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Duke Univ. Device Converts Stray Wireless Energy Into Electricity For Charging

Lucas123 writes "Engineers at Duke University say they've constructed a device that can collect stray wireless signals and convert them into energy to charge batteries in devices such as cell phones and tablets. The WiFi collection device, made of cheap copper coils and fiberglass, can even aggregate energy from satellite signals and sound waves (abstract). The researchers created a series of five fiberglass and copper energy conductors on a circuit board, which was able to convert microwaves into 7.3V of electrical energy. By comparison, Universal Serial Bus (USB) chargers for small electronic devices provide about 5V of power. The device, the researchers say, is as efficient as solar cells with an energy conversion rate of 37%."

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  1. Units! by olsmeister · · Score: 5, Funny

    7.3V of energy? USB provides 5V of power? Arggh. I think my head just asploded.

    1. Re:Units! by GenieGenieGenie · · Score: 4, Funny

      If you smoke enough pot, as the authors of this cheap attempt at attention-grabbing surely must have, you start seeing double and 5V turns to 55W...

    2. Re:Units! by istartedi · · Score: 3, Funny

      Just relax and drink a few amperes of beer. That'll help.

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    3. Re:Units! by wjr · · Score: 4, Funny

      And if I scuff my feet while walking across the room, I can generate TWENTY! THOUSAND! VOLTS! OF! ENERGY! Someone hook me up to the power grid!

    4. Re:Units! by Arancaytar · · Score: 4, Funny

      charge of many thousands of volts

      You're not helping.

    5. Re:Units! by TooTechy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Way back in the 70's (early 80s?) I recall a guy who wrapped his whole house in copper wire making large coils to tap the energy from the overhead power cables. He powered his whole house off this which was a mistake. The authorities charged him with theft.

    6. Re:Units! by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Funny

      So you're saying that his house coil didn't resonate well with the utility company?

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    7. Re:Units! by Penguinisto · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Nope, it didn't, since induction was the key, not resonance. ;)

      IIRC, the rig involved the peculiar way the tension lines ran in parallel to his roof peak-line. This allowed him to wrap a shitload of long, large wooden dowels with copper wire, then hang them in his attic, orienting them all parallel to the overhead lines. The results would be captured, cleaned-up, and then presented to his home circuitry as household power (120VAC, 60Hz, etc).

      Pretty simple, really - but yeah, I remember his being charged with theft as well (though technically, I think nowadays that wouldn't fly as easily, since there have since been plenty of legal precedents made that allow you to make free use of any and all magnetic and radio energy that falls on your property, even if you get it through induction.)

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    8. Re:Units! by NatasRevol · · Score: 2

      If you say so.

      ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ...............poof!

      crackle crackle crackle

      hisssssssssssssss.....

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    9. Re:Units! by DarkOx · · Score: 2

      The trouble with great schemes like that is people always get greedy. Had he not tried to power the entire house with it, but say maybe just moved the circuits for several rooms as load for the induction coil, so that he still used some power from the grid and paid his bill, i bet he could have got about half his power free and they'd have never caught on.

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    10. Re:Units! by WillKemp · · Score: 2

      The article says 7.3v into 70-80 ohms, which means about 0.7 watts. Or, if you prefer energy, that's 0.7 joules per second.

    11. Re:Units! by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      Pretty simple, really - but yeah, I remember his being charged with theft as well (though technically, I think nowadays that wouldn't fly as easily, since there have since been plenty of legal precedents made that allow you to make free use of any and all magnetic and radio energy that falls on your property, even if you get it through induction.)

      He could have said that the intent in planting the coils in his attic was to filter out the harmful EM energy before it reaches his bedroom and endangers his health in sleep. (Frankly, I don't know what to make of a situation when a residential house can extract energy like this. There must be some hygienic limits, aren't they?)

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    12. Re:Units! by Penguinisto · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Exactly. For the win? If he had a few solar panels parked on his roof (even if they were never hooked up), it would easily explain why his usage patterns were screwy at times, explain a battery bank, and even (in states with solar tariff credits) allow him to sell the power company their own juice back.

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    13. Re:Units! by Algae_94 · · Score: 2

      Whoosh you say? So your story is that you intentionally misused Volts as a unit of charge?

    14. Re:Units! by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2

      I can connect the terminals of a 1.5 V AA battery through a 10 megohm resistor but I don't get millions of watts. If that worked I could just disconnect the circuit entirely and have the most powerful powerplant in the world! Until someone didn't connect the terminals on a 9 volt, that is.

      Measuring voltage drop across a resistor can give you a measurement of power, but I seriously doubt that's where that 7.3 V comes from. As another poster pointed out, you can't get more than a few tens of milliwatts from a wifi signal if you're sitting on top of the transmitter under ideal circumstances.

    15. Re:Units! by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2

      Proof that pussy does run the world... ;)

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    16. Re:Units! by Cloudy+Wheat+Beer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      He was not discovered for that reason. A device known as a TDR ( Time Domain Refelectrometer ) is used by the industry to determine where, and what kind of faults, lie on the transmission line. It sends a pulse down the line, and then analyzes the reflection that comes back to determine the location ( distance down the line) and fault type ( open or short circuit ). This guy's unauthorized 'tap' on the transmission line would show up on the results. The lines company could then easily find out where the 'extra' transformer is located, and the guy is busted. Ive heard of farmers using overhead transmission lines to power their electric fences, and were discovered by this method.

  2. Too bad by XanC · · Score: 4, Funny

    This summary had such potential, too.

    1. Re:Too bad by TooTechy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Ugh. And the unit we want is missing...

      Look at Watt they make you give... (Clive Owen)

    2. Re:Too bad by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I am resisting the urge to laugh.

    3. Re:Too bad by Billy+the+Mountain · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ohm my god!

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    4. Re:Too bad by Arancaytar · · Score: 3, Funny

      At least this headline is current.

    5. Re:Too bad by belphegore · · Score: 2

      It's not totally missing. Max legal wifi xmit power is 100mW at the source. Conversion at the receiver is ~37% efficient. So if you're directly on top of the xmitter, capturing ALL the (generally omni-radiated) energy, you'd get 37mW of power. USB on newer devices is like ~10W.

      And of course if you're not capturing 100% of the signal in all directions, and if you're away from the source (remember friends: inverse square power dropoff), then you'll be lucky to get even a mW.

    6. Re:Too bad by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2

      My university (and my former one) has the press office e-mail the article to the researcher for editing, comment and approval. It's not that hard.

    7. Re:Too bad by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm resisting the urge to cry. TFA on the Duke University web site makes the same mistake.

      The whole article smells of bullshit. It's easy to generate 7V from radio waves, I have done it myself, but the amount of current is tiny. I could run a small LCD clock or ultra low power microcontroller, but never charge a phone from it. Even an old Nokia dumbphone needs far more power than this or the small solar panel it is compared to can provide. We are in battery backed solar calculator territory here.

      It's s shame because there are genuine uses for this kind of technology. Sensors that need to operate in the dark but are very low power, for example. No-one will be charging their smartphone this way unless they get in the order of 100,000x more efficient though.

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  3. Free by Princeofcups · · Score: 2

    Free energy from the ether! Not.

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    1. Re:Free by dbIII · · Score: 2

      To continue on that analogy, the spectrum of light emmited is not continuous so you don't have to have black to get most or all of it. With solar radiation it's the same deal and something not that far off a terracotta colour gets almost as much as black.

  4. Resistor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hey, I can get -174 dBm/Hz from a 50 Ohm resistor too. Free energy!

    1. Re:Resistor by McGregorMortis · · Score: 4, Informative

      Your joke is too subtle without a reference.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnson%E2%80%93Nyquist_noise

    2. Re:Resistor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Jokes like that are intended for people who get the joke and shouldn't need explanation.
      I can tell you got it though :)

    3. Re:Resistor by Moof123 · · Score: 2

      I got it just fine.

  5. microwaves at what field strength? by swschrad · · Score: 3, Insightful

    news flash: any antenna provides voltage. usually in the microvolt range. to get enough voltage like they did, say, enough to blow a FET in the front end of a receiver at basically no current, you have to put the antenna in one hell of a strong RF field. a field strong enough to produce enough current to charge batteries or operate CMOS circuits is a field too strong to stay in, according to FCC emission guidelines. so I see this as a project for a grade, and not a "discovery."

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  6. 7.3V? Psh! by Schrockwell · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I can build up a couple kilovolts by scuffing my shoes on the carpet.

    Also, sure it might be 37% efficient, but do you realize how SMALL the density of RF energy is? The Friis transmission equation gives you some idea: it decreases by the square of the distance away from the source, due to that power spreading out in a sphere. When you start off with only a couple mW of power and an omnidirectional antenna, there isn't much power left to harvest when these tiny receiving "metamaterial" antennas are even just a few feet from an access point.

  7. For $4, you can read the paper by Animats · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here's the actual paper's paywall. All the paper claims is that "A maximum of 36.8% of the incident power from a 900âMHz signal is experimentally rectified by an array of metamaterial unit cells." So they built a rectenna with a waveguide.

    Rectennas have been around for decades, and 82% efficiency (DC watts out / microwave watts into antenna) has been achieved. So 37% is nothing to be excited about.

    If you hook up two long wires or plates to a diode, any RF in the vicinity will produce some DC across the diode. This is the principle behind "crystal radios". The problem is that you need big antennas to get much power from ambient RF.

    1. Re:For $4, you can read the paper by hubie · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, the difference here is that they built a rectenna out of metamaterials, specifically a split-ring resonator (SRR) design. I presume their point here is that they came up with a compact rectenna design that can work fairly well at 900 MHz. The paper you referenced with the 82% efficiency used a dipole antenna for 5.8 GHz. The wavelength at 5.8 GHz is something like 50 mm, and they used a 1/2 wave dipole antenna (their length was around 25 mm). The wavelength at 900 MHz is 333 mm, but their SRR design was only 40 mm on a side (a 1/2 wave dipole would have to be 150 mm or so).

      I don't think they were making any claims of new physics here, but probably pointing out a design that would be fairly compact and leverage all the 900 MHz EMI flying around. For what its worth, their max efficiency occurred for a resistive load of 70 Ohms, which is a reasonable load for something that you want to power with an energy harvester.

    2. Re:For $4, you can read the paper by Animats · · Score: 2

      The wavelength at 900 MHz is 333 mm, but their SRR design was only 40 mm on a side (a 1/2 wave dipole would have to be 150 mm or so).

      Their waveguide/horn is much bigger than 40mm. More like 150mm x 500mm or so. It looks like a reasonable sized horn for 900MHz. They've been able to reduce the size of the rectenna at the focus, but the whole assembly is still big.

      Microwave antenna design is weird. Here's some readable background material if anyone cares. Radio hams are routinely able to build 50% efficient microwave antennas. Above that level it starts to get complicated.

  8. Re:Amps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Approximately zero.

  9. Grad students by OptimalCynic · · Score: 2

    This is why idiotic grad student posters shouldn't be shown to over enthusiastic marketing types.

  10. Cell phones? by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The FCC limits wireless access point RF power to 1 watt.

    From the image, I would guess that the metal thingy is 2 feet square, or about 1/3 square meter. I can't tell from the image whether the capture aperture is the profile or the end of the wedge, but let's give it the benefit of the doubt.

    Standing 10 meters from a WAP is a sphere with area 4*M_PI*R^2 = 1256 m^2. A 1/3 meter capture aperture would eclipse 0.3/1256 of this, for about 240 microwatts. At 37% efficiency, that's about 80 microwatts. (Am I doing this right?)

    Maybe possibly this could power micropower sensors (note: with a 2-foot square antenna on each one).

    But a cell phone?

  11. This signal followed me home - can I keep it? by mwehle · · Score: 3, Funny

    Engineers at Duke University say they've constructed a device that can collect stray wireless signals

    WTF is a "stray wireless signal"? This is a signal without an owner? Slipped out of its collar?

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  12. Not enough energy, missing the point! by foxalopex · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This doesn't even pass the common sense logic rules if you understand physics. The issue is there's not much energy in these types of radio waves. A cellphone transmits a maximum of around 1 watts, a wifi router 50 milliwatts if you're lucky. By the time the radio waves have reached you their effective power has already dissipated by the square of the distance. Sure you might get a voltage potential that's in the 7 volt range but how's that useful if there's next to no current to do anything. Short of standing under a high voltage power line or next to some high power transmitter which probably wouldn't be safe for your health, this isn't going to work.

    People also misunderstand Tesla's work. Tesla's work wasn't that you could just pop up an antenna and get free power. His plans involved putting up a massive transmission tower that would dump power into the air at an efficient frequency. A coil and antenna could then be used to pick up this power wirelessly. Great idea but the issue then is how exactly would you charge for this power when anyone with some know how could build a receiver to grab the "free" power?

    1. Re:Not enough energy, missing the point! by Animats · · Score: 2

      Tesla's work wasn't that you could just pop up an antenna and get free power. His plans involved putting up a massive transmission tower that would dump power into the air at an efficient frequency. A coil and antenna could then be used to pick up this power wirelessly.

      Right. When you read his plans, he's taking about a system where a small town is powered by a massive transmitter, each attic is full of antennas, and each house gets one (1) 40-watt light bulb.

    2. Re:Not enough energy, missing the point! by Kaenneth · · Score: 2

      Great idea but the issue then is how exactly would you charge for this power when anyone with some know how could build a receiver to grab the "free" power?

      Just encrypt the signal.

  13. Re:radiation too? by Entropius · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nuclear radiation doesn't work that way. We have gizmos that turn nuclear radiation into power; they're called radiothermal generators, and work by absorbing the radiation with some material that heats up, then capturing the thermal energy as it flows across a Peltier junction. We power spacecraft with 'em.

    But this doesn't make the plutonium less radioactive any faster. Those plutonium nuclei are still going to take their sweet time decaying.

    Nuclear power plants take advantage of this, too; heat in the reactor core is heat in the reactor core, and it doesn't matter whether it comes from fission directly or from secondary decay of fission products. But we can't do anything magic to fission products to make them decay into something stable any faster; eventually they get far enough down the decay chain to something long-lived enough that it's not worth trying to harvest the heat they release any more.

  14. Re:radiation too? by Carnildo · · Score: 2

    But we can't do anything magic to fission products to make them decay into something stable any faster

    Actually, we can. Neutron bombardment will usually create particles that are less stable, so they take a faster decay chain down to a stable state. It's a tradeoff: your radioactive waste becomes more radioactive, but for less time.

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  15. Re:radiation too? by TapeCutter · · Score: 2

    If the early nuclear reactors were not built with the dual role of creating bombs in mind, then there would be no wasteland. Pebble bed reactors are one example of clean, failsafe nuclear power. The basic principle in TFA has been know for centuries, I learnt it the 60's as child when dad helped me build a crystal radio. The material with the properties you describe is also well known to electrical engineers, they call it "unobtanium".

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  16. Re:Tesla did it already. by TapeCutter · · Score: 2

    Telsa was undoubtedly a genius but his transmission technique was (and still is) ridiculously inefficient compared to a metal wires. And yes, Edison used propaganda and dirty tricks against Telsa, just like the gas light companies did to Edison, just like the coal miners are doing to the wind/solar farmers right now. It's not a conspiracy, it's just plain old greed.

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  17. Re:Meaningless numbers by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 2

    > voltage is not meaningless. It's the speed at which the electronic (sic) charge passes a given point.

    Electric charge, or Coulomb, has dimensions: Amp*Sec

    The units on Voltage are: kg*m^2/sec^3/Amp which decomposes to: T^2/S^3

    Rewriting voltage in terms of Energy = (kg*m^2/s^2), we are left with:
          Voltage = Energy / Coulomb
    or even
          Voltage = Watts/Amps = J/s/Amp = Amp*J/S

    There is NO speed nor velocity in that definition.

    If you are being pedantic and going to try to refer to the m/s such as:
      V = (N*m) / (Amp*s) = N/Amp * m/s
    The N/Amp is NOT equivalent to Coulombs.

    Furthermore,
      * The units on distance are: S
      * The units on velocity are: S/T
      * The units on acceleration are: S/T^2

    Voltage is the analogous DUAL of acceleration.

    Please do some basic dimensional analysis before spouting off such rubbish.

  18. Re:Amps? by Anomalyst · · Score: 2

    less than 12 with right ship and pilot, is that fast enough for you, old man?

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  19. Measuring charge by measuring potential by tepples · · Score: 2

    Volts aren't a unit of charge (the proper unit is coulomb or ampere-hour), but potential can be used to estimate charge of a carbon-zinc, alkaline, NiCd, or NiMH battery. The internal resistance of these kinds of batteries varies based on the remaining charge. If a battery has x coulombs of charge left in it, its output potential will be y volts. A more direct relationship between charge and potential can be seen in a capacitor, which puts out a potential roughly proportional to the charge on it.

  20. Attenuating waves and generating harmonics. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This device will also interfere with the radio signals. It will both attenuate them and create harmonics due to the rectifiers.

    "Raising ground resistance" by having radio-energy-utilizing devices pull power from the air is a non-trivial issue.

    Example: A former colleague had, previously, been a plant manager for a factory in a small African country. The plant was in the country's capital, home to their "voice of the fearless leader" high-powered radio station.

    One day, while touring the plant, he found a collection of burned-out fluorescent tubes, and had them hauled away. Shortly after he was contacted by his maintenance head, who asked him not to do it again. It seems there was a black market in burned out fluorescent tubes.

    The radio station was so strong that, if you put three feet of wire on each end of a burned-out tube it would light up quite nicely from the radio power. A lot of people couldn't afford electricity and light fixtures. But a burned out tube and six feet of wire was readily available. So much of the town's houses were illuminated this way.

    So many were, in fact, that the radio signal would no longer reach the edges of the country. So Fearless Leader would send his troops through town when the attenuation got to be a problem, and they'd confiscate and smash the tubes of all the improvised radio-powered lights they found. After each such raid, the people would be down at the plant to buy more "dead" tubes, creating a profitable side-business for the maintenance guy.

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  21. Re:Eunuchs! by ninlilizi · · Score: 2

    If you'd check the specification sheet that came with your cat. You'd discover the electrical characteristics of fur are not dependent on the observation of its quantum state.
    Living or dead. Your cat will perform identically in this application provided your beowulf cluster is designed in a way to minimize hair loss and skin decay.

    Unfortunately, Wolfram is unable to give me the weight of a standard cat. But I'd guestimate your feline autostroaker cluster to weigh in similarly to your cars existing battery with the much lower energy density preventing you from driving under any bridges or entering multistory carparks.

  22. Re:Eunuchs! by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2

    You're overlooking the obvious benefit of the cat-powered car: if it ever rolls over, it will always land on its tires.

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