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Facebook Patented Making NSA Data Handoffs Easier

theodp writes "In June, Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg blasted 'outrageous press reports' about the PRISM surveillance program, denying that Facebook was ever 'part of any program to give the U.S. or any other government direct access to our servers.' What Zuckerberg didn't mention, and what the press overlooked, is that the USPTO granted Facebook a patent in May for its Automated Writ Response System. Like the NSA-enabling systems described by the NY Times on the same day Zuckerberg cried foul, the patent covers technical methods to more efficiently share the personal data of users with law enforcement agencies (LEAs) in response to lawful government requests via APIs and secured portals installed at company-controlled locations. 'While handing over data in response to a legitimate FISA request is a legal requirement,' the Times noted, 'making it easier for the government to get the information is not, which is why Twitter could decline to do so.'"

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  1. What an asshole by Enter+the+Shoggoth · · Score: 5, Insightful

    'nuf said

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    Andy Warhol got it wrong / Fifteen minutes is too long.
    1. Re:What an asshole by GameboyRMH · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Let's not forget, this is the same guy who signed up for Google+ the day it launched and then closed his account because he "didn't want Google tracking him" or something like that.

      He mocks the stupidity of the Average Joe right in front of their faces and they never catch on.

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      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
  2. At least now we know the real Mark Zuckerberg ... by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 2

    ... and I am glad I never waste any of my time in fb

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  3. Yest another reason by Cornwallis · · Score: 2

    to avoid F***book.

  4. Legitimate FISA request by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    legitimate FISA request

    By their very nature they fail to be legitimate in my eyes.

  5. Re:At least now we know the real Mark Zuckerberg . by Enter+the+Shoggoth · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ... and I am glad I never waste any of my time in fb

    Indeed - the ony thing more amazing than people putting personal shit up on a public website is people putting personal shit up on a public website that's owned and run by a known sociopath.

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    Andy Warhol got it right / Everybody gets the limelight
    Andy Warhol got it wrong / Fifteen minutes is too long.
  6. Re:At least now we know the real Mark Zuckerberg . by Mitreya · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... and I am glad I never waste any of my time in fb

    Don't worry -- at least half a dozen of your friends are working hard to make sure you are not forgotten (posting and tagging fotos, marking "I know this person from..." questions, etc.)

  7. Ok this just in by Nov8tr · · Score: 5, Informative

    If Mark Zuckerberg isn't Satan, he is at least a close relative.

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  8. Doesn't matter - FB has entered a death spiral by korbulon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As go the teenagers, so goes the industry.

    http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/nov/10/teenagers-messenger-apps-facebook-exodus

    With all this social networking shit, perception is key: once FB is no longer consider cool or the "in-thing", it's fucked. Like Myspace fucked.

    1. Re:Doesn't matter - FB has entered a death spiral by peragrin · · Score: 2

      the trick is only active accounts generate ad revenue. without people Facebook has nothing to sell(you) to its customers(ad companies)

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    2. Re:Doesn't matter - FB has entered a death spiral by mbkennel · · Score: 2


      | Besides rampant attention whores without real friends, people incapable of extracting their noses from the person in fronts arserhole, people who believe anyone who doesn't have a fffacebook page must worship at the evil Google Altar, and, "intelligence" agencies.

      Sounds like there will be customers for decades.

      Nobody ever lost a dollar by underestimating the taste of the American public. -- P.T. Barnum

  9. Automated means unsupervised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If it's automated, it means there's no way a person checked the warrant before giving access.

    So whether its legal or not is moot, since Facebook are *trusting* the LEA's claim that its legal, regardless of whether it actually is.

    I wonder if Microsoft provides a backdoor portal to Windows PCs? I bet they get far more demands, and they probably would automate it too. I know that telephone companies made telephone tapping automated. A law enforcement officer simply taps something on a screen and can tap any US phone from his desk anywhere in the country. That has the same problem, nobody checks that the court issued warrants limits are complied with, because nobody ever reads it.

  10. Re:At least now we know the real Mark Zuckerberg . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yeah. Before this, no one knew that Mark Zuckerberg was a liar and not to be trusted. I'm sure glad this happened so we could finally see him for what he really is.

  11. Misleading title by Zouden · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Cooperating with the NSA to give unrestricted access to private data (aka PRISM) is completely different to complying with subpoenas. Facebook got a patent on the latter, but not the former as the headline suggests.

    If you have a problem with FB giving over your data in response to legal requests then take it up with the agencies making the requests, because Facebook don't get a choice in the matter.

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    "A week in the lab saves an hour in the library"
    1. Re:Misleading title by Sockatume · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If Facebook is getting so many writs for personal data that it has to automate the process, and the senders are creating so many that they need access via an API so they can send them programatically, I don't think you're talking about subpoenas in any more than the strictest technical sense.

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    2. Re:Misleading title by Pieroxy · · Score: 2

      If the system is automated, how does the FB API knows there's a valid subpoena behind the request?

    3. Re:Misleading title by catfood · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's like those robo-signed foreclosures: the whole purpose of having a legal instrument is for some individual person to be responsible for saying essentially, "Yup, I checked this all out and it's legit." If you're processing these subpoenae automatically, and the input is overzealous or just wrong, then what?

  12. This is good news for other services by Chrisq · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yes, we'd love to be more cooperative, but I'm afraid that we don't have the patent rights ....

  13. Good thing it is patented by GuB-42 · · Score: 2

    Hey, Facebook, make sure that no one else can use these techniques. That's your duty as a patent holder.

  14. To me, yes, it was ,,, by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    At least now we know the real Mark Zuckerberg

    This is a surprise to you... ?!

    Yes, to me, it was

    I have heard of the name of Mark Zuckerberg, I know that kid got brains

    But I was not aware that he is such a pathetic liar

    Now, at least I, and many others, know

    And this also teaches me a lesson --- never assume anything --- I was assuming that a brainy fella like Mark Zuckerberg would appreciate the value of liberty

    How wrong I was !

    Last, but not least, I need to thank Edward Snowden for starting the ball rolling ... If not for Mr. Snowden, we wouldn't have known so much --- NSA / PRISM / and the latest episode ... Mark Zuckerberg

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    1. Re:To me, yes, it was ,,, by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 2

      Well, it took me a while to find any link at all, but you apparently missed the fact that Schmuckerberg claims that privacy is no longer a social norm. He testified before either Congress or the Senate, I can't remember which, to tell them exactly that. Did the guy sell out every American? Absolutely. But hey, he's rich, so that is what really matters. I really wish someone would post a shitload of private information about this idiot including a video of him masturbating, because by his own claim, he is fine with that.

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  15. I have prior art .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sorry Facebook, I have prior art on the "automated writ response system", which I wrote 30 years ago:

    10 PRINT "Fuck off"
    20 GOTO 10

  16. Re:At least now we know the real Mark Zuckerberg . by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    At least now we know the real Mark Zuckerberg ...

    We've known the real him for a while now:

    Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard

    Zuck: Just ask.

    Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS

    [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one?

    Zuck: People just submitted it.

    Zuck: I don't know why.

    Zuck: They "trust me"

    Zuck: Dumb fucks.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/well-these-new-zuckerberg-ims-wont-help-facebooks-privacy-problems-2010-5

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    When information is power, privacy is freedom.
  17. The more things change the more they stay the same by VortexCortex · · Score: 2

    Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard
    Zuck: Just ask.
    Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS

    [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one?
    Zuck: People just submitted it.
    Zuck: I don't know why.
    Zuck: They "trust me"
    Zuck: Dumb fucks.

    TFA is just evidence of SNAFU: Situation Normal, All Fucked Up.

  18. Re:At least now we know the real Mark Zuckerberg . by CRCulver · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... and I am glad I never waste any of my time in fb

    It doesn't matter. Whatever alternate channel you are using to communicate electronically with friends and family in lieu of Facebook (e-mail, telephone calls, XMPP...), the NSA is vacuuming up that information too. (Sure, for a handful of tech savvy friends you can convince them to use PGP, but that probably flags you as more suspicious, and only the message content is hidden, not who is writing to who.)

  19. Re:At least now we know the real Mark Zuckerberg . by somersault · · Score: 2

    Don't worry, you'll never make them realise that they're not the lead character in a conspiracy thriller. Sure there are "conspiracies" (though not exactly very surprising ones given the contents of the PATRIOT act), but most people are boring as hell. Even the ones that think they're interesting.

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  20. Re:At least now we know the real Mark Zuckerberg . by CRCulver · · Score: 5, Informative

    What I find amazing is that people who have such privacy problems with a voluntary service where you yourself fully control what information you choose to share,

    If only it were that simple. Even if you choose not to share any information, your friends can tag you in photos, letting Big Brother know you were in a certain place at a certain time with certain people. Even if you don't use your real name, Facebook has ways of figuring out who you are by picking up on a single slip-up and asking your friends "Is this user's real name X"? Facebook even creates "ghost profiles" for people who don't even sign up for an account, so without you ever giving consent, any interaction you have with those who do have account is logged. The site is a privacy nightmare.

  21. Facebook and the CIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's not very surprising, Facebook's strong ties to the CIA are well-known. In its early days companies very close to the CIA invested heavily into Facebook and some people likewise close to teh CIA are - or at least were, last time I looked - on Facebook's board of directors.

  22. Suprise, suprise. by Jaysyn · · Score: 2

    Zuckerberg is a lying piece of shit, news at 11.

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    There is a war going on for your mind.
  23. Re:At least now we know the real Mark Zuckerberg . by gbjbaanb · · Score: 2

    lucky there's ghostery available that stops such tracking.

  24. Re: At least now we know the real Mark Zuckerberg by CRCulver · · Score: 4, Informative

    Try reading my post again. Facebook gathers information about you based on what other people say, even if you choose not to share any information.

  25. Re:At least now we know the real Mark Zuckerberg . by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2

    The site is a privacy nightmare.

    It was a privacy nightmare in the early days. Now it's a privacy bad acid trip.

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    "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
  26. Re:At least now we know the real Mark Zuckerberg . by Connie_Lingus · · Score: 2

    i agree totally...and the irony is that the vast majority of users want MORE of this sort of thing on FB, not less!

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  27. Re:At least now we know the real Mark Zuckerberg . by erikkemperman · · Score: 2

    lucky there's ghostery available that stops such tracking.

    IIRC ghostery was acquired by a marketing firm, which should make you at least question the product.

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  28. Re:Solution by erikkemperman · · Score: 3, Funny

    Don't worry -- at least half a dozen of your friends are working hard to make sure you are not forgotten (posting and tagging fotos, marking "I know this person from..." questions, etc.)

    Solution : don't have friend ;).

    Faraway cage?

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  29. Re:At least now we know the real Mark Zuckerberg . by Spamalope · · Score: 2

    Facebook even creates "ghost profiles" for people who don't even sign up for an account, so without you ever giving consent, any interaction you have with those who do have account is logged. The site is a privacy nightmare.

    Facebook takes your name, address, phone number and email address from your friends phones using the FB app. Your co-workers too -- you did give HR your 'emergency contact number' right? You can bet those are programmed into a phone contact list so HR can send a group message.

    I'm sure you could be jobless and friendless living in a cave, but that's about the only way to avoid it now.

    I suggest poisoning the database. Add false contacts to your phone, use one to sign up for store discount cards and fake Gmail/FB accounts. Just one per person is enough to screw up everything they're doing.

  30. Re:At least now we know the real Mark Zuckerberg . by fatphil · · Score: 2

    Bingo. I never knew that, but teh googs confirms it quickly.

    From ghostery web page:
    "© 2013 Ghostery, a service of Evidon, Inc."

    From google, searching for "Evidon"
    """
    Evidon: Home | Online Marketing Intelligence, Web Analytics, Privacy
    www.evidon.com/ - Cached - Similar
    Evidon grows businesses by delivering new and accurate intelligence on how
    the digital marketplace really works.
    """

    I'm glad I never got round to trying it out, I was initially tempted.

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  31. Re:At least now we know the real Mark Zuckerberg . by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    most people are boring as hell. Even the ones that think they're interesting.

    However, the ones who are interesting tend to be pretty important to society. Guys like MLK, presidential candidates, potential supreme court nominees. Those sorts of people. When the government has access to their private communications it is just too easy to use that access to neuter any people who might challenge the current government.

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    When information is power, privacy is freedom.