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Book Review: The App Generation

First time accepted submitter Sara Konrath writes "The App Generation gives an overview of how digital media and technology may affect young people's perceptions of themselves, their ability to relate to others, and their creativity. As the director of the Interdisciplinary Program on Empathy and Altruism Research (iPEAR), my research finds that there have been generational changes in personality traits related to social functioning. For example, we find that narcissism has been rising while dispositional empathy has been declining in recent generations. I also study the relationship between such traits and the use of social media. Considering this, I was excited to get a copy of the book ahead of its release date." Keep reading for the rest of Sara's review. The App Generation: How Today's Youth Navigate Identity, Intimacy, and Imagination in a Digital World author Howard Gardner, Katie Davis pages 256 publisher Yale University Press rating 7/10 reviewer Sara Konrath ISBN 978-0300196214 summary How life for this generation differs from life before the digital era. The book does a good job of outlining the latest research on the topic of how digital technology and media have changed fundamental aspects of the way young people relate to themselves and others. Considering that the authors are academics, I commend them for adopting an everyday conversational style, although at times this comes across as awkward. The book title is not quite right, since it's really about the broader topic of how new technology and media affect us, unfortunately forcing the authors to squeeze in the app metaphor whenever possible to make the title work. The larger point of the book is that it is easy to become "app-dependent," allowing ourselves to be controlled and limited by technology, rather than "app-enabled," using it to reach our highest potential selves – to creativity connect and engage with ideas and other people. The historical examples from other times of technological change are amusing, and provide an interesting context for their discussion.

Howard and Katie (as they call themselves in the book) argue that the new media landscape indeed affects the way young people see themselves, or at least present themselves – what they call identity. In the early days of the internet, there was a feeling that one could go online and be someone else. With chat rooms and multiplayer role play games (and their customizable avatars), the internet allowed people to safely play with their identities and perhaps discover new aspects of themselves. Sherry Turkle, covered this topic quite early (1995) in her book, Life on the Screen: Identity in the age of the internet, and The App Generation gives her an appreciative nod. But the authors suggest that although this type of identity play still occurs, it is more common for young people to use social media to be "themselves, only better," considering that social networking sites often use people's real names.

In terms of intimacy, Howard and Katie cite much research (including my own) finding that young people today may have more difficulty deeply connecting with others than those in past generations. The authors suggest that new media might be in part to blame for such changes in social interactions. Again, a book by Sherry Turkle (Alone Together: Why we expect more from technology and less from each other) has both preceded them and gone into more satisfying depth on the topic. The problem Howard and Katie acknowledge is that it is hard to conduct experimental studies, the gold standard for making causal claims. Yet I wish the authors would have discussed the vast amount of research on the effects of other media (e.g. television, violent video games), which has grappled with these problems for decades and has come up with some solutions.

The most novel and interesting part of the book, which alone makes it worth reading, is the chapter on creativity (which they self-consciously label imagination, in order to have three neat "Is" in the subtitle). This chapter is refreshingly different from the others, partly because the authors draw on their own research expertise here, rather than simply providing a cursory review of others' work. But here again, the discussion is too brief and superficial, as if the book is intended to be read on a screen. Still, I was intrigued by their finding that while the visual art of young people seems to be increasing in creativity and complexity in recent years, their written work shows marked declines in the same domains. This reminded me of Leonard Shlain's book, The Alphabet versus the Goddess, which posited that there would be a rise in the dominance visual images (which he sees as signifying feminine preeminence) over the written word (signifying masculine hierarchical systems of power).

Overall, The App Generation seems to be packaged directly to the "app generation," in its tendency to skim across facts rather than using them as a starting point for further analysis. But despite my criticisms, I still enjoyed reading it and it made me think more about how such technologies could be designed to help enhance social relationships rather than diminish them. My criticisms come partly from my experience studying this topic, and what seems like a criticism could actually be a strength for more novice readers. The book accurately gives an overview of scientific research on this topic, and with all of the electronic research tools available in recent years, it is up to the reader to "google it" if they want to go deeper.

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59 comments

  1. [disparaging title] by Laxori666 · · Score: 4, Funny

    [uninformed opinion]. [lambasting of what I perceive the book to be saying without having read it]. [obviously incorrect statement that shows I didn't even read the summary fully]. [snide concluding sentence designed to make me feel better about what I already believe in].

    1. Re:[disparaging title] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The research shows that this reaction is increasingly common.
      Yours too.
      And mine.

    2. Re:[disparaging title] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm one of the three legendary magical pedophiles. There is no escape for one such as yourself.

    3. Re:[disparaging title] by Steve_Ussler · · Score: 0

      Say what?

  2. Ha. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We'll see how well those selfish snot-nosed punks do after mommy and daddy kick them the hell out of the house. They are selfish and complacent because their parents enable them to be.

    -- Ethanol-fueled

    1. Re:Ha. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They will hang themselves or rob and kill you. A third party non member of their family.

      Remeber what happened when bashar al assad kicked teh non-alawites off the dole, out onto the street. Do you?

      Nope.
      Seems that they took up arms against third parties who werent members of their families. Ethenol fuled.

    2. Re:Ha. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm selfish and I moved out 10 years ago.

    3. Re:Ha. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They will do very well they will all become CEO's of large American corporations or politicians if they are desperate

  3. iPEAR by Thanshin · · Score: 1

    I stopped reading at iPEAR.

    1. Re:iPEAR by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1

      Don't iPEAR the reaper.

    2. Re:iPEAR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wasn't the Apple of your i either? Reminds you that an iPEAR might ApPear. On a BBS?

      appropriate captcha: disowns

      Ise disowns dis remark.

    3. Re:iPEAR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I stopped reading at Book

    4. Re:iPEAR by wiredlogic · · Score: 1

      It takes a special kind of narcissist to re-appropriate a company's branding to create the appearance of high-status amongst one's academic peers. Bravo, Sara Konrath.

      --
      I am becoming gerund, destroyer of verbs.
    5. Re:iPEAR by GTRacer · · Score: 1

      Why? You didn't like iCarly? Miss that show...

      --
      Defending IP by destroying access to it? That makes sense, RIAA/MPAA. Go to the corner until you can play nice!
  4. Tell us something we don't know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >> we find that narcissism has been rising while dispositional empathy has been declining in recent generations.

    I must be some kind of genius to not have required a series of studies to come to the same conclusion years ago...

  5. Visual Arts by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

    the visual art of young people seems to be increasing in creativity and complexity in recent years

    Riiiiight.

    Dali's The Apotheosis of Homer is creative and complex.

    Infographics... not so much.

    Though I will say, there's some really neat stuff on deviantart... and not just renditions of nude anime chicks.

    --
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    1. Re:Visual Arts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Though I will say, there's some really neat stuff on deviantart... and not just renditions of nude anime chicks.

      What? Impossible, I say. Impossible! Are you sure you were still on dA when you found things that weren't nude anime chicks? It's easy to lose track.

    2. Re:Visual Arts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you sure you were still on dA when you found things that weren't nude anime chicks or hermaphrodite furries?

      FTFY

  6. Symptoms, not causes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Narcissism is as as old as humanity itself. It started the very moment the second human started walking upright. It's just now that we can express it with a few taps on a pocket-able device connected to a world-wide network. Within milliseconds the entire world can now see you and everything you say.

    Not saying that narcissism is a good thing. The internet just enables all forms of communication without prejudice.

    1. Re:Symptoms, not causes by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure I get the part of your hypothesis where you seem to allege it's a unique trait to humans.

    2. Re:Symptoms, not causes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, even flowers can be narcissists.

    3. Re:Symptoms, not causes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only humans use smartphones?
      idog?
      Galaxycat?

    4. Re:Symptoms, not causes by 0111+1110 · · Score: 1

      I think you are missing the point. I believe the argument is not that narcissism is a new phenomenon, but that more people are narcissists as a percentage of the general population than before.

      --
      Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it? That's what it is to be a slave.
  7. Raises an interesting question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What happens to the optimism inherent in Web 2.0 design (users provide worthwhile content) when it is shown that the very aspects that make the design valuable are warping the people it was meant to serve?

  8. "our highest potential selves" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How the hell does anyone know if anyone else is or is not reaching their "highest potential self"? Most people's highest potential self might be pretty damn low, after all.

    Look, everyone is a lazy sloth -- compared to Olympic athletes. Everyone is a selfish, narcissistic wretch -- compared to a mythical saint. By endlessly comparing people to impossible standards, you teach people that they are awful, terrible, and worthless... and that's usually when the sales pitch comes in.

    Feh. My highest potential self might just be to post useless and unread comments on /. as AC. Let's face it, I've peaked, and it's all downhill from here.

  9. [title] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
    1. Re:[title] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shouldn't that be "crowd response"?
      You're a pal and a cosmonaut.

  10. Weasel word overload by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How many weasel words are packed into this review? The density alone suggests this is utter bogosity dressed up to look like science.

    Sampling:

    there was a feeling that
    and perhaps
    the authors suggest
    The authors suggest
    seems to be

    Good grief, if it's that vague and fluffy, don't waste our time with it.

    1. Re:Weasel word overload by Steve_Ussler · · Score: 0

      Maybe, maybe not... It is feasible it might not be that truth.

  11. biggest recent change... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    To many millennials, apps are the internet. From what I've seen in my friends, many of them almost don't use traditional computers any more. They get their news, text with friends, and everything else on their phones or tablets, and most of that is done with dedicated apps, which they see as less clunky than a web browser.

    It's not 100% there yet but the trend is big, and in 15 years the traditional www may be much as gopher is today: something from the dustbin of electronic history.

  12. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I stopped reading at iPEAR.

    Why?

    Here's something that intriques me:

    For example, we find that narcissism has been rising while dispositional empathy has been declining in recent generations.

    And this disturbs me:

    In terms of intimacy, Howard and Katie cite much research (including my own) finding that young people today may have more difficulty deeply connecting with others than those in past generations.

    The way I interpret it is that we are becoming more and more shallow.

    Image is everything and we lock ourselves into our lonely little Worlds - like Facebook and Slashdot. These sites are pseudo personal connections. They're time delayed, no body or facial language and just little blips of conversation.

    I mean, there are folks who I have flamed here that if in person, I would have treated with respect and maybe even agreed with them on several points of the argument - and maybe bought him a beer. But here, they are faceless nobodies (non-persons - bits) that I can treat with about as much concern as the connection to my ISP - less concern, I mean.

    We are a culture that worships superficiality. Kim Kardasian and people like that; Sean Hannity and others with two bit uninformed opinions; and of course, plenty of titillating outrage over pretty much nothing. And they MILLIONS of dollars per year for being a ... nothing. They have no character. No morality. Nothing about them where I can say, ""Gee whiz Wally, I wish I could be more like that person!"

    Why don't people of character become more famous? Neil deGrasse Tyson for example. He's relegated to PBS. Or what about statesmen? OK, the only person I can think of is Nelson Mandela. That's it.

    And in the meantime, we are being distracted (preferring it that way) from issues that we really should prepare for (I hate ending with a preposition! Nuns coming to hit me ....)

    1. Re:Why? by sI4shd0rk · · Score: 1

      The way I interpret it is that we are becoming more and more shallow.

      How is that even possible? People were extraordinarily shallow in the past; I can't imagine how much more shallow people can get.

      no body or facial language

      All of which is an eyesore to me. No screaming or interruptions, and you have the entirety of your opponent's arguments right before you.

      We are a culture that worships superficiality.

      Kids these days. This is definitely a new phenomenon.

      And they MILLIONS of dollars per year for being a ... nothing.

      Well, I certainly don't like them, but that's mighty subjective.

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      Ignorance is a choice
    2. Re:Why? by xevioso · · Score: 1

      tl; dr

    3. Re:Why? by geekoid · · Score: 0

      "The way I interpret it is that we are becoming more and more shallow."
      factually incorrect.

      "They're time delayed, no body or facial language and just little blips of conversation."
      but that doesn't mean there is no connection. People don't really need much to make a connection.

      "I mean, there are folks who I have flamed here that if in person, I would have treated with respect and maybe even agreed with them on several points of the argument "
      stop projecting you asshatery onto others.

      " They have no character. No morality."
      Why should that make money?

      "Why don't people of character become more famous?"
      becasue the media doesn't give them attention and they won't debase themselves simply for he sake of debasing themselves.

      "I hate ending with a preposition! Nuns coming to hit me "
      but not so much you would restructure your sentence?

      " from issues that we really should prepare for"
      from issue we should acknowledge.
      from issues in which we should be prepared to handle.
      from issues with long term consequences.
      from preparedness of other issues,

      And I'm not even good at this.

      --
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    4. Re:Why? by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      How is that even possible? People were extraordinarily shallow in the past; I can't imagine how much more shallow people can get.

      This book is a study of a self-selected set. Who is surprised when there is a study of the people who are likely to be so narcissistic that they think everyone in the world wants to hear them tweet about their bodily functions and what they had for lunch, who thinks everyone needs to see selfie-instagrams of them doing inane things, and the study finds that those people are shallow narcissistic sheep?

      Kids these days. This is definitely a new phenomenon.

      Probably not new, but certainly more openly displayed and by seeing more people doing it, more socially acceptable.

  13. Just students? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From the iPEAR website: "We have found that narcissism is rising and empathy is declining among American college students."

    But isn't that simply reflective of society of general as opposed to unique to college students? As exemplified by the popularity of Ann Rand conservative political philosophy "looking out for number one"?

    1. Re:Just students? by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      As exemplified by the popularity of Ann Rand conservative political philosophy "looking out for number one"?

      Who's Ann Rand?

      I'd have thought it was exemplified by the popularity of socialist 'I should have everything for free without working for it' political philosophies. Hard to get more self-centered and greedy than that.

    2. Re:Just students? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd have thought it was exemplified by the popularity of socialist 'I should have everything for free without working for it'

      The Teabaggers on Medicaid and Social Security are socialists?

      Hard to get more self-centered and greedy than that.

      Sure there is. The elderly.

    3. Re:Just students? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "socialist 'I should have everything for free without working for it' political philosophies."

      That's not socialism, and there is no political philosophy like that.

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    4. Re:Just students? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I smell No True Scotsman.

    5. Re:Just students? by 0111+1110 · · Score: 1

      But isn't that simply reflective of society of general as opposed to unique to college students? As exemplified by the popularity of Ann Rand conservative political philosophy "looking out for number one"?

      She was a hell of a lot more popular in the 60s actually. Libertarianism is not exactly new. It has been around for quite a while. Hell the founding fathers of the US were basically Libertarians. If anything it has become less popular in the new millenium. Libertarianism doesn't mean "looking out for number one". Although it may be convenient for you to believe that. Saves you from having to think too much I suppose, but it does make you look stupid.

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      Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it? That's what it is to be a slave.
  14. Loss of Empathy is critical to success by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In today's competitive market, it is necessary to lose empathy in order to function successfully in the workplace. This is the age of universal warfare, and if you aren't willing to throw the competition under the bus, you deserve the failure and suffering that will mark your entire existence.

  15. This is just wild speculation by hey! · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Let's concede for now that the data might show that today's youth has less *dispositional* empathy than say, forty years ago when I was a teenager. And today we have kids spending a lot of time with "apps", which didn't even exist back then. It's a heck of a stretch to attribute the change in stable, ongoing concern for others to the corrupting influence of apps on the young brain.

    I'll tell you one of the big differences between today and the 70s: its a more complex, demanding world, and we spend more time preparing to live in it. When I was maybe ten years-old, it was not uncommon for people to get married when they were 18 - 22 years old. Two of my older siblings did. Going to college was not as nearly universal as it is today in the middle class.

    Now it's more common for people to go to college, possibly spend five or six more years as single professionals, and then get married around thirty. That really got going with my cohort; I got married when I was almost 30, and when our first child came my wife's obstetrician said that mid 30s had become the usual age to have a first child. When she'd started in the professions it was mid to late 20s.

    Sure, we have apps now and didn't back in the day, but that's nothing when you've considered we've effectively extended the length of childhood by some seven or eight years. Not "childhood" exactly, but more like an extended period of young adulthood where you are still learning the ropes and are expected to shoulder than full adult roles.

    One of the hallmarks of middle adulthood is taking on caretaker roles. Parenthood is the ultimate caretaker role, but there's also taking care of aging parents. At work you find yourself moving into supervisory positions, or taking on the role of the voice of experience. It may not be coincidental that people much younger and older have both fewer caretaking responsibilities AND display less stable dispositional empathy.

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    1. Re:This is just wild speculation by sI4shd0rk · · Score: 1

      Now it's more common for people to go to college

      And there are plenty of degree mills to accommodate all of these mediocre individuals.

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    2. Re:This is just wild speculation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now it's more common for people to go to college

      And there are plenty of degree mills to accommodate all of these mediocre individuals.

      Speaking from personal experience eh sl4shd0rk?

    3. Re:This is just wild speculation by sI4shd0rk · · Score: 1

      Not really, but I do know people who attend low-quality colleges; many of the people who go to these colleges simply have no idea that they're not receiving anything resembling an actual education.

      Many mediocre people enter college, and many mediocre people are pumped out of college. The problem is, masses of mediocre people entering college causes the quality of the education provided by many colleges to plummet.

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      Ignorance is a choice
    4. Re:This is just wild speculation by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      I'll tell you one of the big differences between today and the 70s: its a more complex, demanding world, and we spend more time preparing to live in it.

      Our local college students seem to be preparing for lots of burning sofas, date rape, and binge drinking ...

      They might be better off with less preparation time.

    5. Re:This is just wild speculation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I am World class at being mediocre does that mean I'm still mediocre?

  16. The claims in the summary aren't surprising. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    We celebrate narcissistic sociopaths every day. There is the notion that each an every boy and girl can lift themselves up by their bootstraps and go from rags to riches. When this happens those people are to be emulated even if they are destructive tyrants. Bill Gates, though hardly from an impoverished background, built a tremendous software empire, often through questionable means. At some point he realized the wealth he generated couldn't be spent by himself and decided it would be best to try to do something positive for the world. Given this example the children of society don't take away that robber barons should strive to improve society, they just realize that it is possible to go from upper middle class to supremely wealthy.

    We should make heroes out of people of characters instead of athletes and psychopaths .

  17. now let me guess - nah no need I know everything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    one summation is people exaggerate themselves on the internet and pre internet youth was never known to be boastful

  18. Re:Loss of Empathy is critical to success by couchslug · · Score: 1

    As contrasted with the Good Old Days of the Industrial Revolution.

    Oh....

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  19. SO you take data by geekoid · · Score: 1

    from an area where narcissist will congregate and apply that to the whole generation?
    Bad, try again.
    Also, don't apply the exact verbiage used by kids today to that of 20 years ago, they may not mean the same thing.

    My anecdotal(worthless) observation form my kids and their peers show no such thing. They are no more or less empathetic or narcissistic then my generation in the 70's.

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  20. The books a bit late by danknight48 · · Score: 2

    You want a "overview of how digital media and technology may affect young people's perceptions of themselves"

    - Open your door, go outside, walk down the street.
    - Admire as anyone under 20 doesn't know how to communicate with you, unless they can fit it into 150 characters.
    - Walk into town, find a bunch of people holding their phone up and recording an old man getting beaten up. Admire them as they do nothing but worry about youtube hits.
    - Get on a bus, look at everyone with their head down, ignoring the actual world around them.

    You dont need a book to tell you this shit. Go outside now and then.

  21. Wait, what? by Velex · · Score: 3, Insightful

    a rise in the dominance visual images (which he sees as signifying feminine preeminence) over the written word (signifying masculine hierarchical systems of power)

    Huh?

    Erm... what?

    News anchor voice from Starship Troopers: Would you like to know more?

    Yes?

    Shlain contrasts the feminine right-brained oral teachings of Socrates, Buddha, and Jesus with the masculine creeds that evolved when their spoken words were committed to writing. The first book written in an alphabet was the Old Testament and its most important passage was the Ten Commandments. The first two reject of any goddess influence and ban any form of representative art. (www.alphabetvsgoddess.com)

    Uhh.. huh. So what you've done there is you took 3 male teachers, presumed their teachings to be somehow feminine, and then completely and utterly misunderstood the evolution of the Abrahamaic religions and their conquest of "pagan" and "heathen" traditions.

    Furthermore, you've decided to ascribe gender two complimentary media and create some male vs. female, testosterone vs. estrogen, rapist vs. rape victim conflict where none need exist.

    Agh. Is it just me or do folks who aren't trans have a very tenuous (at best) grasp of gender? At any rate, this tells us more about the way cisgendered folks (folks who aren't transgendered) identify with the phenomenon of gender than it tells us about gender itself, and that is the startling point here. Apparently, if one is cisgendered, the matching gender of one's mind and reproductive system conspires to weld the idea of gender so inextricibly to the experience of existing or being that one then neurotically seeks to paint every last thing in the world with gender!

    Well, now it all makes sense. This is how mathematics can be rape. Even written language itself is rape! Sad news for our feminists who want more womyn-born-womyn in computer careers!

    What on earth is even the basis for this idea that written language is somehow masculine and artistic rendering is somehow feminine beyond some historical coincidences? This idea is just such an utter jumble now that I think about it more, I can't decide whether the case being made here is that all progress that separates human beings from every other animal on the face of the planet is not something that women have participated in and is the antithesis of an entire gender!

    How confusing. In our attempts to preserve the stereotypical innocence of womyn-born-womyn, we seem to have unintentionally written off femininity as irrelevant and unable to handle the rigors of continuing to evolve to something other than mere talking animals, no differently than the old misogynists we're supposed to revile!

    Anybody who buys into this crap should spend a year or two working in a nearly all female environment like a call center. The idea that the female nature is this essence of placid innocence is just... so utterly naive as to cease being cute and become insidious now that we've decided that careers are for both genders. At least when boys grow up and become men, they learn that they need to put aside their pettiness and work together. Nobody seems to be interested in teaching this skill to womyn-born-womyn, presuming them not individuals capable of greed, jealousy, vexation, and destruction, but somehow "better" or more "pure" than anyone without the status of being a womyn-born-womyn.

    Did anyone ever think that the problem with the kids is that the older generation has infested academia with these kinds of superficial philosophies of anti-individualism and collectivism?

    Maybe that's why the kids are retreating to their iApps. Day after day we drill it into their heads that all men are evil rapists and all women are helpless victims, a notion as old as the hills but treble reinforced by feminism and worthless gender philosophies and handed do

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  22. Re:now let me guess - nah no need I know everythin by 0111+1110 · · Score: 1

    Actually IME pre-internet youth *were* a lot less boastful. When I grew up in the 70s and 80s people who boasted about themselves would tend to become friendless in a very short time. And there was much talk about "conceited" people which was considered a *bad* thing. Imagine that! And the term "self-esteem" wasn't even used let alone worshipped as it is now.

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  23. Don't blame the kids. Blame the parents. by 0111+1110 · · Score: 2

    Arrogance and narcissism is just what today's parents, at least in the US, teach their children. That they come first. That they are smart and good and that the most important thing is that they love themselves and respect themselves. What did we expect to come from that sort of upbringing? Kind altruists?

    I'm not even sure when the term "self-esteem" began to be used outside of psychology books. I don't think I ever heard that term at all until the late 80s and never in common usage. Nowadays I see kids actually using the term. WTF? Self-esteem has become our new god. Loving ourselves our highest value. It used to be that boasting about yourself was considered a demonstration of poor character. Now it is expected. Even demanded. Modesty is considered a flaw.

    This is a failure of our cultural values and has absolutely nothing to do with iPhones or Apps. Nothing to do with computers or any other modern gadget. MySpace/Facebook are just symptoms and not the cause.

    I do think Facebook encourages narcissism as well as attracting people who were already arrogant and self-loving. My first reaction to Facebook (and MySpace) was something like, "Make a page about myself? Why? Who would care? Am I really so interesting that I have to publish a page about how great I am?" I found the whole idea repellent and I still do. Obviously the Millienials don't typically share this view. Probably because they were taught that loving yourself and boasting were positive traits and that modesty was very much a negative trait.

    I recently was advising a foreign student about how to act at an interview at a US university. I said, "Don't be afraid to boast. Here in America it is both expected and desired." If you don't speak highly of yourself and sing your own praises then there is something wrong with you. Luckily it is not yet like that in every country, but it may be eventually.

    I'm an atheist, but I can't help but think that religion did have some effect on curbing the natural selfishness of human beings. It was a way of brainwashing people to be nicer to each other. It was all based on lies, but it may have resulted in a better world overall.

    Not that I think Millenials are so terrible, but they do seem a bit more selfish, self-centered, and myopic. A bit less likely to care about others. A bit more focused on me,me,me. To be fair it's how they were taught to be. When it comes to an "every man for himself" attitude I actually think the US does pretty well compared to some places I have lived, but things do seem to be getting worse.

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  24. Hang on. Haven't we been here before? by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 1

    Apparently, if one is cisgendered, the matching gender of one's mind and reproductive system conspires to weld the idea of gender so inextricibly to the experience of existing or being that one then neurotically seeks to paint every last thing in the world with gender!

    I don't see that state of affairs as justification to assign to the transgendered some magical insight into gender, nor to disparage the cisgendered as sufficiently incapable of understanding the subject that they become almost universally neurotic in the way they deal with those concepts.

    As an aside, I also see no justification for being so dismissive of the ability of the cisgendered to understand things. You cross a line into the territory of "rude for no good reason" when you say things like that.

    Besides, isn't this an old concept that has nothing to do with being cisgendered? For example, I'm terrible at learning new languages but I occasionally take a stab at it. In my very limited experience, there are a number of languages that seem to want to assign a gender to everything. I don't see that as proof that those languages are inferior or derive from neurotic roots. I only see a different take on categorizing everyday objects. That's not actually bad, is it?

  25. Re:Loss of Empathy is critical to success by n3r0.m4dski11z · · Score: 1

    " In today's competitive market, it is necessary to lose empathy in order to function successfully in the workplace. This is the age of universal warfare, and if you aren't willing to throw the competition under the bus, you deserve the failure and suffering that will mark your entire existence."

    Uhoh, sounds like someone wasn't the biggest loser this week!

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  26. Re:Hang on. Haven't we been here before? by Velex · · Score: 1

    It's bad when one attempts to construct a dichotomy and power struggle with the intention of assigning moral virtue and stigma to an individual on account of gender. None of the languages I've studied that have grammatical gender presume that the els are raping the las or that the dies are made of sugar, spice, and everything nice and the dases are morally abhorrent for not just being ders like god meant.

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