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Nathan Myhrvold's $500 Cookbook Now an $80 iPhone App

Nathan Myhrvold's six-volume foodie encyclopedia, Modernist Cuisine, writes reader SmartAboutThings, is one of the most expensive cooking encyclopedias, the original six-volume version retailing for $500, with the two-volume addition that followed after that selling for $115. "Now, Nathan and his team have transformed their huge food encyclopedia into an iPhone/iPad app. It's not just a digital book, but rather an expensive $80 interactive app that can do more than just provide recipes. The interactive digital cookbook is the fruit of a development team of 10-15 people that have worked over nine months on the project. The app contains 37 technique videos, 416 recipes and 1,683 photos."

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  1. Another slashvertizement! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Now I look forward to the .IPA!

    1. Re:Another slashvertizement! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Another slashvertizement all right.

      And so continues the once noble /.'s slip into undignified obscurity, one tepid and irrelevant sponsored submission at a time.

    2. Re:Another slashvertizement! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Slashdot always has had articles discussing commercial products. And until universal replicators exist with free feed stocks, there is going to be a non-empty intersection between things tech geeks are interested and things that are sold commercially.

  2. alternatively by ihtoit · · Score: 5, Informative

    you could just mirror recipesource.com and dump it on an old notebook. Made the missus well happy, that did.

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    1. Re:alternatively by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 5, Informative

      Ever since coming down with stage 4 kidney failure, I've had to do a lot of cooking of my own food, and that was starting from basically knowing nothing. I've learned the vast majority of my technique from youtube, which offers not just one person's technique but many. I'd be quite surprised if this cookbook or even the app had any information that couldn't be found on youtube.

      For example, there are tons of videos that show you how to properly choose a chef's knife (word to the wise, most people have very dull knives in their kitchen - very dangerous and makes food preparation so much slower, but they don't know the difference as they've never actually had a good sharp knife) and how to properly cut different types of foods. It may sound elementary, but try going on youtube and looking up how to dice an onion, you may find a technique that is much better than what you've been doing which will save you time.

      (By the way, Victorinox 40520 is easily the best starter knife you can get, has a lifetime warranty, and even well seasoned chefs tend to love it and it is cheap if you buy it as part of a kit.)

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    2. Re:alternatively by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      Also learn to hold the knife at the right angle and move it properly.

      It's one of those things that people think they don't need to learn. It's just a knife, right? How hard can it be?

      Learn how to sharpen one, too. No knife edge lasts forever. That metal stick you see people rubbing knives on? That's a stropper, not a sharpener. Stropping a knife does nothing once the edge is gone. It has to be re-sharpened first.

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    3. Re:alternatively by milkmage · · Score: 2

      "invest in a sharpening stone" and run the risk of ruining your knives.

      I take mine to the butcher shop about 2x a year. they sharpen for free ;)

    4. Re:alternatively by master_kaos · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The thing about this book, is it isn't so much about the recipes but the SCIENCE and techniques of food. This set of books is meant for an upcoming professional chef. I bet 3/4 the recipes use either equipment or techniques that no home cook would have/know about
      Sure you get a basic recipe from allrecipes.com (most of them just mediocre, I bet there are only a few gems that would be just as good/better than a 5 star restuarant). It is one thing reading a recipe and following, but do you know WHY they use the method they choose, why one food reacts with a different one the way it does.
      Proper technique also makes a huge difference. I could put a handful ingredients along with a recipe on your counter, and exact same ingredients with exact same recipe on a professional chefs, and I pretty much guarantee you the professional chefs will taste better.

      Also, how many typical home cooks are using sous vide technique to cook their meat, using liquid nitrogen for desserts, using a centrifuge to make beef stock. This set of books also use a ton of ingredients that you would not find at your local grocery store, or even a local specialty store, I bet quite a few need to be special ordered.

      I am not saying you need to be a professional chef to make good food, of course not, nor do you need to know all of the techniques, or have all the crazy equipment. I was just stating this volume of books is not just your typical $10 recipe book that you find on amazon.

    5. Re:alternatively by muridae · · Score: 2

      With the number of counter-top vacuum preserver devices, doing sous vide in home is not that hard. It's not as perfect as a full industrial vacu-sealer, but it works. Additionally, LN isn't too hard to get in small amounts as an engineer; and for in-house use you could use dry ice or LCO2 from a fire extinguisher.

      But I'm one of those home cooks who likes trying crazy chemistry shit, and has the gear and respect for the chemicals to do it safely. Might have gone to the cooking industry if I had gotten into cooking sooner. So the big set of books is still something I want, but couldn't justify the $500 for. Bet they'd look pretty in PDF format, even if the pictures were lower resolution.

    6. Re:alternatively by sammy+baby · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There is actually a separate edition of the book called Modernist Cuisine at Home which is specifically tailored to home chefs who want to try out the techniques, for substantially less money than the full version. Actually, the ebook which is the topic of the article is based on the "at Home" edition, which means the price differential between the ebook and dead tree version is only about thirty bucks, not several hundred.

    7. Re: alternatively by Rational · · Score: 4, Funny

      Every Slashdot thread of sufficient length degenerates into a pissing contest.

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    8. Re:alternatively by flyneye · · Score: 2

      Easy there, know who you are dealing with; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Myhrvold
      This Microshit Patent Troll is just waiting for you to possess or post a recipe that looks like his.
      This is how he makes money. Just watch what you cook and tell no one.

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    9. Re:alternatively by umafuckit · · Score: 2

      For example, there are tons of videos that show you how to properly choose a chef's knife (word to the wise, most people have very dull knives in their kitchen - very dangerous

      People say duller knives are dangerous, but my experience suggests the opposite. When my knife set was new, I cut myself badly with them on two or three occasions. Nearly took the end of a finger off once. Now that the knives are a little duller they're safer. I maintain the edges a little but I don't bother getting them back to where they were before. It's true they cut faster, but they also cut me faster. Probably I'm just clumsy, but then the lesson is that sharp knives are more dangerous for the clumsy.

  3. Its free over by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny
    1. Re:Its free over by dmbasso · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Interesting, I think it is the first time I see a link to copyright infringing material here. Will it be deleted?

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      Were you here for the scientology clambake/xenu thing like 13 years ago? Scientology sued Slashdot to get an embarrassing copyrighted comment deleted and Slashdot was coerced into compliance. The subsequent Slashdot story about the comment being deleted was in the old Slashdot faq (or maybe hall-of-fame or something) that used to be in the left navbar but now seems to be missing.

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    3. Re:Its free over by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 2, Insightful

      See, this is a link TO a link, that links to copyright infringing material. Even the lawyers have to be careful how many steps removed they go after, else they will be going after the entire internet

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    4. Re:Its free over by jones_supa · · Score: 2

      Interesting, I think it is the first time I see a link to copyright infringing material here. Will it be deleted?

      You must be new here. Slashdot is heavily pro-piracy.

  4. So innovative by hugg · · Score: 5, Funny

    I wonder how the culinary specialists that first developed the techniques in his book are getting compensated for their innovations.

    1. Re:So innovative by TheloniousToady · · Score: 2

      Careful...with talk like that, you could prompt Myhrvold to become a copyright troll.

    2. Re:So innovative by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 4, Informative

      Update: here's a picture of Myhrvold's "ultimate modernist burger".

      In addition to the loads of suet, it also uses fish sauce.

      I can just about guarantee that if you knew how genuine fish sauce was made, you wouldn't put it in your mouth.

      If that's "modernist" cuisine, I probably don't want any.

    3. Re:So innovative by sconeu · · Score: 2

      Whoosh.

      Myrvhold and "Intellectual Ventures" are some of the biggest patent trolls on the planet. Hence the joke.

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    4. Re:So innovative by St.Creed · · Score: 3, Informative

      It is made by fermenting small whole fish in brine and drawing off the liquid, which is then bottled. I've got no problem with that.

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    5. Re:So innovative by FunkDup · · Score: 2

      I can just about guarantee that if you knew how genuine fish sauce was made, you wouldn't put it in your mouth.

      I counter-guarantee that if you knew how awesome and useful it is, you wouldn't care how it is made. It should be called "magic sauce"

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    6. Re:So innovative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm not sure where you learned science, but fermentation *IS* decomposition.

      Fermentation is part of decomposition, but you referred to it previously as rotting. Rotting involves all three decomposition processes, not just the break down of carbohydrates (fermentation), but of the proteins (putrefaction) and fats (rancidification). In salty environments, like that used in making fish sauce, you can stop the breakdown of proteins and fats, and are left with just fermentation.

      By the way: there are several kinds of "fermentation", and the kinds that happen with bread and beer do not even remotely apply in this case.

      What happens in bread and beer are very similar to what happens in fish sauce. There are different possible outcomes of fermentation, which can be alcohols or lactic acid related things for example. The latter is still used plenty in foods most people have no problem with eating, everything from pickles to cured meats. There are plenty of highly valued meats and cheeses aged for years, just similar treatment to seafood in the west is a little less common. But for the same reason your metabolism and bread rising is not rotting, fermentation of things like meats and fish are also not rotting. If you had actual rotting, the smell and taste would be quite different for fish sauce, and it would be unusable.

  5. More hype? by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 5, Insightful
    From TFA:

    Among the top features that the Modernist Cuisine app comes with are the high-resolutions pictures and the ability to search within the app's own information which will also fetch extra data from Wikipedia and other web services.

    Wow, an app that can search its own information! And use that cool web resources like Wikipedia!

    As someone who admired the photography from the original book, though, the high-res photography is awesome.

    Unfortunately, that's about all the book was good for, at least unless you're some professional chef with a large budget and a bunch of fancy equipment. I find it hilarious that TFA makes it sound like a regular cooking and recipe app:

    the recipe cards dynamically adjust the measure of ingredients you'll need to yield a given number of servings, then add these items to a shopping list.

    Have people even looked at the book? The exotic ingredients used in many recipes aren't exactly the sort of things you can find at your typical supermarket. Even if you have the centrifuge and other fancy equipment needed to prepare some things, you're going to have to special order a lot of ingredients... not just pack your iPhone in your purse and head off to the grocery store.

    The hype for this book was huge, with people claiming that it revolutionize the way we would cook and introduce a whole new "scientific" approach to cooking. That was complete nonsense -- it's more about fancy technology and fancy ingredients, with lots of fun pictures. If you like $600 coffee-table books, by all means, get a copy... or maybe get the photos for a steal in an $80 iPad app.

    I know I'm a dissenting voice on this book, but all the blather about using "science" in cooking really bothered me. I'm actually the scientific type of cook -- I have many digital thermometers, scales, a pH meter, and many other precision devices, along with a "lab notebook" (journal) of my kitchen "experiments."

    But this book is more about presenting pretentious culinary "culture" that uses lots of technology as if it were "science." That's not science. It's just somebody's wacky cooking vision. I'm not saying the food is bad, but claiming that their approach is "better" is rarely backed up by any data... therefore, it's hardly "scientific."

    Anyhow, I could go on about this for some time, and already have here. But from my experience with this book, I'm a little hesitant about recommending the $80 app, unless you just like paying that much for a lot of pretty pictures.

    1. Re:More hype? by pspahn · · Score: 2

      Indeed. You can pick up a copy of Cook's Illustrated "Best Recipes" and "More Best Recipes" for about $10 at a book store. While yes, they might give you a comparison of which $200 pan is the best, their process is fascinating.

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    2. Re:More hype? by rasmusbr · · Score: 2

      But this book is more about presenting pretentious culinary "culture" that uses lots of technology as if it were "science." That's not science. It's just somebody's wacky cooking vision. I'm not saying the food is bad, but claiming that their approach is "better" is rarely backed up by any data... therefore, it's hardly "scientific."

      Then it truly is modernist cuisine. At least the book is aptly named.

  6. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Much like books on technical/theoretical software topics, even though the information is out there and relatively accessible sometimes it's nice to have it all together in a consistent and well thought out collection. Yes there's a tonne of easily available perl resources on the net, but the camel book guides you from start to finish at a consistent pace, using consistent terminology, etc..

    I have the two volume set, and it's nice (posting AC, so by all means assume I'm a paid shill).

    I do agree that this isn't really newsworthy from a technical perspective and probably doesn't belong here.

  7. Wrong book, SmartAboutThings. by qXUSrfebDy · · Score: 5, Informative

    Looking at the app, this isn't the voluminous $500 set that's been digitized. It's the ~$110 watered down version for home chefs. The home version is a bit more than just a "two-volume addition" tacked onto the original. It's a compendium of simpler recipes taken from the original volumes with preparations that gel well with what regular chefs can get their hands on.

    It's still a fantastic book for wannabe kitchen scientists but it seems the author got a little too excited in writing his sensational headline.

  8. Misleading summary, as usual. by westlake · · Score: 5, Informative
    The app is based on "Modernist Cuisine at Home" not the $500 50 pound reference set for the professional chef.

    This is a "modern" (or Modernist) cookbook, so the recipes inside are going to be closer to what you'd find in a restaurant that uses an obscure adjective for it's title rather than what you'd see in your grandmother's kitchen. If the idea of cooking a beautiful cut of salmon in a Ziploc bag seems blasphemous, or using a digital scale instead of an elephant-shaped measuring cup is akin to high treason, you may not be ready to make the jump.

    Modernist Cuisine at Home introduces a consolidated set of kitchen tools and gadgets that the home chef can reasonably afford. Don't have the funds for the laboratory-grade centrifuge featured in "Modernist Cuisine?" No problem. Not only does MCAH omit the prohibitively expensive tools from its recipes, but many of them are the same recipes found in the original, redone for the home cook. MCAH even goes as far as offering several options at varying price ranges for the equipment used within.

    The same goes for the ingredients. MCAH mostly does away with the laundry list of exotic spices and chemicals featured in many "modernist" cookbooks and instead relies on ingredients you can find either at the local grocery store, or in reasonable quantities online. For the ingredients you are probably less familiar with (malic acid? agar agar?) there is a two-page spread detailing what each does, where it comes from, and what it costs. In many cases, the recipes will list alternatives if you choose not to add their recommendations to your shopping list.

    [purchaser review]

  9. Save your money by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just use lots of butter.

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    1. Re:Save your money by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Funny

      You joke, but I remember seeing a cookbook that was "200 Delicious Recipes With Only Three Ingredients" and with ever single one of the recipes, one of the ingredients was butter.

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  10. $500 to $80 by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 2

    They're gonna sell 6.25 times more anyway, thanks to iPhones and the like.

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  11. Re:I'd spent my money somewhere tastier by ledow · · Score: 3, Interesting

    1) You wouldn't, obviously.
    2) People cook for lots of reasons, not all of them are based on your argument.
    3) Home cooking can be cheaper than anything you buy pre-cooked elsewhere - or else restaurants wouldn't be able to make a profit selling it.
    4) Not everyone is a dolt in the kitchen. Home cooking is rarely a "dozen attempts" kind of thing if you have anywhere near half a brain and have done it a few times before. Those that are dolts need recipes to follow to become "non-dolts".
    5) Home cooking can be prepared when you like, how you like, without having to try a dozen restaurants that are open when you want and where the cook is one that you happen to like (how many attempts would that take you, trying all your local restaurants?) - there isn't a "professional chef" in the world that will cook to you exact preferences, or else there's no point being a chef. You get what you're given, and the modifications you can make apply to the removal of certain ingredients and choosing how well done you want it.
    6) Cooking, in itself, is a hobby.

    More to the point, the argument I would propose, is why do you need to pay someone to tell you approximate proportions of ingredients when the web is full of millions of free recipes (many of them reviewed, and even ripped directly from recipe books without attribution) and you can't really "copyright" a recipe - you can copyright the exact text, the arrangement of them within a book, the photos of the dishes, etc. but there's not much to stop people sharing recipes and their own variations of your recipes.

    My girlfriend's "recipe shelf" is full of more scrap cut out from newspapers, handwritten notebooks of recipes from friends/family, and photocopies of single recipes that she happened to like than anything else.

  12. Re:I'd spent my money somewhere tastier by BlackHawk-666 · · Score: 2

    The vast number of those free recipes are pretty terrible. My personal favourites are ones which claim to teach you to make a recipe and then the main ingredient is a pre-made sauce from the supermarket. Even the ones that are basically right need usually need a fair amount of adjustment because the poster doesn't know how to use herbs and spices or how to blend flavours.

    They are however pretty good if you are just looking for the basic way to make simple dishes and don't mind a bit of experimenting. I usually find 3-4 of the same recipe and try and work out a method based on all of them since most omit something important.

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