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Drone-Mounted Laser Weapons Are On the Way

Daniel_Stuckey writes "DARPA is funding research into drone-mounted laser weapons. The project, called Endurance, is referred to in DARPA's 2014 budget request as being tasked with the development of 'technology for pod-mounted lasers to protect a variety of airborne platforms from emerging and legacy EO/IR guided surface-to-air missiles.' The budget explains that it will be the first application of DARPA's much-discussed Excalibur laser defense system, which developed lasers powerful enough to use as weapons. With the new program, DARPA is focused on miniaturizing the technology, as well as 'developing high-precision target tracking, identification, and lightweight agile beam control to support target engagement. The program will also focus on the phenomenology of laser-target interactions and associated threat vulnerabilities." In other words, DARPA hopes that drone-mounted lasers will soon be able to shoot missiles out of the sky."

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  1. I welcome the new drone-mounted laser overlords by mrspoonsi · · Score: 3, Funny

    (whilst wearing my tin hat - na na - cannot get me)

    1. Re:I welcome the new drone-mounted laser overlords by Shark · · Score: 3, Funny

      I do feel neglected lately.

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    2. Re:I welcome the new drone-mounted laser overlords by bob_super · · Score: 2

      Call Samuel L Jackson, because I, for one, want all these motherfucking lasers off this motherfucking plane!

  2. How much popcorn could this pop? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    So it's both immoral AND unethical...

  3. Re: I welcome the new drone-mounted laser overlord by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Warning: Do not look at drone with remaining eye...

  4. Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    They should designate it the Semiautonomous, High-Altitude Recon/Kill drone, so that we can finally have SHARKs with frickin' laser beams.

  5. Nope by cookYourDog · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Power source? I am immediately struck by the design obstacle of stashing enough power capacity onto a 140 hp propeller UAV. Even if designers manage to get enough power stored on board, it will most likely result in the drone being limited to a single blast (while seriously degrading operational range).

    1. Re:Nope by SJHillman · · Score: 2

      Metal conducts heat away from the focal point much better than wood or paper, plus most metals used for that purpose have considerably higher melting points. However, you might not need to punch through. If you can just heat up the casing, it might be enough to kill the electronics inside the missile.

    2. Re:Nope by alexander_686 · · Score: 2

      There are many UAVs out there with motors much bigger then 145hp so I don’t think that is going to be an issue. Besides you don’t need that much continuous power. You will not be shooting down missiles every second. Outfit the UAV with batteries / super capacitors. That should be sufficient.

    3. Re:Nope by CitizenCain · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How much power does it take to punch through a metal casing? We already have laser pointers that can burn through paper and thin pieces of wood.

      With a beam of light? A lot. Check out the latest demos of ground-based missile defense lasers. The power sources (and related cooling) for those are in trailers hauled around by 18-wheelers. Doesn't sound like something you'll be able to fit on a drone any time soon.

  6. Phenomenology by RandomFactor · · Score: 2

    Teaching laser drones Phenomenology?

    "Let there be light!"

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  7. Not Exactly by Rollgunner · · Score: 5, Informative

    Seeing as they specifically mention Electro-Optical and Infra-Red guided missiles, It seems that the objective is not to 'blow up' a missile as the linked article suggests, but rather to use a laser to blind the missile's tracking systems, causing it to lose tracking and veer off target or "generate a miss" as they say.

    Getting a laser to destroy a missile requires about 100 kW of energy and a few tons of hardware to focus it.

    Getting a laser to blind optical sensors requires a $10 Radio Shack gift card.

    1. Re:Not Exactly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      There is no mention of drones in the budget estimate.

      Title: Endurance*
      Description: *Previously part of Excalibur
      The Endurance program will develop technology for pod-mounted lasers to protect a variety of airborne platforms from emerging and legacy EO/IR guided surface-to-air missiles. The focus of the Endurance effort under TT-06 will be on miniaturizing component technologies, developing high-precision target tracking, identification, and lightweight agile beam control to support target engagement. The program will also focus on the phenomenology of laser-target interactions and associated threat vulnerabilities. This program is an early application of technology developed in the Excalibur program. Advanced research for the program is budgeted in PE 0603739E, project MT-15.
      FY 2013 Plans:
      Design of subsystems:
      - Design a miniaturized, flight-traceable, low-maintenance laser having output beam parameters that are consistent with estimated mission-kill requirements.
      - Design of a light-weight highly-agile beam director and beam control assemblies that support coarse and fine tracking of dynamic targets, target-identification and target-engagement, and that can accommodate additional functions such as ISR and target designation.
      - Design of a high-precision coarse to fine-track and target identification subsystem.
      - Develop test plans for laser effects testing and initiate the acquisition of threat devices or the design of surrogate devices.
      FY 2014 Plans:
      - Fabrication, assembly, and test of miniaturized subsystems.
      - Complete the acquisition of threat devices and/ or development of surrogate devices for laser effects testing. - Conduct laser effects testing.

      The author is making shit up. Click-bait.

  8. Re:Mirrors.. by SJHillman · · Score: 5, Informative

    Any sort of adjustable mirror designed to reflect lasers seems like it would have a huge impact on missile aerodynamics.
    You'd also need to make sure the mirrors stay very clean throughout flight... condensation or dust would absorb the laser's energy and begin melting the mirror underneath. There's also issues with matching the mirror to the wavelength of the laser, the fact that no mirror reflects 100% of light and any distortions in the mirror could make it worse.

    You'd be better off with some sort of ablative armor on the missile.

  9. Someone at DARPA reads way too much Sci Fi. by mrthoughtful · · Score: 2

    Drone figures from WP show that as of Q1 2009, of the 223 USAF UAVs in operational service, only 4 were shot down. Whereas 11 were lost due to accidents (mainly flying into things), and 55 were lost due to equipment failure, operator error, or weather.

    Importantly, the current failsafe for OOC UAVs is to shoot them down with AIM-9 missiles, which is what happened to a reaper on 13 September 2009. Developing an autonomous laser defence would preclude this failsafe.

    In brief, the US government should be spending it's money on other problems. Given a vote, I doubt that the US populace would sign up for this particular budgetary spend.

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    1. Re:Someone at DARPA reads way too much Sci Fi. by mrthoughtful · · Score: 2

      ...

      I believe this is a sign that an AI has gone rogue and managed to sneak this project in as a "DARPA Initiative" as a means to protect its fledgeling race of flying robot killers.

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      Hah, well assuming that you aren't merely posting for humour value, I would suggest that; as the primary cause of failure in these UAVs is equipment failure, operator error, and weather; the AI you refer to isn't particularly intelligent. If it were intelligent then it would be attempting to fund research into greater autonomy for AI systems...

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  10. Re:Mirrors.. by tinkerton · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think a reflective surface on a rotating missile is simple and goes a long way.

  11. Re:Mirrors.. by SJHillman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Except, as I just mentioned, a reflective surface would be a piss poor defense against a laser. Between dust, condensation, wavelengths, and the fact there's no such thing as a perfect reflective surface it would be mostly pointless. An ablative surface, such as the space shuttle used, would be a significantly better defense.

  12. Re:Eventual Target: People by mrex · · Score: 2

    It's kind of brilliant of DARPA, really. If a bit evil. By setting their sights on missiles, they establish the idea of defensive technology, but ensure that any effective weapon will also make short work of a less durable and less agile target like a human being. In this way, the R&D team is spared the thought of building something that will burn a hole through some hapless person, even though the eventuality of their work will be exactly that.

  13. Re:boys with their penis substitutes by Sockatume · · Score: 2

    I was always under the impression that arms races were one of those unfortunate systematic effects that arise spontaneously, and don't depend on ego on the part of either side. We certainly seem to see them in scenarios where human actors are not involved.

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  14. Re:Mirrors.. by pnutjam · · Score: 2

    Better solution: 2+ missiles
    Best solution: supersonic rail gun launched iron rods that do their damage via kinetic energy. If they hit as a solid rod or as a molten lump it's mostly the same.