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Happy 50th Doctor Who

beaverdownunder writes "To commemorate 50 years of the Tardis, today the BBC is airing a 75 minute special finally revealing the secrets of the Time War. What did you think of the special? And what's your fondest memory of Who? And what about that Capaldi guy?" Okian Warrior pointed out today's Google doodle too.

211 comments

  1. What do you mean, "did you think"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's only just started this minute.

    1. Re:What do you mean, "did you think"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since when do you need to know what you are talking about to comment on Slashdot?

    2. Re:What do you mean, "did you think"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I see you're not a Timelord.

    3. Re:What do you mean, "did you think"? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      You've just revealed who the tard is.

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    4. Re:What do you mean, "did you think"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who knows.

    5. Re:What do you mean, "did you think"? by JustOK · · Score: 1

      Yes, but the tadpole with the wheatabix was something not many people noticed

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    6. Re:What do you mean, "did you think"? by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      It's only just started this minute.

      Time travelers commenting on stories always have spoilers.

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    7. Re:What do you mean, "did you think"? by JustOK · · Score: 1

      and sometimes racing stripes

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    8. Re:What do you mean, "did you think"? by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      What about nitrous?

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    9. Re:What do you mean, "did you think"? by MouseTheLuckyDog · · Score: 1

      How can you miss Jonathan Creek?

    10. Re:What do you mean, "did you think"? by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      I tried to find a relevant image and found this instead.

      Also amusing as I used to work with a Doctor Hu at a previous job. That joke never ever got old.

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  2. 2nd Dr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Troughton FTW.
    Pity so much of his stuff has been lost as he was such a great character; the development past grumpy educational granddad to the different forms we know today.

    1. Re:2nd Dr by Insomnium · · Score: 1

      Troughton FTW. Pity so much of his stuff has been lost as he was such a great character; the development past grumpy educational granddad to the different forms we know today.

      most of the lost material was found a few months back.

    2. Re:2nd Dr by mikael · · Score: 2

      They announced that there are 7 new episodes that have been recovered. Some guy had recorded the shows broadcast live using a cine-camera but he lost the sound. Fortunately, the BBC had keep the sound reels, but had lost the video. They were able to combine both together.

      I just hope they would be able to do something crazy like find out that the magnetic heads of the recording machines were strong enough to leave some kind of signal on the audio tapes.

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    3. Re:2nd Dr by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually that rumor was proved to be false and they only recovered IIRC 9 episodes which leaves around 100 still lost.

      While it would have been nice if the rumor had been true it looks like a good chunk of the episodes missing were never sold overseas (for example the creator of the Daleks was trying to get a Dalek show made in the USA so they never sold any of the Dalek episodes) which makes their recovery very VERY unlikely as its overseas where all missing episodes so far have been found.

      As for fav Doctor? Frankly all of them but Colin Baker had their moments (his hammy acting style combined with that outfit just made him a turn off for me) but for me it would be a toss up between Troughton's chessmaster and Tom Baker's eccentric for the classic series and while I would have liked to have seen Eccleston stay on a little longer Tennant was damned good in the role, even episodes like "blink" where he is barely in it his performance sticks with you.

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  3. Thought this site was supposed to be news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    for nerds! I don't know any that like that garbage. We're all sci-fi fans so we instead like shows like Star Trek or Stargate. What's next? Gossip about Dexter?

    1. Re:Thought this site was supposed to be news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Gossip about Dexter?

      The serial killer or the one with a laboratory?

    2. Re:Thought this site was supposed to be news... by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      The serial killer had a laboratory, too. ;-)

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    3. Re:Thought this site was supposed to be news... by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      The live action serial killer, or the animated serial killer?

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    4. Re:Thought this site was supposed to be news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The one with the hot sister, presumably (and remember, pedophelia is frowned upon)

    5. Re:Thought this site was supposed to be news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dee Dee?

    6. Re:Thought this site was supposed to be news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neither one considering this site is supposed to be about "News for Nerds."

    7. Re:Thought this site was supposed to be news... by gwjgwj · · Score: 1

      Ophelia, get thee to a nunnery.

  4. Who's popular where? by TheloniousToady · · Score: 1

    Although the Tardis has its many fans worldwide, it's most popular in the UK. Which proves once again that it's bigger on the inside than it is on the outside.

    (Disclaimer: I don't know if that's really true, but it was necessary to construct the above "joke".)

    1. Re:Who's popular where? by JustOK · · Score: 2

      Hmmm. Looks like you edited the joke right out of your comment.

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    2. Re:Who's popular where? by TheloniousToady · · Score: 1

      You're right, sorry. I'd promise that it won't happen again, except it probably will.

  5. Traditions... by Dartz-IRL · · Score: 5, Funny

    The couch has been moved a metre forward from the wall, and I have adopted the traditional viewing position.

    And here come the Daleks.

    EXTERMINATE!

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    1. Re:Traditions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      spoilers...

    2. Re:Traditions... by coastwalker · · Score: 1

      Dont be silly, most of us have already watched it, twice. Anyway you can be sure that first post will keep changing.

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    3. Re:Traditions... by Dartz-IRL · · Score: 2

      I think the presence of the Daleks is a given on an event of this magnitude.

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  6. conspiracy! by Dthief · · Score: 3, Funny

    It all makes sense now....Dr. Who was on the grassy knoll the whole time

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    1. Re:conspiracy! by murdocj · · Score: 2

      no... but he will be.

    2. Re: conspiracy! by jd2112 · · Score: 2

      Wrong British sci fi series. It was Lister, Rimmer and Kriten

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    3. Re: conspiracy! by murdocj · · Score: 1

      Well... the doctor has lots of time. so to speak.

    4. Re:conspiracy! by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      See if you can find the book "Who Killed Kennedy" for the truth. About a lot of things.

      You'll note there's no question mark in the title...

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    5. Re:conspiracy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i think you meant to say "he will have been"

    6. Re:conspiracy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After all, it was you and me.
      Pleased to meet you...

    7. Re:conspiracy! by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      no... but he will be.

      Will have been.

    8. Re:conspiracy! by murdocj · · Score: 1

      We need more tenses

    9. Re:conspiracy! by RaceProUK · · Score: 1

      It has will have going to have happened happened, but hasn't actually happened happened yet, hactually

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    10. Re:conspiracy! by murdocj · · Score: 1

      How about the "future perfected" tense? Also the "past perfected"?

    11. Re: conspiracy! by IwantToKeepAnon · · Score: 1

      I need mod points! To answer Lister's question, in 2013 there are some passable curry houses but I greatly doubt the 60's had any. :)

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  7. I am the only one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I never could stand Doctor Who, new or old. I've tried several time, but it's just too hokey..

    1. Re:I am the only one? by JustOK · · Score: 2

      And that's what it's all about then, isn't it? The hokey. Or close to it. It's all abit hokey wokey ...ish

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    2. Re:I am the only one? by JonStewartMill · · Score: 1

      You're not the only one. Hokey, goofy, campy, silly ... wait a minute, were we talking about Dr. Who, or Star Trek: TOS?

  8. Where can I stream or buy this online? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I assume this will show up on iTunes some time later this week (last season, they had every episode the day after)? Anywhere else?

    Why are Internet audiences still apparently treated as second-class?

    1. Re:Where can I stream or buy this online? by rduke15 · · Score: 1

      Yes, where is the link? I'm not in the UK, so I can't see it. Where is the torrent???

    2. Re:Where can I stream or buy this online? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Fuck torrents, I don't mind paying money for TV. I won't pay $80 a month for a bunch of garbage I don't want to watch, but I do buy shows I want to watch online. I can never get shows on the same day the TV audiences get them though. And the selection is more limited. And some shows don't even come out the same day every week (occasionally they're delayed a whole week!), so TV night is sometimes a bust. Sometimes I feel silly paying for this type of treatment instead of just using torrents like a 'normal' person.

    3. Re: Where can I stream or buy this online? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is now a good time to remind everybody here I pay 130 quid a year and get what I am fucking given?

    4. Re:Where can I stream or buy this online? by Holi · · Score: 1

      It is/was/will be simulcast in several countries. It is not just a UK release.

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    5. Re:Where can I stream or buy this online? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  9. Took me 21:45 to beat the Google game by HatofPig · · Score: 5, Funny

    That was pretty fun! I wasted 10 regenerations trying to get past the Crying Angel in the graveyard.

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  10. Science Magic != Science Fiction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I haven't seen much of the old series, but I've been watching the revival up through about 2009. I've lost almost all interest though. Nearly every show has multiple deus ex machina, or should I say science ex machina. He lives in a world of the most crazy hocus-pocus magic I've ever seen, but it's supposed to be alright since a quick spouting of psuedoscientific technobabble can explain away any and all supernatural phenomena. It's all the excitement of a really weird supernatural universe, yet within the comfortable box of scientific naturalism.

    1. Re:Science Magic != Science Fiction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The things you accuse the show of are all true, but I have no idea why you think that means it isn't science fiction, or how it's different from almost any other widely-popular scifi show (or even why that necessarily means it's not good).

    2. Re:Science Magic != Science Fiction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's pretty campy. It is science fiction, just not good science fiction.

    3. Re:Science Magic != Science Fiction by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      I don't consider it campy. But of course, my thinking of 'campy' is that everyone says the 1960s Batman tv show was campy. So 'campy' means not just slightly goofy and fun, but it has to be stupidly idiotic in a non-serious way. Doctor Who might be non-serious sci-fi, and it certainly has goofy elements in it, but it's not stupidly idiotic. Most of its drawbacks, for lack of a better term, stem from it being a show made by and for British public tv. It didn't have the budget of top-ranked American shows, so it looks more like a B-movie than our shows. But that doesn't make it campy.

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    4. Re:Science Magic != Science Fiction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's fiction couched in science and technology. This frees the writers from the constraints of "normal" life, free to explore what it is to be human by taking the human experience beyond anything we could imagine ourselves. In this way, we can understand ourselves a little better. What would we do if faced with outlandish moral problem X?, who would we save in quandary Y?, what path would we choose in mystery Z? and so on.

      At it's heart, it's fiction, not an educational science show.

      Summary: he's in a police box travelling through space and time, and you're complaining about scientific inaccuracy now?

    5. Re: Science Magic != Science Fiction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It actually has a reasonable budget. In homage to its origins and its fans' expectations it walks the line between goofy sets and polished proper sets. UK fans often damn shows that dramatically change when they get momey so it hasn't much choice really.

    6. Re: Science Magic != Science Fiction by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I meant it had a lower budget back when it was almost unknown in the US. I watched it in the mid 80s, when the local PBS station showed the Tom Baker episodes. The special effects were definitely low budget.

      I'm sure that it now has a larger following, and the merchandising is in full production, that the budget has grown quite a bit.

      For what it's worth, I saw the 50th anniversary show today, and really liked it. I've only seen bit and pieces in the last couple years, and didn't have much interest in it. (The actors are too wimpy looking for my taste.) But this was a great way to reconnect with the story.

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    7. Re:Science Magic != Science Fiction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Strictly speaking, science fiction should have a fairly decent basis in "science". Star Trek, Doctor Who, Stargate, all tended to fail at this. Babylon 5 stretched the science about as far as it will go without breaking (usually-- I'm looking at you, Neil Gaiman). Space Above and Beyond, and Battlestar Galactica came closer to "hard" science fiction than most shows (although the human cylons were... iffy).

      Star Trek and Doctor Who both fail because they consistently make up their science, on a weekly basis (less so the original series), and the less said about the complete disregard for physics displayed in Star Trek: Enterprise episode "Breaking the Ice", the better.

      Doesn't mean you can't (or shouldn't) enjoy such shows, but they're more sci-fantasy than sci-fiction.

      And yes, the Russell T. Davies era was REALLY heavy on Deus ex Machina solutions. Moffat has his moments, but at least his D.e.M.'s are driven by human factors, rather than a Big Red Button.

    8. Re:Science Magic != Science Fiction by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      Moffat has his moments, but at least his D.e.M.'s are driven by human factors, rather than a Big Red Button.

      Actually wasn't it one of the Moffat episodes that actually had a "big red button" that fixed everything?

    9. Re: Science Magic != Science Fiction by dbIII · · Score: 1

      The actors are too wimpy looking for my taste

      The new doctor should be the opposite of that if the actor plays it anything like Malcolm Tucker (The Thick of It), the leading civil servant in "Torchwood: Children of Earth" or the father in the Pompei Dr Who episode.

    10. Re:Science Magic != Science Fiction by Grumbleduke · · Score: 1

      His episodes tend to have "big red buttons" which fix things, but they tend to be worked into the story right from the beginning and make sense, rather than being a magic fix-everything solution from the last five minutes.

      His buttons are the kind of buttons where, after they're pressed, you realise that they were there all along, and obvious if you'd thought about it in the right way. Although that isn't always the case.

      This latest episode sort of broke that, though; it had a Big Red Button to fix stuff, but the ended up not pressing it and coming up with a random fanservicey way of solving everything in the last couple of minutes (in an even better way). But that was kind of worth it for the fanservice.

  11. Tom Baker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Enough said.

    1. Re:Tom Baker by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 2

      SPOILERS...

      Pretty ironic, him showing up for the 50th anniversary episode and related "about" shows, after he was such a prick about NOT doing the 25th. At least we know Eccleston wasn't asked.

    2. Re:Tom Baker by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1

      He will always be remembered as the legless pirate on Blackadder. Oooh, what a big ship I've got.

    3. Re:Tom Baker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He will always be remembered as the legless pirate on Blackadder. Oooh, what a big ship I've got.

      Perhaps less well known, Peter Davison was the "Dish of the Day" in one episode of the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy series.

    4. Re:Tom Baker by daveime · · Score: 3, Informative

      Eccleston *was* asked, the prick just decided to do a Tom Baker 25 years on ... maybe we'll see him in the 75th ...

  12. Google doodle? by rduke15 · · Score: 1

    What Google doodle? Was it yesterday?

    1. Re:Google doodle? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No not yesterday, I played it tomorrow.

    2. Re:Google doodle? by Blue+Stone · · Score: 2
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  13. trolls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To all the crybabies:
    Complaining about Doctor Who for not being scientifically accurate is as stupid as complaining about The Lord of The Rings for not being historically accurate. Now, go f**k yourself.

    1. Re:trolls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are no comments on this at all, go home White Knight, you are drunk.

    2. Re:trolls by thunderclap · · Score: 1

      What?! They're aren't Hobbits 6000 yrs ago during the war of the ring? Then how do you explain news.discovery.com/human/evolution/new-fossils-hobbit-face-13010.htm ?

  14. Favorite moments by murdocj · · Score: 4, Informative

    My favorite doctor is Tom Baker... all the energy, the scarf, the huge grin, the way he could challenge just about any evil, despite the odds.

    I loved how the Doctor got pulled into locating the keys to time:

    White Guardian asks the Doctor to locate the keys.
    Doctor: What happens if I say no?
    White Guardian: Nothing
    Doctor: Nothing?
    White Guardian: Nothing
    Doctor: Nothing???
    White Guardian: Nothing... ever

    I must admit, though, one of the best moments is when BBC revived Dr. Who and had an episode (maybe the first episode) where the Doctor takes Rose billions of years into the future, with the sun about to engulf the earth. To the Doctor, it's just all part of the normal cycle of things... just on a larger scale. But Rose is overcome watching the extinction of her planet. It makes you realize that the Doctor is NOT just a guy with a time machine... he's an alien, with a completely alien view of the universe.

    1. Re:Favorite moments by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      The new series had a similar line, but it might be just coincidence.

      Doctor: "Nothing happens. And it keeps on happening."

      Something like that, anyway. The consequence of trying to change a fixed moment in time.

    2. Re:Favorite moments by dbug78 · · Score: 1

      I must admit, though, one of the best moments is when BBC revived Dr. Who and had an episode (maybe the first episode) where the Doctor takes Rose billions of years into the future, with the sun about to engulf the earth.

      You're describing the opening scene of s01e02, The End of the World.

    3. Re:Favorite moments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tom Baker is pretty well the quintessential Doctor Who. Most of the defining characteristics associated with the Doctor now are essentially drawing from his interpretation. The Doctor was more professorial, stern, and serious in the earlier incarnations, while Baker managed to inject a healthy dose of mania, scenery chewing, and at times even utterly breaking the 4th wall by addressing the audience directly.

      Favorite Tom Baker moment is when he's fiddling with something in order to save the day as the other characters stand around, watching expectantly. Suddenly he stops, looks dejected and starts to walk away. They ask him what's wrong, and he turns, smiles brightly and states, "We've won again."

    4. Re:Favorite moments by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Interestingly Baker's Doctor could have averted the while Time War and having to murder his entire race. He travelled back to when the Daleks were first created and has the opportunity to put a stop to them then and there, but decided not to on the grounds that he would be wiping out an entire race.

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  15. What number system by rossdee · · Score: 2

    What number system do Time Lords use?

    If its Hexadecimal then 12 regenerations iis not a problem for a while at least.

    1. Re:What number system by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      I think the TARDIS translation system handles that in the same way it handles language, given that it's never come up before.

    2. Re:What number system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Base 60

    3. Re:What number system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Melody Pond gave him all of her extra regenerations anyway, so its already solved that there'll be more regenerations after Peter Capaldi.

      Although Moffat's complaining about "where did the fans get this number of regenerations?" nonsense... duh, you emphasized it again by having the time lords saying "All 13 of him!"

    4. Re:What number system by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      And does this mean that all the doctors who came after the War Doctor now get bumped up one digit, since the War Doctor would appear to be the official 9th Doctor now?

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    5. Re:What number system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The War Doctor is no more the 9th Doctor due to changing his behaviour at the end of his regeneration than the 8th Doctor loses the title due to deciding to become the War Doctor.

    6. Re: What number system by oboeaaron · · Score: 1

      Better yet, if they use sexagesimal we are all set for at least several more centuries.

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    7. Re:What number system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The War Doctor isn't a true regeneration, according to the short (with Paul McGann. Jeez, is everyone getting older?) but created by a potion from the sisterhood. So, Doctor 8.5?

  16. It's here by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 1

    It should be on Google's home page, starting Saturday.

    Perhaps it's not Saturday yet where you are? Or maybe it's locked by country-code or something?

    1. Re:It's here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's on google.co.uk.

    2. Re:It's here by rduke15 · · Score: 1

      Yes, it's only on google.co.uk for me. It's actually not only a logo, but a silly little game. Funny.

    3. Re:It's here by BarryHaworth · · Score: 2

      It should be on Google's home page, starting Saturday.

      Perhaps it's not Saturday yet where you are? Or maybe it's locked by country-code or something?

      Here in Australia we got it on Friday. And we got the special on local TV at the same time as the UK.

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  17. Too retro by Animats · · Score: 0

    Dr. Who, Star [Wars|Gate|Dreck]. Too retro. I'm old enough to remember when they all started. They had their day. They need to disappear into history.

    Even Ender's Game is retro. I read the original short story when it came out in 1977. It was a good short story. Then it was turned into a long, dreary series. Then a movie. Now Lionsgate is planning a second movie or TV series. Are we going to have to put up with that whole series as movies?

    This week "Hunger Games #2", which is at least original. Its first copy is "Divergent", coming out soon. There's a whole section of post-apocalyptic teen novels in print, and, the vampire/werewolf/zombie thing having run its course, we'll be seeing more of those. There's a glut of "chosen one teen hero" movies. It worked for Harry Potter, but it's been downhill since then. Low point: "The Last Airbender", or "Why M. Night Shyamalan sucks".

    (Recommended reading in that genre: "Stormdancer", by Jay Kristoff. It's Japanese drama by a gaijin, but it's well executed and has film potential.)

    1. Re:Too retro by Spad · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, the "original" Hunger Games which is nothing at all like Battle Royale...

    2. Re:Too retro by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Dr. Who, Star [Wars|Gate|Dreck]. Too retro. I'm old enough to remember when they all started. They had their day. They need to disappear into history.

      You know, you can just stop watching something if you don't like it.

      Are we going to have to put up with that whole series as movies?

      Unless you're going to be dragged into the cinema against your will and clamped into the chair with your eyelids propped up a la Clockwork Orange, no, you're not going to have to put up with it.

      They had their day. They need to disappear into history.

      Your opinion doesn't trump everyone else's. Sorry.

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    3. Re:Too retro by Chelloveck · · Score: 1

      Unless you're going to be dragged into the cinema against your will and clamped into the chair with your eyelids propped up a la Clockwork Orange, no, you're not going to have to put up with it.

      Hey, who's up for a Clockwork Orange reboot?

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    4. Re:Too retro by Bremic · · Score: 1

      Would make a great single season TV Series. Though you would want Malcolm McDowell to play the crazy writer.

  18. Watched by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

    The zygon framing story seemed a bit forced - it just distracted from the more important events. The main story went very, very nicely. Canon consistancy achieved quite well (Packed full of references to the classic series), though I think I saw them acknowledge the existance of the movie in there - and that alone is a serious, serious problem.

    Fans *deny* that movie.

    And the temporal hypercomputer trick? That was just very cool.

    1. Re:Watched by Spad · · Score: 4, Informative

      The "Night of the Doctor" prelude already established the McGann Doctor (including radio plays) as canon.

    2. Re:Watched by BarryHaworth · · Score: 1

      And the temporal hypercomputer trick? That was just very cool.

      Yes ... but what sort of techno geek uses the same device for 400 years and doesn't even update the OS?

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    3. Re:Watched by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      He's replaced the screwdriver several times, including upgrading the hardware - apparently he just copies over the software each time, probably because it'd take years to get it working the way he likes otherwise.

    4. Re:Watched by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Which creates a problem. Dr Who is infamous for the loose canon, but the movie is bad even by Dr Who standards. Daleks being *polite*? The doctor being somehow half human, a characteristic never acknowledged anywhere else?

    5. Re:Watched by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes ... but what sort of techno geek uses the same device for 400 years and doesn't even update the OS?

      No Gallifrey, no updates.

    6. Re:Watched by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tennet's severed hand grew into a half-human/half-timelord when pumped full of regeneration energy (although he only had one heart), and as we've seen with Melody Pond, Time Lords are essentially just humans forcibly evolved by the Time Vortex, so the "half human" thing isnt really outside the realm of possibility. And if nothing else, it can just be chalked up to "the doctor lies."

    7. Re:Watched by RDW · · Score: 1

      Yes, it's like being stranded in 2015 with a Blackberry, the last of your kind.

    8. Re:Watched by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      If you go around calling it "Dr Who" and not capitalising "Doctor," you may find your ideas getting short shrift ;)

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    9. Re:Watched by Bogtha · · Score: 2

      The Zygon framing story set up the solution to the Time War - the Warrior Doctor said as much when he remarked that the Ghost of Christmas Future didn't just take him to any future, it took him to the future he needed to see - i.e. it led him to the solution by specifically showing him the Zygon event. The Zygon framing story showed the audience how a stasis cube is used to freeze something in time (via the paintings), and it showed how the Doctor can take advantage of his multiple incarnations to perform a task that would normally take centuries (via the door unlocking), which were used to a) end the Time War in a different way and b) to provide an excuse for involving all of the Doctor's incarnations.

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    10. Re:Watched by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Melody is only "half-Timelord"; I thought that implied that half of what makes a Timelord is exposure to the Time Vortex, not that Timelords come from humans.

    11. Re:Watched by M.+Baranczak · · Score: 1

      Serves him right for running a proprietary OS.

    12. Re:Watched by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      It's not treated consistently even within the series. It isn't even clear if Time Lord is the name they use for their own species, of if it is a rank or title granted to individuals.

    13. Re:Watched by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      I imagine he applied live updates to the flash storage via Ksplice, or similar. As we saw in 'The Bells of Saint John', he's quite the hacker and could write kernel modules to augment the hardware.

    14. Re:Watched by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Them acknowledge the existance of the movie in there

      The terrible Peter Cushing thing or do you mean the Paul McGann telemovie? If you mean the latter then it's tied in so deeply that one of the net "minisodes" that came out just before the anniversary special stars Paul McGann as the Doctor.

    15. Re:Watched by daveime · · Score: 2

      what sort of techno geek uses the same device for 400 years and doesn't even update the OS?

      Anyone using GNU HURD?

    16. Re:Watched by Kjella · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The only thing I hate about this episode is that Doctor Who is turning into a miracle worker that can fix anything, anywhere, any time. Where's all that anguish between doing something bad and letting something horrible happen going to go? No more the burden of having killed billions of children to save the universe on your conscience. Time paradoxes, crossing your own time stream, going to your own grave, time locked has ceased to mean anything. Now it was just "the time streams are out of sync, we just won't remember". At the end of every episode, he could essentially go back to the beginning and make it null and void, no more you made a decision and you're stuck with it. Hell, they more than hinted in this episode that they're going to rewrite Trenselor, no more of this future:

      Dr. Simeon: It was a minor skirmish by the Doctor's blood-soaked standards. Not exactly the Time War, but enough to finish him. In the end it was too much for the old man.
      Jenny: Blood soaked?
      Vastra: The Doctor has been many things, but never blood-soaked.
      Dr. Simeon: Tell that to the leader of the Sycorax. Or Solomon the Trader. Or the Cybermen, or the Daleks. The Doctor lives his life in darker hues, day upon day. And he will have other names before the end. Storm. The Beast. The Valeyard.

      The doctor needs a setback, some kind of limitations, something he can't fix. But I think you have pretty much thrown that out the window by fixing the Time War.

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    17. Re:Watched by Phrogman · · Score: 1

      During the period after the old show was canceled (when the movie with Paul McGann came out), and the new revived series, they have set a whackload of Dr Who adventures starring Paul McGann's iteration of the doctor. They are radio-plays effectively, available here: http://www.bigfinish.com/

      There are also recorded episodes for a pile of other popular but now defunct TV shows. My wife has listened to a ton of these and says they are very well recorded, full cast stories.

      If you count these, Paul McGann has likely done more Dr Who stories than most of the other actors playing the Doctor :P

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    18. Re:Watched by Jerslan · · Score: 1

      Or he updates the software, but the old programs are still running? Update doesn't necessarily mean wipe+reinstall.

    19. Re:Watched by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Time Lord is a race.

    20. Re:Watched by thunderclap · · Score: 1

      'acknowledge the existance of the movie in there'? They canonized the movie finally. The fun thing is that the 'war doctor' disrupted 2 things. The numbering sequences (smith is 12 now) and the fact that if Hurt regenerated into Ecclecton then Ecclecton spent 400 yrs of wandering before he met Rose.

    21. Re:Watched by thunderclap · · Score: 1

      I do believe that was solved during day of the doctor.

    22. Re:Watched by thunderclap · · Score: 1

      Umm Ghost of Christmas Future? No that was THE MOMENT that Rose was emboding. Didn't you get the Bad wolf references?

    23. Re:Watched by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The modern series is absolutely consistent in this: "time lord" is the name of the Doctor's species. The old series offers wiggle room and ambiguity that made it a little unclear, more than outright explicit inconsistency. Even the first Fourth Doctor serial on Gallifrey was IIRC kind of unclear as to whether "time lord" is the species' name, or if it's a political party or caste or something. The ambiguity means there's no effort it retconning it to be consistent, though.

    24. Re:Watched by thunderclap · · Score: 1

      And exactly what is wrong with preventing the death of your people (including 2.7 billion children) when discovering a better way while still destroying the enemy? Also it seems to be forgotten that it was the Moment who revealed the alternate future to 'War Doctor' allowing him to not, this would have effectively elemenated him from the timelines so another solution was found. Doctor Who is the Ultimate example of using the canon to support the ideas presented while not destroying them either. Also, Trenselor he's tomb was there. Great intellegence...Clara seeing every single incarnation of the Doctor and all his successes across his entire life line. You are pissed because Moffet is bending old canon that is rarely watched now to suit new audiences without breaking it. Oh and the time locks were broken by the master during Tennet's doctor so he could have gone regardless.

    25. Re:Watched by Bogtha · · Score: 1

      I would have thought it would be obvious from context, but I was referring to The Moment whilst flippantly acknowledging Day of the Doctor's structural parallels with A Christmas Carol.

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    26. Re:Watched by Bogtha · · Score: 1

      And exactly what is wrong with preventing the death of your people (including 2.7 billion children) when discovering a better way while still destroying the enemy?

      There's nothing wrong with it from the Doctor's point of view, but that's not what Kjella was getting at. It's bad from a story-telling perspective. A character without limitations is uninteresting. The Doctor used to have limitations. They are slowly being taken away, which limits future stories.

      It's like the problem with Superman. He started out as super-strong, and they made him more and more infallible until eventually he was so overpowered that it became difficult to write stories for. If Superman has every power imaginable, then nothing can pose a problem for him and there can be no dramatic tension. You can't put Kryptonite into every story. They ended up having to scale back his powers to more manageable levels.

      Likewise with the Doctor. If they keep removing his limitations, there won't be anything that can be a real threat to him. If the Who writers have any sense, they'll bring back the Time Lords next year and make them a significant roadblock for the Doctor to stop him from doing the more exotic things like crossing his own time stream.

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    27. Re:Watched by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fixing the time war locked in that previous regenerations like the War Doctor, 9, and 10 forget, and therefore the cannon of the revived series is still in tact.

      But what it really did, is set the Doctor on a new course, namely, to find a way to get Gallifrey back. Instead of running away from home, the overarching goal is to find a way to bring his people back, or get back home.. or some such.

      Now, how that will play out in the episode to episode we will have to see.

      I do agree that the doctor needs to have some hooks and emotional baggage in some right. I haven't enjoyed Smith as much as Eccleston and Tennant, because with Eccleston, there was a desparation, and with Tennant there was a level of vengeance at times. Smith is just whimsy, and I didn't care for it much. Although, whether it was purposeful for the entire run of Smith or not, the way they summed up Smith as the "forget your troubles" Doctor kind of sums it all up in a way I can accept.

      Here's to hoping that the Capaldi Doctor is more of a strong idealist with direction. I also hope that he is a bit more emotionally hooked to his companions in a way that makes them his achiles heel. Inevitably, that, and some ideals or rules that he won't break are the kind of things that will make the Doctor less of a cardboard god.

    28. Re:Watched by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      Every time he sits down to update the OS, the Earth (or some other planet) needs to be saved again.

      Besides, if you had a TARDIS and could see all of time and space, would you spend your time sitting around updating your device's OS? I certainly wouldn't.

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    29. Re:Watched by pwileyii · · Score: 1

      As a *huge* fan of Doctor Who, I don't deny the movie at all. In fact, I watched it again about a month ago and while it doesn't really fit the style of the classic episodes (which is really what made me dislike it the first time), it does fit the style of the new series. It is a very watchable movie and I do think Paul McGann makes a good Doctor. His work in the mini-sode for the 50th, makes me wish the I could see more of him as the Doctor. I honestly wish they would have gotten him to play the part that John Hurt played in the anniversary episode to prevent the confusion caused by inserting another Doctor into the mix.

      The 50th anniversary episode was in all aspects for me AMAZING. It tied up a lot loose ends that were created between the classic and new series. With the prelude mini-sode with Paul McGann, we have now seen every single regeneration of the Doctor. Paul McGann has been solidly firmed up in canon, the ultimate end of the Time War has been shown, and we might even have Gallifrey back.

      BTW, if you haven't seen the other 50th anniversary goodies, I highly recommend them. "An Adventure in Time and Space" is basically the real-life story about Doctor Who's beginning with William Hartnell and the "The Five(ish) Doctors Reboot" is an amusing story about the classic doctors trying to get into the 50th anniversary special with some nice jokes for knowledgeable fans of the classic series.

    30. Re:Watched by DutchUncle · · Score: 1

      Consistency? What show were you watching, and might it be available somewhere?

    31. Re:Watched by DutchUncle · · Score: 1

      ++this. How far does it go before he steps out of a shower and tells his companion the last 49 seasons were all a dream?

    32. Re:Watched by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Mystery solved: He just hopped forward and got the final version long ago.

    33. Re:Watched by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      Plus, once Gallifrey fell the commits on the Open Source Sonic Screwdriver Operating System project just stopped coming in.

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    34. Re:Watched by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They canonized the movie finally.

      They made the movie a Catholic saint? Now I'm confused. Paul McGann's image as the canon Eighth Doctor was shown twice before in Human Nature and The Eleventh Hour. What the short did was make the audio play companions official.

      Also please spell Christopher Eccleston's name correctly. Using a 'c' instead of an 's' makes it look like it's pronounced "ee-klek-ton" instead of the correct "ek-ul-stan". That is all.

  19. Best Doctor Who coverage = The Register by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 5, Informative

    The best 50th anniversary coverage I've seen by far is over the The Register. (Yes, the same publication you read to find out what will be on SlashDot tomorrow.)

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/23/doctor_who_is_50/

  20. A good 75 minutes by Alain+Williams · · Score: 1

    I am just wondering who will empty the cup of tea and find Gallifrey. It will make it more interesting if a few Time Lords can be brought into future plots.

  21. This is cool, and I'm not even a fan of the show! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUBxHd3bMhg

  22. Dumbing it down by Gothmolly · · Score: 2

    The mystery of the Time War is part of the mythos - don't explain it, then it's just a thing. When Tennant told the Master about "the could-have-been-King" that was awesome - left you just enough to wonder and imagine what happened. BBC is killing Dr Who by commoditizing it.

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    1. Re:Dumbing it down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you watch it or are you just posting assuming you know what's going on?

    2. Re:Dumbing it down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And all of that still happened. The question is, how did it end? Followed by the question, how did it REALLY end?

      Personally, I think they did fine. Take your cynicism elsewhere, Doctor Who has no room for it. :p

    3. Re:Dumbing it down by thunderclap · · Score: 1

      I disagree. The time war needed to be explained. We finally know when and some what. Now the Doctor's name and origins of the Gallafreyans etc that is Mythos.

  23. Didn't like it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I seem to be massively in the minority here, but I wasn't impressed with the 50th anniversary Dr Who episode.

    Aside from the randomness of running around with Queen Elizabeth I, I don't understand why writers feel it is necessary for them to retcon an established story's past. We've always known that the Doctor did something awful that resulted in the destruction of Gallifrey and the Daleks, and although it ended the Time War and saved the galaxy, it is something the Doctor has always felt very guilty about.

    However, the writers of the show decided that they could fix this problem by "freezing" Gallifrey in a fixed point in time, rather than burning it. This, they reasoned, would result in the planet and the Time Lords being saved, but the Daleks being destroyed. How? Simple - they would destroy one another in the crossfire.

    No. No, they wouldn't. There are millions and millions of Dalek ships surrounding the planet. They wouldn't just keep firing once the planet popped out of existence, wiping all their forces out. They would stop as soon as Gallifrey vanished, leaving the galaxy to attempt to face (and lose to) a huge army of rampaging Daleks. And even if they did something kill each other in the crossfire, the Daleks on the surface of the planet are just as frozen in time as the citizens of the world.

    Why change what the Doctor did? Why remove that flaw, in an attempt to make him whiter-than-white?! The destruction of his homeworld was the Doctor's burden to shoulder. Taking that away makes him less human (I'm aware of the irony there, as he's actually an alien).

    1. Re:Didn't like it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because the phrase "there was no choice" doesn't apply to the Doctor. There's always another way, even when it seems there isn't.

      Also... To get technical (dear god, defending the science in Doctor Who... that's almost heresy!), the Daleks were bombarding the planet from orbit. Being Daleks, expect a mathematically precise bombardment pattern organized for maximum efficiency. Now factor in how long the weapons take to reach the planet once fired, and explain how they make their energy blasts stop in mid flight?

      My question is what would happen to the Dalek fleet when the rather large gravity well they were standing on top of vanished?

    2. Re:Didn't like it by Bogtha · · Score: 1

      I don't understand why writers feel it is necessary for them to retcon an established story's past.

      I don't understand why people complain about retconning things in a show about time travel. Changing the past is an intrinsic part of the show.

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    3. Re:Didn't like it by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      My question is what would happen to the Dalek fleet when the rather large gravity well they were standing on top of vanished?

      Well, since gravity waves travel at the speed of vacuum, it depends on how long it takes to hoover up the mess, don't it?

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    4. Re:Didn't like it by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 1

      Worse-- there were "a billion billion Daleks".

      Even if 99% of them destroyed each other by accident... even if 99.9% of them destroyed each other...

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    5. Re:Didn't like it by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

      Aside from the randomness of running around with Queen Elizabeth I

      Not random. He encounters Elizabeth I in The Shakespeare Code, where he's described as her "sworn enemy", while his marriage to her is mentioned at the start of the last 10th Doctor episode, The End of Time. (So apparently that marriage thing didn't go well.)

      However, the writers of the show decided that they could fix this problem by "freezing" Gallifrey in a fixed point in time, rather than burning it.

      Again, the time lock was mentioned previously several times, including The End of Time. We've known for a long time that Gallifrey didn't burn.

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    6. Re:Didn't like it by CTU · · Score: 1

      Yes I was thinking the same thing. I beleive the time lords returned from the time lock in a season 2 part final thanks to plats that involved the master. So yeah I had the same thought tho now there is a chance to bring more time lords into the show again.

    7. Re:Didn't like it by Wootery · · Score: 2

      I share your view on the unnecessary retconning (god forbid we actually have a dark history to a protagonist...), but:

      No. No, they wouldn't. There are millions and millions of Dalek ships surrounding the planet. They wouldn't just keep firing once the planet popped out of existence, wiping all their forces out.

      I figured this actually made a bit of sense. The Daleks seem to be aiming to destroy everything on the planet's surface - we can see the explosions from space. The weapons used for that level of bombardment would be more than enough to take out other Daleks, even if they're only exposed to their own firepower for a couple of seconds. Kevlar won't save you from even a moment's artillery bombardment, after all.

      Overall though I was disappointed by the depiction of the war. It was just a generic sci-fi battle. I always imaged the 'Time War' would take some totally different form.

    8. Re:Didn't like it by atomicxblue · · Score: 1

      I am one of the minority here as well, but there were only a few bits that I liked. I liked that the War Doctor was gruff and had some good lines. I liked all 13 Doctors coming together. Rose's outfit looked cool... But, this seemed more like a love letter to the Moffat era. If you lopped off the last 15-30 mins, not a single classic Doctor was mentioned. The peace treaty was only there for filler and we never see the end of it. The Zygons weren't really scary because of how easily distracted they were. Attack.. Attack.. Oh, Two Doctors.. I think I'll just stand about and look at them. That's not to begin to throw in the fact that Daleks aren't stupid, wouldn't continue firing once the planet is gone. They would be confused, yes, but then go on to spread their own personal brand of hatred across the galaxy without skipping a beat. It was a sloppy attempt to retcon everything from 2005 on. "Oh, but Tennant incarnation wouldn't remember the events once he left and thinks he used the Moment, but he remembered the Zygons, Elizabeth I and the fez coming through the portal in Smith incarnation." Be consistent with the time travel rules in the SAME EPISODE! At least Moffat had the courtesy to write in a big red reset button, which wasn't the first time. I bet you a lifetime of regenerations, for the Christmas episode, he's going to reboot further, wipe out the past 50 years and make Smith the First Doctor. (Which is why Moffat has dancing around the renumbering questions)..

    9. Re:Didn't like it by thunderclap · · Score: 1

      Um, a the daleks are dumb. As seen on repeated showings prior to this they would do exactly that, keep shooting. You making an assumption based on flawed evidence. 2. The daleks on the surface are dead as the planet was under severe bombardment. Why would you leave troops on the ground if you are going the bombard the planet. 3. Canon wasn't broke nor was there a retcon. WE all assumed that The Doctor destroyed his own race. However, during the series we actually have very little of this because its a topic he refuses to discuss. It isn't until Tennent and the Master that we get any real info. The master breaks the time locks. Other asides but thats it. we knew he hid it from himself but we believed that he had did something that triggers a MAD scenario. It turns out that he was so disgusted, he was willing to use the Moment to wipe out everyone. I however believe the Moment knew he didn't have the dark heart to commit genocide, so using the only companion he every truly loved, it showed a better way. It even used Clara to allow that to happen. Who else but the one person who has seen and been seen by every incarnation who had success. In my opinon being frozen in time is still a form of destruction. It simply fulfilled the Doctor's moral code and revealed something he has hid from himself. He didn't kill his people. Finally, he's alien so I am all for less human motivations. At times he is entirely too human.

    10. Re:Didn't like it by catprog · · Score: 1

      He remembered the fez but not meeting himself. I.E He remembered up to but not including meeting the future doctor.

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    11. Re:Didn't like it by DutchUncle · · Score: 1

      Umm . . . no, changing the Doctor's own past has NOT been part of the show. In fact, the Doctor's own personal timeline has sometimes been the only consistent thing in the universe. That's why some of us are irritated at the idea that EVERY incarnation of the Doctor could have been involved in one scene and NONE of them remember it. The Doctor has been portrayed as remembering all sorts of things from all sorts of eras and his many different regenerations; how would all have been summoned to one instant of spacetime and none of them remember it?

      I don't have a problem with fantasy; I have a problem with internal inconsistency.

  24. *** SOMEWHAT SPOILERISH *** by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1, Informative

    I just got back from watching the simulcast, and it was so fantastic, I can hardly see straight!

    "Inhaler!"

    My favorites: The "War Doctor", the Brigadier's daughter, Dr Who - King of England(!), Gallifrey Stands!, and my VERY favorite, the "Curator". Holy crap, I wasn't expecting the Curator!

    1. Re:*** SOMEWHAT SPOILERISH *** by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Holy crap, I wasn't expecting the Curator!

      I knew something was up, but... well, spoilers, but: blub.

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    2. Re:*** SOMEWHAT SPOILERISH *** by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      Yes, I loved the Curator also. I was hoping to see that actor in the show. Very well done.

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    3. Re:*** SOMEWHAT SPOILERISH *** by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Queen's husband does not automatically become the King of England.

    4. Re:*** SOMEWHAT SPOILERISH *** by funwithBSD · · Score: 1

      Yes, hence the current spouse of the Queen of England is the Royal Consort.

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  25. Night of the Doctor mini prequel by Kilsally6894 · · Score: 1

    Night of the Doctor mini prequel on BBC YouTube Channel http://bit.ly/1cJgVLP the 8th Doctor regenerates into the John Hurt #drwho

    1. Re:Night of the Doctor mini prequel by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      #drwho

      Yeeeaaah no.

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    2. Re:Night of the Doctor mini prequel by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      I liked it. Thanks for the link.

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  26. Fantastic entertainment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Really kept the pace up and "I wonder what will happen next" factor at a high level all the way through. And the John Hurt character was brilliant and quite different from what we had been led to expect. As for the nerds currently moaning about "the canon" because their favourite pet theories have been exterminated, calm down and have a jelly baby.

    Great basis to take the series forward from too once the equally intriguing looking Xmas episode has played out.

  27. I only wish by drewsup · · Score: 2

    The curator, when done talking to Matt Smith, had pulled that little rumpled bag from his coat pocket and said the magic words...
    "Jelly Baby?"

    1. Re:I only wish by DutchUncle · · Score: 1

      Perhaps even Steven Moffat realized that too many of the viewers would pass out.

  28. Too bad the Daleks won by Livius · · Score: 2

    ...the Time War since the only Daleks defeated were the ones in close orbit around Gallifrey, which certainly was not all of them.

    I don't expect perfection from Doctor Who script-writing but I expected better.

    1. Re:Too bad the Daleks won by tie_guy_matt · · Score: 1

      In later episodes they already established that some daleks survived. Besides you can't kill off all the daleks. It wouldn't be Doctor Who w/o Daleks! There are some episodes you can think about afterward. However, like most sci fi it is probably better if you just sit enjoy and realize that it is still better than most of what is on tv -- try not to think too much about it afterwards!

  29. The Five(ish) Doctors Reboot by Memetic · · Score: 2

    Currently airing on BBC's Red Button and soon to be on demand on iPlayer at http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03lv3mj/The_Five(ish)_Doctors_Reboot/ is The Five(ish) Doctors Reboot a self parody by the former Doctors.

    1. Re:The Five(ish) Doctors Reboot by atomicxblue · · Score: 1

      And Jon Pertwee's son.. (He's in the chair in the beginning).. I enjoyed this reboot WAY more than the Moffat reboot.

    2. Re:The Five(ish) Doctors Reboot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Written and directed by Peter Davison, with cameo appearances by Sean Pertwee (son of Jon), Olivia Coleman (one of the incarnationso of Prisoner Zero), Moffat, Tennant, Mrs. Tennant, Russell T Davies, David Troughton and many more.

      Started a little slow but became funnier by the minute.

  30. Re:check this with proof by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With that nickname your campaign will soon become flaccid here. I know, I peeked behind the Tardis door.

  31. Move the doctors up one? by tie_guy_matt · · Score: 1

    So does this mean that John Hurt is the nineth doctor and Christopher Eccleston is the tenth? Or is John Hurt the 12 doctor? Does it go by when they were introduced on the show or by the Doctor's age? Or is John Hurt not getting counted? Paul McGann was in only one episode and he counts. Actually we never saw Paul McGann turn into John Hurt and we really didn't see John Hurt turn into Christopher Eccleston (he was turning into another doctor but I guess they couldn't get Christopher Eccleston to do a cameo) so in the future could they just keep pulling out more and more past doctors? The nerd in me wants to know!

    1. Re:Move the doctors up one? by Pop69 · · Score: 1

      The Movie Doctor turns into the War Doctor in the Night of the Doctor mini episode.

      The comment about the ears in the War Doctor regeneration at the end makes it pretty clear he's turning into the Rose Doctor

    2. Re:Move the doctors up one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So does this mean that John Hurt is the nineth doctor and Christopher Eccleston is the tenth? Or is John Hurt the 12 doctor? Does it go by when they were introduced on the show or by the Doctor's age? Or is John Hurt not getting counted? Paul McGann was in only one episode and he counts. Actually we never saw Paul McGann turn into John Hurt and we really didn't see John Hurt turn into Christopher Eccleston (he was turning into another doctor but I guess they couldn't get Christopher Eccleston to do a cameo) so in the future could they just keep pulling out more and more past doctors? The nerd in me wants to know!

      Perhaps Paul McGann & John Hurt are the same Doctor? The Time War went for a Long Time.
      Perhaps the Doctor aged, linear fashion in one timeline before regenerating?

    3. Re:Move the doctors up one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any references to Eccleston as 9 (and on from there) can be retconned out because the "War Doctor" rejected the name "Doctor" and was denied that name by future incarnations because of his actions. So, that's kind of clever.

    4. Re:Move the doctors up one? by thunderclap · · Score: 1

      True however, there is a 400 yr gap between that regeneration and him meeting Rose. (ie the scene in the tower)

    5. Re:Move the doctors up one? by catprog · · Score: 1

      Night of the Doctor has the regeneration from Paul McGann to John Hurt

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    6. Re:Move the doctors up one? by Macgrrl · · Score: 1

      Check YouTube for the mini-episode Night of the Doctor, which shows Paul McGann regenerating into John Hurt. Official canon and everything.

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  32. What's the name of it?? by MrShaggy · · Score: 1

    I am missing out otherwise..

    I looked through the site and I am missing it completely...

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    1. Re:What's the name of it?? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      The Day of the Doctor.

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  33. Don't miss the Peter Davison special... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Five(ish) Doctors Reboot, a 30-minute "behind the scenes" written and directed by 5th Doctor Peter Davison...

    It's got everyone. Including cameo appearances by Peter Jackson and Ian McKellen (~13:00)...

    1. Re:Don't miss the Peter Davison special... by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      A reply in lieu of mod points. Peter Davison has proved himself to be a comedy genius.

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    2. Re:Don't miss the Peter Davison special... by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Including cameo appearances by Peter Jackson and Ian McKellen (~13:00)...

      Seems to be quite a family affair too - Sean Pertwee in the opening scene, Michael Troughton as one of the Dalek operators, Peter Davison's daughter (and son-in-law) and Colin Baker's family.

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    3. Re:Don't miss the Peter Davison special... by Joe+U · · Score: 1

      Ok, that was absolutely brilliant.

  34. Another poorly-thought out Slashdot story title by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    Happy 50th Doctor Who

    50th what? When you're discussing a show where one of the main features is the regular re-casting of the lead actor, and said actors are referred to by their ordinal numbers... just sayin'.

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    1. Re:Another poorly-thought out Slashdot story title by femtobyte · · Score: 2

      I know, this title is completely baffling. Happy 50th Doctor Who... what? Doctor Who Performed A Heart Surgery? Doctor Who Won A Pie Eating Contest? It's as if the title is about something intentionally ambiguous, leaving one forever asking "Doctor Who...?" without clear resolution.

    2. Re:Another poorly-thought out Slashdot story title by thunderclap · · Score: 1

      I know, this title is completely baffling. Happy 50th Doctor Who... what? Doctor Who Performed A Heart Surgery? Doctor Who Won A Pie Eating Contest? It's as if the title is about something intentionally ambiguous, leaving one forever asking "Doctor Who...?" without clear resolution.

      This is your resolution: (the show is Doctor Who, so if Happy 50th 'Doctor Who' baffles you, please don't mind the gap any more.You are beyond hope) "On the fields of Trenzalore, at the fall of the eleventh, when no living creature can speak falsely or fail to answer, a Question will be asked, a question that must never, ever be answered." The Question is Doctor Who?

  35. Download here for those that missed it by Cito · · Score: 1
    1. Re:Download here for those that missed it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funnily this episode was the first time, ever, I had even been able to watch a new episode of Doctor Who without torrenting it. All I had to do is watch it on the TV. At the same time as everyone else.

      Mind-blowing. Why can't these obsolete-and-dying TV companies manage to pull this off on a regular basis? Instead of the usual "we'll air the show an year after the first airing or whenever we get to it. If we happen to care. Deal with it".

      The local channel also has it now on their internet site, streamable for a few weeks if you missed it. No torrenting required. All BBC would have to throw in afterwards would be "here is an online store, pay us some money and download the 1080p file if you want to keep your own copy" rather than selling obsolete plastic discs after the fact.

    2. Re:Download here for those that missed it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lower quality for the bandwidth impaired.

    3. Re:Download here for those that missed it by daveime · · Score: 1

      > At the same time as everyone else. It was simulcast in 75 countries, out of 194 ... SE Asia got almost zero coverage. Thank heavens for torrents.

    4. Re:Download here for those that missed it by thunderclap · · Score: 1

      they could have done what I did. Watched it Live via a BBC1 live stream.

    5. Re:Download here for those that missed it by Macgrrl · · Score: 2

      According to Wikipedia it was 94 countries, still not half the countries in the world, but damn close and a Guinness World Record for the largest simulcast in history, including any Olympics and the moon landing.

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  36. My take ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .... great story, with a great ending.

    Surprised they managed to got David Tenant and Billy Piper to sign for it.

    Clara Oswald is a gorgeous girl !!!

  37. Rose or the Machine by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 1

    So, Rose was, notionally, not really Rose here, but the interface to the machine consciousness. Still, it's worth pointing out that we have no way to verify that-- it could be indeed be Rose in her Bad Wolf phase, when she had great power over time, and could plausibly have appeared back at the Time War, and just pretend to be the avitar of the machine.

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    1. Re:Rose or the Machine by thunderclap · · Score: 1

      Yes as a matter of fact I do believe that is exactly what happened. She saw the darkest thing and it was Eccleson's thoughts and memories on the Time War and that it involved the moment. So That's what we saw. I will stand by the assertion that she changed the Doctor's world line, not him.

  38. The Curator... by ndykman · · Score: 1

    The appearance of the Curator had my head scratching for a bit. I mean, how. We saw that regeneration, nothing weird about that. Seems like a bit of a problem. I don't care about canon, but what would the nerds think.

    I forgot about the Watcher. Loophole; problem solved.

    1. Re: The Curator... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Curator mentioned that, in the future, the Doctor might revisit some old faces, implying that this might be a future incarnation of the Doctor again wearing Tom Baker's face.

    2. Re:The Curator... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Tom Baker is playing a far future regeneration of The Doctor, not the 4th. Listen to what he says to the 11th about revisiting old faces.

    3. Re:The Curator... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you listen to what the Curator says, he is a future version using an old face.

  39. ST3: Keep Spock Dead. SW4: Han Shot First. by grep+-v+'.*'+* · · Score: 2

    ROT-13: Tnyyvserl Oheaf.

    Quit REWRITING "History" .... damnit!

    Last EP of Newhart: ... ended with a scene in which Newhart wakes up in bed with Suzanne Pleshette, who had played Emily, his wife from The Bob Newhart Show. He realizes (in a satire of a famous plot element in the television series Dallas a few years earlier) that the entire eight-year Newhart series had been a single nightmare of Dr. Bob Hartley's, provoked by "eating too much Japanese food before going to bed."

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  40. SPOILER: THE DOCTOR IS GAY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pass it on.

    1. Re:SPOILER: THE DOCTOR IS GAY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is Captain Jack Harkness from Torchwood you are thinking of.

  41. The 50th anniversary drama was good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The BBC also made a 50th anniversary drama "An Adventure in Space and Time" about the William Hartnell era, which was excellent.

  42. Episode so/so, Smith sucked by YoungManKlaus · · Score: 1

    I am so happy he is being replaced. Imo he is the worst of the new doctors yet (and clara is very two-dimensional as well).
    The episode was so/so ... good idea, but so many stupid catchphrases that make no sense except being there for the sake of being there.

  43. And time begins again!! by Nov8tr · · Score: 1

    First I think the 50th special was amazing! It was in my favorite episode of all time. They did such a great job of bringing all 3 Doctors together. And John Hurt did a superb job! But then he's always been a top level actor. My favorite Doctor use to be Tom Baker. I loved him. I could not wait for Doctor Who with him to come on every week. But since David and Matt have come onboard, I now have 3 favorites. I find myself unable to choose between the 3. I find them of equal talent, just different. I am very, very excited to see the new Doctor in his first episode. I WANT A TARDIS!!

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  44. Re:ST3: Keep Spock Dead. SW4: Han Shot First. by thunderclap · · Score: 1

    Don't forget the alternate ending of Breaking Bad. In the Breaking Bad alternate ending video, star Bryan Cranston as wakes up in bed next to former Malcom in the Middle co-star Jane Kaczmarek. Cranston, who played Hal on the show, tells wife Lois (who was played by Kaczmarek) that he had a terrible nightmare. He says he dreamed he was a drug dealer who cooked meth and killed people. “I told you not to eat those deep-fried Twinkies,” Lois says. Hal tells her he dreamed he was married to a beautiful, tall blond and she tells him to “keep dreaming!” Hal seems very distraught about his ‘nightmare’ and Lois says, “You grow a beard and suddenly you think you’re Osama bin Laden.” At the end of the video, Hal tries to make a move on Lois like Walter White did on Anna Gunn’s character Skyler White on Breaking Bad. Louis tells Hal to stop it because she’s trying to sleep. He turns out the light and tells her “Goodnight Skyler.” Oh, and Walter White’s Heisenberg hat is notably slung on the seat of a chair in the bedroom throughout all this.

  45. Other 50th Anniversary Goodness by pwileyii · · Score: 1

    If you haven't seen the other 50th anniversary goodies, I highly recommend them. "An Adventure in Space and Time" is basically the real-life story about Doctor Who's beginning with William Hartnell (http://www.bbcamerica.com/doctor-who/guide/50th-specials/an-adventure-in-space-and-time/) and the "The Five(ish) Doctors Reboot" is an amusing story about the classic doctors trying to get into the 50th anniversary special with some nice jokes for knowledgeable fans of the classic series (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01m3kfy).

  46. WOOT! I PISSED OFF THE FUCKTARDED SHITDOT SHEEPLE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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