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Kdenlive Developer Jean-Baptiste Mardelle Is Missing

jones_supa writes "Kdenlive's project leader Jean-Baptiste Mardelle, who always used to let people know if he was going to be away for a couple of days, seems to have just disappeared. His last e-mail and blog post were in early July and they didn't suggest any problems. While there's many Kdenlive fans out there for the KDE-focused open-source video editor, it seems new development efforts around the project have ceased. Also the Kdenlive Git repository hasn't seen any new commits (aside from the automated l10n daemon script) since early July. There has been also people in KDE forums and Kdenlive developers' mailing list pondering about the status of the project, being left none the wiser."

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  1. My theory by Hamsterdan · · Score: 4, Funny

    He's been kidnapped by a Gnome

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    1. Re:My theory by lxs · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah. They sent Jodie Foster to interrogate him in his cell.

  2. Reasons by war4peace · · Score: 2

    Death;
    Family tragedy of some sort; ...Can't think of anything else which would mandate sudden interruptions of this kind. I mean, even if you wake up one day and just say "screw this, not doing it anymore", at least you should leave a message out of respect for your own work, if not the user base.

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    1. Re:Reasons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's assuming the user base had any respect for him.

      People who develop open-source software in my experience have to learn to deal with being routinely harrangued, insulted, threats of death, all because...say, you decided to go with GPLv3 instead of the BSD license.

      I can imagine it being pretty easy to walk away from all of it if that were the case, if you pour your heart into something and it goes entirely unappreciated you don't have much reason to continue. Unfortunately, until someone hears from him or someone else takes over, kdenlive is at a standstill.

    2. Re:Reasons by war4peace · · Score: 2

      It's not about the user base respecting you, it's about you respecting your own work.
      I ventured to assume that since he was coding voluntarily, this would have been a passion-project. you don't just drop it without warning, really.

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    3. Re:Reasons by Eskarel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The fact that it's a passion-project would be precisely why you'd drop it without warning. Imagine you were working on a product for money and the money dried up, you'd stop developing. The same thing happens to a passion project when the passion dries up.

      On top of that, if it's like anything I've ever lost passion for it's usually a case of not logging in for a day, and then a couple of days, and then weeks, and by the time you've accepted that you're actually not ever going to log in again it seems pretty pointless to go and tell people "hey guys I'm gone", especially if you're user base are jerks.

  3. Can we pay the ransom? by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 2

    Perhaps we can assemble and offer a large pile of underwear as ransom?

    Will the gnomes return him unharmed, or is that a different business model?

  4. Re:This is why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Open source software sucks

    Quite the opposite. Since it's open source, it can be forked and can continue development. With close sourced software, once development halts, for whatever reason, nobody else can work on it.

    So this is actually an example why Open Source software rocks.

  5. Still involved on September 16 by Camembert · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I did a quick google and found that he posted on September 16: http://lists.kde.org/?a=120532466800019&r=1&w=2 So let us hope that the man returns. On a bigger topic, this is the kind of software that would really benefit from having far more contributors. I am not a programmer but I'd think that working on a video editor is rather cool.

    1. Re:Still involved on September 16 by DexterIsADog · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's the precise reasoning - you cannot make an observation containing the slightest criticism of something unless you yourself participate in that activity.

      That's why aficionados of basketball who don't play in the NBA scrupulously avoid any implicit criticism of players, coaches, officials, or owners when they discuss the sport.

    2. Re:Still involved on September 16 by chromas · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm pretty sure he was being sardonic.

  6. Re:This is why by QuasiSteve · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Which is different from closed source software, how?

    Take SpaceMonger, for example. There one day, gone the next. Guy's still around, personal blog notes the disappearance, and essentially told people to just not ask. Well alright, then.

    I do agree that when an open source software project goes stagnant because one or more active developers quit, it's rather indicative of the fact that just because the source is available that there is no guarantee whatsoever that somebody else will pick it up. But at least they can.

  7. Live by the media, die by the media. by VortexCortex · · Score: 3, Funny

    Given the nature of the Kdenlive software itself, video editing, I think it would be foolish to rule out a mafiAA hit.

    1. Re:Live by the media, die by the media. by rmdingler · · Score: 2

      I sure hope this story gets the legs McAfee's Belizean Adventures had for its' interminable 15 minutes... whether or not he was responsible for Greg's fall, his tale competed with the mighty Bitcoin in article frequency, for a minute.

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  8. GEEZ. Let's all just engage in rank speculation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It took me two minutes to get an address and telephone number for the guy. Maybe it's current, maybe it's not. But instead of just pointlessly speculating, maybe somebody who personally knows him from KDE events should give him a call and see how he's doing. On a side note, I can't believe this is on /. Phoronix? Yes, because its a worthless gossip rag. It's getting really old with /. taking crap articles from Phoronix and putting them on the front page.

    1. Re:GEEZ. Let's all just engage in rank speculation by rmdingler · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is the loathesome pretentious side of /. This story, with (x)+/- readers and comments -not statistically insignificantly including you and yours- , has piqued my own good interest enough to comment a second time. That a single grandiloquent pos(t)er would not only attempt to modwhore a perceived populist highbrow view of article selection, but gain the three positive mods despite his rather less than opaque pandering, well as you can tell, leaves me speechless. It's called the "F_rehose" and may I buy you a vowel?

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  9. Re:Hate to say it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    We've had two people die in the year and a half since I started this job, we still release and bugfix.

    And you're still there?! Get out while you have a chance!

  10. Re:This is why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've noted in my career that you see this happen to proprietary products (of all types). Unless the product has large well organized team and good cash flow to support it, the departure of a keep person often results in the product becoming an orphan. The hurdle of training up a new staff member is too large compared to other things the company could spend money on, and the product dies.

  11. Re:Hate to say it... by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 4, Funny

    What are you talking about? He's discovered the holy grail. What do you do with a bad developer? Kill him and the company will hire a replacement. Brilliant.

  12. Re:This is why by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Closed source software development will stop when it doesn't make money. It might be because the software is no longer relevant or because it sucks, but always because it is not making any more money for the developer(s). Open source projects can continue on if they suck or if they don't. There is no filter in that regard. The need to make money effectively weeds out undeserving projects and ensures there isn't a glut of half assed copycats. That is, there are a fewer number of properly QA'd more fully featured offerings for any given piece of software. And if closed source projects are good, they generally make money so they continue until they don't. Sure there are some decent open source programs. But for a workstation or laptop, I buy closed source apps and don't mind paying for them. For servers, open source seems to be at least as good as closed source. But it easier to make money selling support contracts for servers (like database servers or JEE containers) than for individual programs. So it still comes down to money.

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  13. Re:This is why by KlomDark · · Score: 4, Informative

    Oh, so like WinAmp? Gone after Dec 20, 2013.

    // I'm one of the weirdos who still think it's the best and am gonna miss it. Just bought WinAmp for Android less than two months ago.

  14. NSA was June, a lot of people dropped off the net by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A lot of people dropped off the Net in July, well at least they stopped posting and doing stuff until they can secure their email, and communications.

  15. Re:Reasons - He probably had a kid by edremy · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Depends. For us, it was a zero warning phone call telling us to come pick up our son at the hospital. For #2, we were on vacation and got "How fast can you get to Norfolk?"

    /Adoption can be amusing...

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  16. Re:This is why by epyT-R · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The filter for OSS is lack of interest. When no one is interested in the capabilities, it is abandoned.

    The filter for closed is lack of sustained monetization, whether the software is still useful to users or not is irrelevant. Many times older versions with fewer use restrictions end up being 'good enough', and kill off the 'business model' the developer wants to use/change to, so the whole program is abandoned. SaaS is a perfect example of this progression. Today's feature is tomorrow's monetization killer and is removed. What the user actually wants becomes more and more irrelevant as it finds its way to bottom denominator hell.

  17. Re:Plenty of OSS are abandoned today by maxwell+demon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Yes, the difference between Open Source and closed source is that often the Open Source project gets visible before it gets finished, therefore you see the projects that failed early on. OTOH closed source is usually not released before the developer considers it ready for use, therefore you'll never get to see most failed close source projects.

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  18. Re:Hate to say it... by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2

    The rest of the team would just pick up the software and carry on.

    There may not be "the rest of the team". You are confusing "closed source" with "company-developed".

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  19. Re:This is why by Eskarel · · Score: 2

    That's more of an indictment of Linux media players rather than a complement of Winamp.

  20. Re:I still don't know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Then read the summary.

  21. Re:Plenty of OSS are abandoned today by DMJC · · Score: 2, Interesting

    However, the difference is with open source, you CAN fork it and keep working on it. Take mg2modeller for example (on sourceforge) It's my project. I originally wanted to make a Caligari Truespace clone (funnily enough Microsoft bought out Caligari and killed Truespace) so I could model on Linux. The project is basically dead, except I still update the code every now and then when I can be bothered to sit down and code (ADHD, and lacking the ability to hyperfocus or be motivated can be a real bitch most of the time.) The project was originally a dead project I pulled from some other guy's website. I cleaned up his code, modernised it, and got it working. Now it's halfway to being a decent poly modeller with an intuitive UI. More intuitive at least than the mess of UI that is other programs. 3D modelling is one of those things that's insanely individualised. You can't just tell someone to use Blender or Maya and have them change their entire workflow. It just won't happen. I know because I've tried. Caligari Truespace is still the only modeller I choose to use. It's what I know and it's what I want to know. Hopefully some other person can take my code changes and build on them. That would make me very happy especially if they could actually finish the project. Closed source can't do any of this. It will always be inferior software because of this.