNugget · · Score: 2

      Will never happen. The gravy train has too much momentum to stop. Too many US politicians are so corrupt and hard-headed that America will never get something passed like Canada's Federal Accountability Act, which bans any amount of lobbying that could affect the political process.

    5. Re:lobbying is bullshit by postglock · · Score: 2

      It's really a logical conclusion of capitalism. We throw money at these corporations, and their amount of representation is proportional to our monetary endorsement.

    6. Re:lobbying is bullshit by interkin3tic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Flat out prohibition rarely works. In this case, it definitely would fail. Legislators absolutely must meet and talk with people to get information. The alternative is a nightmare. Can you imagine if congress were to start legislating on the tech industry WITHOUT talking to techheads?

      It's like lawyers: there are bad corrupt ones AND good ones who are necessary. The bad ones give them all a bad name, but they are critical. Not all are the high-powered meet and schmooze and blackmail and funnel bribery to corrupt politicians. With formal lobbyists it can be regulated, bad lobbyists could theoretically be jailed or banned. And most important, there should be a record, it should all be out in the open. Obviously, that's a lofty goal that is ignored when it shouldn't be.

      At the very least, realize that money has always ALWAYS found influence in government, in every government, in every system tried. You can't stop it with a simple law like "no lobbyists." You can only make sure its out in the open and potentially corruption can be identified and rooted out with the ballot box or impeachment.

    7. Re:lobbying is bullshit by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2

      > Lobbying should be outlawed, because it's doesn't fairly represent the people

      Oh silly, young little one.

      The purpose of power is to get yourself in the way of people who want to get business done, so they will pay you to get back out of the way.

      "For the people" is fraudulent hot air designed, meme-style, to get you behind those who seize power, so they can get in the way of your businessmen betters, to get the businessmen to pay them to get back out of the way.

      This parsimonious explanation needs no additional entities to provide a complete description of political reality.

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  3. I wonder... by jcbarlow · · Score: 3, Interesting

    if Google is really the one spending the most. Could it be that they are just doing so more transparently than most, rather than obfuscating their lobbying by way of various third parties? I have no real knowledge of the specifics of what they're doing but it seems to be Google's style to be somewhat less sneaky than their peers.

    1. Re:I wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Wow.... Googles lobbying even reach here

  4. The Waters Are Muddy by TheSwift · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While I agree with you, I can't blame these mega-corporations. Lawmakers have a tendency to pass laws that would crush private industries unless they intervened. My guess is that most of this money isn't spent trying to push some agenda, they're simply trying to protect their business from meddlesome lawmakers.

    We'll need a government that doesn't screw with the private industry before the private industry agrees to stop screwing with the government.

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    1. Re:The Waters Are Muddy by deathcloset · · Score: 2
      Please stop muddying the water. Here, I have some sonar.

      Ping.

      Reply: I don't agree with you on any of your points, I think even in principle. You could be mistaken, I could be mistaken or you could be a very elegant troll. Regardless here is my reply.

      Lawmakers passed anti-monopoly laws without lobbyists. Lobbyists always spend money pushing an agenda, that's the definition of a lobbyist: They are trying to get lawmakers to meddle to protect their business. A government that doesn't screw with the private industry creates an unregulated private industry. I think that lack of regulation in the private industry results in bad outcomes. I think there are historical examples supporting this.

  5. Don't be Evil? by hedgemage · · Score: 2

    Remember when that was the Google mantra? Are they still trying or have they been worn down by the system? Is lobbying inherently evil as some posters state, or is there a good way to do it? If you think lobbying is without a high ground, then consider the case of one of the oldest continuously existing lobbying groups. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FCNL

  6. crowded-sourced counter-lobbying by StripedCow · · Score: 2

    Why don't we start a counter-lobbying service, that is funded by the crowd?

    Something like kickstarter, but for lobbying.

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  7. Kickstarter by tuppe666 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I know this is a a bash Google article *sigh* (personally I quite shocked at how cheap Apple is...maybe not), but is anyone really shocked at how small the amounts are. Ignoring the fact that these amounts are peanuts to these companies; a few million protecting literally trillions in cash!? These amounts are smaller than many kickstarters. How about a kickstarter lobby congress for real tax laws, buy local hardware in government institutions, hell its cheap enough to have a open source or even better open standards mandated. I am going to stop there as mind is suddenly filling itself with ideas both ridiculous and nefarious. no pants fridays...and nuke france.

  8. Scaled please? by redelm · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How about some results scaled by sales or by total assets? Google is big, so should spend the most.

    1. Re:Scaled please? by RuffMasterD · · Score: 5, Informative

      As a percentage of market capitalisation these sums are really small, and very similar. These companies probably spend more on toilet paper each quarter. Except Apple, like someone else said, they are surprisingly cheap.

      Company, Market Cap (B), 3Qtr spending (M), Lobby Ratio
      Google, $344.65 $3.40, 0.00099%
      Facebook, $126.39, $1.40, 0.00111%
      Microsoft, $282.26, $2.20, 0.00078%
      Apple, $476.92, $0.97, 0.00020%
      Cisco, $119.83, $0.89, 0.00074%
      IBM, $192.54, $1.18, 0.00061%
      Intel, $118.22, $0.98, 0.00083%
      Oracle, $151.92, $1.36, 0.00090%

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  9. Google is vulnerable to legislation ... by perpenso · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Which explains why, in the 1950's and 60's for example, when spending on lobbyists was a fraction of what it is today, the economy was destroyed by laws that crushed private industries. Or was it one of the biggest growth period in our country's history? I forget. Screw it - ideological assumptions trump facts.

    Those companies that you referred to generally made money by manufacturing products and selling them for a profit. That is not what Google does. It sells its hardware products at around cost (ex Nexus). It gives away its software (ex Android). It makes money off of services, in particular targeted advertising based on its monitoring of users (Search, Gmail, etc).

    Google's business is **highly** vulnerable to potential legislation. Public sentiment is running a bit high against corporate (and gov't) "snooping" on individuals. Any restrictions on how a company can monitor or collect information on consumers could be quite harmful to Google's revenue. It makes great business sense to be in DC to head off or steer such "privacy" legislation in a manner that preserves Google's ability to monitor users.

  10. Re:Microsoft should have lobbied back then... by Beeftopia · · Score: 2

    Timeline of the anti-trust case:

    "May 18, 1998: The big day. The U.S. Justice Department and 20 state attorneys general file an antitrust suit against Microsoft, charging the company with abusing its market power to thwart competition, including Netscape.

    September 6, 2001: U.S. Justice Department says it no longer seeks the breakup of Microsoft and wants to find a quick remedy in the antitrust case. "

    Timeline of Microsoft political donations.