CyanogenMod Powered Oppo N1 Will Be Released In December

Re:I don't even know what you're talking about by Lando · 2013-11-09 02:36 · Score: 1

Slashvertisement, looks like a phone with a camera you can flip from one side to another rather than just having two cameras. No real information from the link.

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3G / no microSD by bill_mcgonigle · 2013-11-09 02:43 · Score: 3, Insightful

I just happen to be researching my next device in another tab - I use a Verizon MVNO - the Galaxy S4 looks like the contender if I can find an unlocked CDMA version of it. I've already accepted the need for a bluetooth mini keyboard and an external battery pack to replace my Droid 3.

Then this came up so I followed links to links to specs. "Ah, I could support CyanogenMod. I don't really need 4G for anything. I'm always in it for the underdog".

But, "oh, no microSD slot."

If anybody has links for how to use an unlocked S4 on Verizon prepaid, much appreciated.

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Re:3G / no microSD by thrift24 · 2013-11-09 06:08 · Score: 1

What do you even want a microsd slot for? The device will still have storage, most likely much faster than an sdcard. You can simply plug your android device into a computer and use this storage as a USB drive AND your phone can use the storage at the same time. More computers have USB ports than have SD slots .. Then you've probably got to use the micro SD to SD converter card... And to get to the sdcard you almost always have to remove the cover of the phone. What benefit does an sdcard provide?
Re:3G / no microSD by lexman098 · 2013-11-09 09:48 · Score: 2

What do you even want a microsd slot for?
More space than the manufacturers give you.

The device will still have storage, most likely much faster than an sdcard.
They won't have 32-64 Gigabytes of storage (which I need for music etc), and if they did they would charge you out the ass for it. 32 and 64 GB SD cards aren't exactly cheap, but at least once you've bought one you can use it in all future phones you buy. Also, it's not any slower than internal storage. In fact the 16GB of storage in my xperia T is literally another embedded SD card.

You can simply plug your android device into a computer and use this storage as a USB drive AND your phone can use the storage at the same time.

Yes this is how it works with SD cards too. You obviously have never tried this, and you should. It's much more convenient to have modular storage.
Re:3G / no microSD by mythosaz · 2013-11-11 04:59 · Score: 1

The vocal minority wants to have big SD card full of music.
Nobody else has cared in a long time now that phone capacity is big enough to store thousands of photos and songs all by itself.

Re:I don't even know what you're talking about by __aaltlg1547 · 2013-11-09 02:51 · Score: 4, Informative

Oppo is a Chinese phone manufacturer. OPPO N1 an Android phone that will be preloaded with Cyanogenmod, which is a fully open source, downloadable version of Android. CyanogenMod has been porting and maintaining Android for years for many brands and models of phones.

Re:No point if there's no instructs on unlocking k by __aaltlg1547 · 2013-11-09 02:54 · Score: 1

Until they change the law so it clearly says it's a user's right to unlock his own phone whenever he wants, most steer clear of this.
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/01/28/federal-mandate-makes-unlocking-cellphones-a-punishable-crime/

Re:I don't even know what you're talking about by tepples · 2013-11-09 03:15 · Score: 1

Would "Android with a fully open source userspace" have been more accurate?

Play store? by recoiledsnake · 2013-11-09 03:16 · Score: 1

Will it have the Play store and all the Google Apps?

I am guessing no because Google once send a C&D to Cyanogen Mod.

http://lifehacker.com/5367693/google-sends-cease-and-desist-to-cyanogenmod-android-hacker

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/10/googles-iron-grip-on-android-controlling-open-source-by-any-means-necessary/

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Re:Play store? by citizenr · 2013-11-09 03:27 · Score: 1

It will, CM is castrating new roms left and right to please Google. No root, no save to SDcard, and so on.

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Re:Play store? by karnal · 2013-11-09 03:31 · Score: 1

This is extremely similar to wanting to play MP3s on a linux box. The various distributors of linux cannot include this capability in the distribution, but it can be installed somewhat easily. Same with Cyanogenmod; after installing the rom you install the google apps bundle for that android version - and wham, google play (and all the other goodies.)
This might be something to where the handset manufacturer would pay (and charge the customer?) to distribute it on the phone the day of purchase. In addition, I would imagine that the license would allow those apps to be updated as Cyanogenmod is updated; time will tell.

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Re:Play store? by Crudely_Indecent · 2013-11-09 04:18 · Score: 3, Informative

I have a very recent (days old) CM 10.2 nightly on my phone and it not only works great - but I have root, play store and other google apps, I save to the SD card regularly.
From my experience - everything you've said here is false.

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Re:Play store? by foma84 · 2013-11-09 04:37 · Score: 1

Since nobody else pointed this out: there are also other apps and markets similar to Play Store, just "unofficial", with all the benefits and quirks that come along. Just sayin'.
Re:Play store? by Crudely_Indecent · 2013-11-09 17:16 · Score: 1

I stand corrected. It seems they are planning these things for future versions. It isn't currently true though.

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Re:No point if there's no instructs on unlocking k by tepples · 2013-11-09 03:16 · Score: 1

There's really no point to these roms if there's no instructions on how to properly unlock a kernel for NA phones.

Step 1: Drop VZW, Sprint, or AT&T and switch to T-Mobile or a GSM MVNO. Step 2: Buy a phone that's already unlocked.

File systems commonly used on SD are patented by tepples · 2013-11-09 03:20 · Score: 3, Informative

But, "oh, no microSD slot."

Microsoft makes $2 billion per year from patent royalties on Android devices and is assumed to spend the money on keeping its Windows Phone division afloat. Makers of devices without a microSD slot don't have to pay VFAT or exFAT royalties to Microsoft.

Re:File systems commonly used on SD are patented by Anonymous Coward · 2013-11-09 03:27 · Score: 1, Insightful

And the fact that I'd love to pay a few pennies for that royalty to make my life easier may surprise you. It might also surprise you that I don't give a shit if someone has to pay Microsoft a royalty, I want what I want and don't share your opinion.
Re:File systems commonly used on SD are patented by Anonymous Coward · 2013-11-09 04:18 · Score: 1

And the fact that I'd love to pay a few pennies for that royalty to make my life easier may surprise you. It might also surprise you that I don't give a shit if someone has to pay Microsoft a royalty, I want what I want and don't share your opinion.
So go buy an Android phone from Sony, or one of the others who offer exactky what you want. That, after all, is the beauty of Android. Multiple manufacturers offering a wide variety of phones, so there's a compatible device the works for almost everyone. There's no need to squeeze your expectations into the single device offered by the main competition.
But, when it comes to a an article about a replacement OS that is based around being fully open source, it shouldn't really surprise anyone if they've attempted to limit the patent liability. Given that, your comment is not only rude, it's also out of place.
Re:File systems commonly used on SD are patented by CastrTroy · 2013-11-09 06:50 · Score: 2

What does an SD card slot have to do with VFAT and exFAT patents. Couldn't they just format the card with EXT4, and ignore the patents. Sure you couldn't read the SD card on your windows machine, but I'm sure most people would still find the slot useful.

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Re:File systems commonly used on SD are patented by tepples · 2013-11-09 09:01 · Score: 1

Sure you couldn't read the SD card on your windows machine
Exactly. People would complain that they can't eject the card, put it in a PC running stock Windows, load videos onto it, and put it back in the phone. Or they'd put it in a PC running stock Windows, not know what "format" means, and raise a stink when all their data disappears.
Re:File systems commonly used on SD are patented by lexman098 · 2013-11-09 09:50 · Score: 1

Makers of devices without a microSD slot don't have to pay VFAT or exFAT royalties to Microsoft.
Aside from the fact that a software patent is different from a hardware patent, why not just offer an alternative? For nexus phones at least, I believe it's because Google wants you to stream everything (from them).
Re:File systems commonly used on SD are patented by evilviper · 2013-11-09 10:53 · Score: 1

Microsoft makes $2 billion per year from patent royalties on Android devices
And it's BS to claim it's all (or mostly) from patents on FAT32. Microsoft has LOTS of patents.

Makers of devices without a microSD slot don't have to pay VFAT or exFAT royalties to Microsoft.
Really? Than how does your Android device show up as a USB mass storage device when connected to your Windows computer?

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Re:File systems commonly used on SD are patented by bill_mcgonigle · 2013-11-09 12:29 · Score: 1

Every freaking Windows peripheral requires a driver install - people are conditioned. If the Android device comes with a driver disk that happens to implement ext4 or ZFS or whatever on Windows, nobody will know the difference.
$2B/yr could write a lovely ext driver for Windows.

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Re:File systems commonly used on SD are patented by tlhIngan · 2013-11-09 18:18 · Score: 1

Makers of devices without a microSD slot don't have to pay VFAT or exFAT royalties to Microsoft.
Aside from the fact that a software patent is different from a hardware patent, why not just offer an alternative? For nexus phones at least, I believe it's because Google wants you to stream everything (from them).
That's one reason. Another one is to avoid patents.
Google does its best to avoid patents - the famous "rounded corners" patent includes a grid of icons with a static tray at the bottom. Android's closest is a "home screen" but it is more than a grid of icons as it has widgets and such and the app launcher loses the tray. Thust by default, Android does NOT violate the "rounded cornders" patent because at no time does it meet all the requirements.
Likewise, by not having a microSD slot, Google avoids violating the FAT/exFAT patents. And by using MTP (which is still fairly crappy) they avoid needing it for internal storage as well.
Re:File systems commonly used on SD are patented by lexman098 · 2013-11-10 03:37 · Score: 1

Yes, but they don't have to use FAT at all. They could use ext* or something. People wouldn't be able to plug the card directly into their windows computers, but without an SD card at all you get the same effect. Write to the storage card by using MTP through the phone.
Re:File systems commonly used on SD are patented by CastrTroy · 2013-11-11 01:40 · Score: 1

Or they could just implement things differently. When plugging your phone in, it presents itself as a network card (one that Windows already has a driver for), at the other end of the fake network is an FTP server. Plug in the phone, Computer thinks it's added a new network, On the screen of the phone, display the address they need to visit in Explorer (or anything else with FTP capabilities) to access the server. There you go, easy access to your phone's file system, without requiring people to implement a driver. I'm sure there's downsides to this too. But there's a million ways to work around this problem. Not wanting to use FAT/exFAT is absolutely not the reason they aren't putting SD Card slots in these things.

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Re:I don't even know what you're talking about by Enry · 2013-11-09 03:49 · Score: 2

CyanogenMod is a custom ROM for a wide variety of Android phones. It's been around almost forever (I installed it on my OG Droid). I can forgive not saying what CM is, but WTF is an Oppo?

Re:I don't even know what you're talking about by tepples · 2013-11-09 03:55 · Score: 1

CyanogenMod comes without "the whole Google crap". Users are expected to back up vending.apk from their own devices and restore it after installing CM.

Re:..without the user needing to root by BradleyUffner · 2013-11-09 03:56 · Score: 1

Cyanogenmod started removing features as soon as they sold out. One of them was root.

I've seen this posted a lot, but I haven't seen it. I download and install the latest nightly version every morning after I wake up. My phone still has root and I haven't seen any mention of removing it in any of the change logs.

Re:..without the user needing to root by Crudely_Indecent · 2013-11-09 04:21 · Score: 1

He/she's posted this same nonsense twice in this article. I think we have an android hater here.

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Re:I don't even know what you're talking about by Nerdfest · 2013-11-09 04:22 · Score: 1

That won't stop the spread of FUD though.

Re:I don't even know what you're talking about by Grishnakh · 2013-11-09 04:23 · Score: 4, Insightful

Articles here about Linux don't say what the hell Linux is either. Articles here about Windows don't say what the hell Windows is either. If you don't know what CyanogenMod is, then you're woefully ignorant for a Slashdotter. Maybe you could try Google.

Re:No point if there's no instructs on unlocking k by Nerdfest · 2013-11-09 04:24 · Score: 1

Step 3: Lobby your government to make phone locking illegal. It really should be, as it's blatantly anti-competitive.

Re:..without the user needing to root by drinkypoo · 2013-11-09 04:25 · Score: 1

Likewise. I just installed cm10.2 nightly on my Nexus 4 and Superuser is right where it's always been. Ti backup complains that it's a version which might not work, but then it works fine. In the bargain, clock speed settings actually work, like they didn't in 10.1.3 (minimum clock would always reset to 1 GHz, I want the lowest 300MHz setting)

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Re:I don't even know what you're talking about by drinkypoo · 2013-11-09 04:27 · Score: 2

Not only will the Oppo phone probably come with gapps, but ROM Manager will install gapps for you. So they're in a separate zip file, but the recommended install method is to use ROM Manager so effectively CM comes with "the whole Google crap" if you want it to and not if you don't, because you can uncheck the box for gapps on install.

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Re:No point if there's no instructs on unlocking k by drinkypoo · 2013-11-09 04:29 · Score: 1

You only need the phone to be unlocked enough to flash a recovery in order to load a custom ROM. Some ROMs are for unlocked phones only, some aren't. And some phones can be flashed through the stock recovery; some of them will load from a memory card.

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TFA doesn't mention shipping with Gapps by tepples · 2013-11-09 04:58 · Score: 1

Only if Oppo signs a contract with Google will the N1 CyanogenMod edition phablet include authentic Gapps. Neither featured article mentions anything about Gapps or Play or anything.

Re: I don't even know what you're talking about by Anonymous Coward · 2013-11-09 06:04 · Score: 1

I'm not going to waste my time doing "research" about every damn thing that isn't clearly explained in the summary. Maybe your time isn't that valuable, but mine is. I'm not going to follow blind links or waste my google foo on it, because frankly I don't give a shit about about most of the products slashvertised here. Like I tell my employees: give me the information I need in the first paragraph or I stop reading.

Re:I don't even know what you're talking about by the+eric+conspiracy · 2013-11-09 06:24 · Score: 2

Oppo also makes kick ass blue ray players.

http://www.oppodigital.com/?partner=101

Re: I don't even know what you're talking about by MrHanky · 2013-11-09 06:46 · Score: 2

In any modern browser: mark a word or phrase, right click it, choose 'search in Google|Bing' in the context menu. Even if you type 400 WPM, you just wasted several times as much time on your stupid comments than you would on doing 'research'. Not only are you a proud idiot, you're also a time waster.

Re:..without the user needing to root by Anonymous Coward · 2013-11-09 08:08 · Score: 2, Interesting

here you go:
https://plus.google.com/106978520009932034644/posts/L8FJkrcahPs

Re:..without the user needing to root by Anonymous Coward · 2013-11-09 08:19 · Score: 1

There _are_ some rather worrying reports floating around on Steve's agenda.

http://www.droid-life.com/2013/07/29/cyanogenmod-founder-contemplating-abolishing-root-requirements-for-custom-roms/
https://plus.google.com/106978520009932034644/posts/L8FJkrcahPs
http://www.landofdroid.com/2013/more-on-whats-going-on-at-cyanogenmod/

We'll see.

Re:..without the user needing to root by foobar+bazbot · 2013-11-09 09:55 · Score: 2

There _are_ some rather worrying reports floating around on Steve's agenda.

http://www.droid-life.com/2013/07/29/cyanogenmod-founder-contemplating-abolishing-root-requirements-for-custom-roms/
https://plus.google.com/106978520009932034644/posts/L8FJkrcahPs
http://www.landofdroid.com/2013/more-on-whats-going-on-at-cyanogenmod/

We'll see.

lrn2html, dumbass.

http://www.droid-life.com/2013/07/29/cyanogenmod-founder-contemplating-abolishing-root-requirements-for-custom-roms/
https://plus.google.com/106978520009932034644/posts/L8FJkrcahPs
http://www.landofdroid.com/2013/more-on-whats-going-on-at-cyanogenmod/

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SDXC requires exFAT; cellular broadband cap by tepples · 2013-11-09 10:38 · Score: 1

Aside from the fact that a software patent is different from a hardware patent, why not just offer an alternative?

Because stock Windows XP supports no alternative. Windows couldn't write to UDF until Windows Vista, and Windows XP still has five months of official support left. And for cards larger than 32 GB, I'm under the impression that the SD standard requires that devices support exFAT.

I believe it's because Google wants you to stream everything (from them).

At a limit of 5 GB per month on a typical cellular broadband plan, that can get very cost-prohibitive very quickly. The buses in my city do not provide Wi-Fi.

Android 4.x is an MTP responder by tepples · 2013-11-09 11:30 · Score: 1

Than how does your Android device show up as a USB mass storage device when connected to your Windows computer?

An Android 4.x device doesn't show up as mass storage. Instead, it shows up as an MTP responder, which speaks a file level protocol more analogous to SMB or FTP. (It's like the difference between a SAN and a NAS.) In theory, a device could format an SD card using Ext* or UDF and make it available through MTP. But in practice, if a device has a microSD slot, the user will expect to be able to eject the card and stick it in cameras that only speak FAT32 or exFAT or in Windows PCs that only speak FAT32, exFAT, NTFS, or read-only UDF. The situation should become easier after April 2014 once all supported Windows operating systems can write to UDF.

Re:I don't even know what you're talking about by Zero__Kelvin · 2013-11-09 11:35 · Score: 1

The article also mentions something called "HD" but nowhere in the article does it say what "HD" means! If you don't know what Cyanogenmod is and also don't know how to do this then you aren't their target audience.

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Re:I don't even know what you're talking about by ChunderDownunder · 2013-11-09 12:47 · Score: 1

Google make money off Google Play.

Amazon and BB10 having their own app stores would cut into revenue. It has very little to do with 'bastardized versions' and more about that checkbox that warns against installing software from non-official, i.e. non-Google, sources.

Oppo WHO? by cundare · 2013-11-10 08:06 · Score: 1

How unfortunate that this outfit has the same name as the Oppo that makes the BDP line of pioneering universal disc/media players. (That's the guys at oppodigital.com.) Lots of unnecessary confusion will ensue, fostered in part by the telecom Oppo's own inclusion of a BDP review in the Press tab at the site linked to here.

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