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Comcast Donates Heavily To Defeat Mayor Who Is Bringing Gigabit Fiber To Seattle

Hugh Pickens DOT Com writes "Andrea Peterson reports in the Washington Post that one of Seattle Mayor Mike McGinn's big policy initiatives has been expanding the quality and quantity of high-speed Internet access throughout the city. However incumbent providers, particularly Comcast, have invested heavily in defeating McGinn in the mayoral election. While Comcast denies there is any connection between McGinn's broadband policies and their donations, the company has given thousands of dollars to PACs that have, in turn, given heavily to anti-McGinn groups. One of McGinn's core promises in the 2009 campaign was to 'develop a city-wide broadband system.' The mayor considered creating a citywide broadband system as a public utility, like water or electricity. But aides say that would have been too expensive, so the mayor settled on public-private partnerships using city-owned dark fiber. This dark fiber was laid down starting in 1995, and the mayor's office now says there are some 535 miles of it, only a fraction of which is being used. In June, the partnership, called Gigabit Squared, announced pricing for its Seattle service: $45 dollars a month for 100 Mbps service or $80 a month for 1 Gbps service plus a one-time installation cost of $350 that will be waived for customers signing a one-year contract. For comparison, Comcast, one of the primary Internet providers in the area, offers 105 Mbps service in the area for $114.99 a month, according to their website. If Comcast is indeed attempting to sway the election, it would fall in line with a larger pattern of telecom interests lobbying against municipal efforts to create their own municipal broadband systems or leveraging city-owner fiber resources to create more competition for incumbent providers. Peterson writes, '...if Comcast's donations help Murray defeat McGinn, it will send a powerful message to mayors in other American cities considering initiatives to increase broadband competition.'"

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  1. And this is why... by XPeter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...Lobbying needs to be illegal. Period.

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    1. Re:And this is why... by ArcadeMan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Lobbying used to be called bribery. Funds for campaigns should be taken from the city/state/country funds, in equal parts for all candidates.

    2. Re:And this is why... by bob_super · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There's a whole universe between "people should shut up" and "people with money can spend unlimited on corruption if they call it contributions".

      Almost all democracies limit the money flowing around politics. None has done it perfectly, but the US has a particularly bad version.

    3. Re:And this is why... by CanHasDIY · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Passing an Amendment is difficult enough, and you want to repeal the First Amendment.

      Not necessarily; to me, it sound like he wants to get rid of this stupid concepts that corporation == a person, and that money == speech.

      Because, see, the First Amendment gives the People a right to petition the government for redress of grievances; what it does not provide for is a way for any person or group to buy the legislation they want to have enacted.

      Besides, according to the Constitution money cannot equal speech, because free speech is an equal proposition, and having more money than other people is not supposed to mean you have more free speech than they do. I don't even understand how such a thing could make sense to anyone.

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    4. Re:And this is why... by amoeba1911 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Greed is the real problem. Today's crony capitalism is just the latest way for the destructive force of unchecked greed to manifest itself. Greed consumes.

    5. Re:And this is why... by LordLimecat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Funds for campaigns should be taken from the city/state/country funds, in equal parts for all candidates.

      Wonderful! Im a candidate. Funds, please.

    6. Re:And this is why... by vux984 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Funds, please.

      5000 signatures first please, and remember we'll call a sampling of them, so they better be real.

      Then we expect some expense reports for the funds, and remember we may audit those, and there's all sorts of felony stuff for misusing the funds. And you can't hide behind a corporation. This is on you.

      What you thought you could say you were a candidate and then buy a boat?

    7. Re:And this is why... by PsychoSlashDot · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Passing an Amendment is difficult enough, and you want to repeal the First Amendment. As bad as Lobbying sounds not having the law that allows Lobbying to occur would be much much worse.

      Bull. Nobody is talking about removing your right to write your elected officials a letter asking them to do or not do something. What is being talked about is removing your right to stuff the envelope full of money.

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    8. Re:And this is why... by cusco · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What would be difficult about creating a boundary between the rights of a paper entity, a corporation, and a flesh-and-blood human being? Person has rights protected by the Constitution, corporation does not. It ain't rocket surgery.

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  2. And Yet by fullback · · Score: 5, Insightful

    people will continue to parrot the line that the reason the U.S. has expensive and slow internet service is because the country is too big.
    "It's too big!"
    Nonsense. If it's too big, how in the world did you get those water, sewer and phone lines?
    Watch how many people will say the same thing again and again in comments below.
    "It's too big!"

    1. Re:And Yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The "It's too big" argument only applies in the country or in small towns (like here in Montana). After all, most of these areas do not have sewer or water lines but instead use septic and wells. But it makes absolutely no sense in the big cities of the United States where all of this infrastructure exists. We shouldn't be concerned that some areas have expensive Internet service, but it is concerning that everyone has expensive Internet service.

    2. Re:And Yet by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It IS, in fact, too big given our current way our telecommunications infrastructure is paid for. The only incentive telecom companies have is a profit motive, and spending $10 million to pull a high-capacity fiber or build a digital microwave relay to a place like Burns, Oregon to only service a few hundred subscribers doesn't return the kind of investment today's stockholders want

      Under the current incentives, telecom companies don't even have an incentive to pull fiber even in large cities! That's the goddamn problem here!

      The rural fiber cost issue is a red herring. It is absolutely not an excuse for failing to provide decent connectivity in urban areas. (For example, I live about 3 miles from the center of a metro area containing 5 million people, and all I can get is Comcast cable for $$$$$, shit DSL, or shit Wi-Max.) This should be considered absolutely unacceptable in 2013 in urban America.

      The real issue is regulatory capture, and anyone who says otherwise is a lying asshole shill.

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  3. That's what votes are for by Overzeetop · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Votes, not money, decide the answer; but you can campaign untruthfully with no ramifications. At that point money = votes.

    Corporations don't live or breathe, people do. And the people who run those corporations and profit from them have the exact same weight in the ballot box as anyone else. Anyone who is used to getting their way every day because they have money finds this equality to be horribly unfair.

    Here's the thing: if Comcast made a product that was so fabulous that nobody would even want a government run version we wouldn't be having this discussion.

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    1. Re:That's what votes are for by LordLimecat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So whats the solution? Make it illegal to state a political opinion? Make it illegal to pay someone to state theirs? Make it illegal to say political opinions on the air?

    2. Re:That's what votes are for by PsychoSlashDot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So whats the solution? Make it illegal to state a political opinion? Make it illegal to pay someone to state theirs? Make it illegal to say political opinions on the air?

      Yes. Yes. No.

      Corporations have disproportionate cash resources compared to individuals and so should be disqualified from "expressing an opinion". If the CEOs, CFOs and CIOs want to influence elections to protect their gravy train, they can do so on a personal basis. They should never be permitted to redirect corporate funds towards campaigns. Also, while we're at it, to be fair no individual should be permitted to spend more than a reasonable amount as a campaign contribution. Say... $1,000

      Candidates should stand on their merits, not their wallets.

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  4. Kleptocracy... by mspohr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is just the way capitalism works in the US. Corporations buy politicians (and get rid of politicians who don't go along with their program).
    The free market is wonderful.
    USA is number 1 !!!!

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  5. Perhaps Google's plan is working? by froggymana · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Isn't this what Google wanted? I've always been under the impression that Google didn't necessarily want to become a large ISP, but instead wanted to spark competition.

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  6. RTFA by jklovanc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    According to the numbers in the article a Comcat executive contributed $700 and the company contributed $10,000 to PACs. Sorry buit I doubt that $10,700 will buy an election.
    Look at all contribution to People for Ed Murray. The total contribution are $122,800 making Comcast's contribution 8.7%.

  7. Re:just donate by somersault · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why should anyone donate to have a government servant put in place? It's pretty ridiculous. There should be no donations allowed. And there should be voting on issues, rather than people. Being a politician should just be a job, not a popularity contest.

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    which is totally what she said
  8. US lagging behind in pricing compared to world by SirLoper · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Already in the US, we pay more per Mb/s than pretty much any other 1st world country. This isn't due to the size, as some would have you believe, but rather due to the lack of oversight, regulation and, most importantly, competition. There are no laws preventing the formation of what basically become monopolies from companies such as Comcast, where they can charge what they want and basically print their own money. I sincerely hope that they are not successful in basically paying to avoid having real competition. I know I, personally, would love to have "real" Internet speeds provided to me at world-comparable rates, no matter if they came from State, county, city or private sources. Just bring it on!

  9. What the rest of the world calls corruption... by X.25 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...in the US is called "lobbying".

    Quite sad, actually.

  10. And the masses do nothing... by EMG+at+MU · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is there huge public backlash against Citizens United? Are people marching in the streets against corporate "lobbying"? Are people dumping Comcast because they disagree with their business practices? Will people come out in droves to denounce McGinn's opponent for benefiting from sweet corporate cash? Are the corporations who will do _anything_ to make a profit getting the message that the public disagrees with their business practices?

    No.

    Stories like this make me upset, because its the same as story about one soldier dying in a war where millions of soldiers are killed. This is one tiny example of how business works in America. Every day in every federal, state, county, and city goverment shit like this happens. Lets have a discussion about that.

  11. Re:and the problem is... ? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's not for Comcast to judge whether it is a good or a bad idea. It is for the people of Seattle to decide.

    If no-one but the broadband companies has an interest in not seeing it happen, then it's probably a good idea. After all, why should the rest of us make decisions based on what's best for broadband companies? The viability of their business model is not the concern of the general public; if someone else can provide the same service better and cheaper, too bad for them.