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Sex Offender Gets New Hearing After Hearing Officer Rants Against Arial Font

ericgoldman writes "People often feel passionately about fonts, but government decisions shouldn't depend on what font people choose for their written submissions. In Massachusetts, a sex offender overturned the decision of a hearing officer after it was determined that (among other possible biases) the hearing officer posted to Facebook that he 'can't trust someone who drafts a letter in arial font!' and 'I might be biased. I think arial is inappropriate for most things.' This is just the latest example of how social media rants by government workers are causing problems for the workers — and the people they deal with."

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  1. stupid coments, but.... by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Interesting

    .... most American legal jurisdictions have Rules of Civil and Criminal Procedure, that specify the format legal pleadings are supposed to take. They're usually quite specific on the allowable fonts, font sizes, line spacing, the format they expect for the numbering of paragraphs, and so on. Lawyers and pro-say litigants ignore these rules at their own peril, as doing so is liable to get your case dismissed outright and at the very least will seriously annoy the Judge. Of course, most Judges don't take this annoyance, combine it with a bunch of other rants, then post it on Facebook....

    It does amuse me that so-called higher educated professionals just as liable to open mouth and insert foot on Facebook as the immature uneducated brats (I was, like, at work, and like, you know that patient, like, from the other day? He's, like, a total asshole.) I have the misfortune of calling co-workers.

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    1. Re:stupid coments, but.... by hawguy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      .... most American legal jurisdictions have Rules of Civil and Criminal Procedure, that specify the format legal pleadings are supposed to take. They're usually quite specific on the allowable fonts, font sizes, line spacing, the format they expect for the numbering of paragraphs, and so on. Lawyers and pro-say litigants ignore these rules at their own peril, as doing so is liable to get your case dismissed outright and at the very least will seriously annoy the Judge. Of course, most Judges don't take this annoyance, combine it with a bunch of other rants, then post it on Facebook....

      It does amuse me that so-called higher educated professionals just as liable to open mouth and insert foot on Facebook as the immature uneducated brats (I was, like, at work, and like, you know that patient, like, from the other day? He's, like, a total asshole.) I have the misfortune of calling co-workers.

      It's not clear that the hearing officer was ranting about a formal legal document. He called it a "letter", so it could just be some letter that the defendant was required to write without any specific formatting requirements.

    2. Re:stupid coments, but.... by JWSmythe · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes, I've seen some of the specifications. IANAL, but I've worked with a few, and they've described some of the rules, and then shown me the spec to explain it to them. :)

      To the best of my knowledge, the courts never had to deal with it. The Clerk of Court office would simply refuse them, and instruct the person filing of why they were refused. Like "Really, you can't use Comic Sans. Use Arial, Helvetica, or Times New Roman.

      I'm guessing since he did receive filed papers with the Arial font, that it is accepted in that jurisdiction, and the guy bitching about it was just a dick. Admitting bias based on anything is absolutely stupid for an officer of the court.

      This one (IMHO) is worse, âoelikes taking motions under advisement, but gets greater satisfaction denying themâ. Ok, so you just like refusing motions. It doesn't matter if there's justification for them? That's not how the judicial system is suppose to work. I guess it's good that he outed himself. He's just removed himself from the judicial system entirely. So much for those great career plans.

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    3. Re:stupid coments, but.... by catfood · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes and no. When I had a case in the Ohio Court of Appeals, I looked all over the rules for information on font sizes and such. Couldn't find any. Called the Clerk's office. The person who answered the phone there said, "Look, most of our filings are from inmates and they're handwritten. We're happy that your brief is typed at all."

    4. Re:stupid coments, but.... by Will.Woodhull · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It does amuse me that so-called higher educated professionals just as liable to open mouth and insert foot on Facebook as the immature uneducated brats

      Some persons are educated beyond the level of their intelligence. In the USA, that seems to be increasingly common in the last decade or so.

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    5. Re:stupid coments, but.... by Shakrai · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So, uh... WHY are there rules on fonts?

      Readability. The same reason they usually mandate double spacing, the numbering of paragraphs, and so on.

      You'd appreciate the same if your job primarily consisted of reading documents on paper. Didn't your professors/instructors at school have similar requirements?

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    6. Re:stupid coments, but.... by Tanktalus · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Legible" may be sufficient at Podunk University/College/Pub, but in the Ivy League, you better have everything perfectly pristine using ink made of virgin's blood on 30lb paper stock with a brightness rating of no less than 110.

      Personally, my professors were fine with chicken scratch, and bonus points for chicken blood, too.

    7. Re:stupid coments, but.... by Deep+Esophagus · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This would seem to indicate that it's a personal bias, and not some kind of technical requirement.

      We were defending pro se in a civil suit -- couldn't afford a lawyer -- and got the decision against us overturned because the judge made remarks like "Since you can't be bothered getting a real lawyer..." Even better, the judge was a golfing buddy with the plaintiff's attorney, and they made no attempt to disguise their familiarity and friendship during the pretrial hearing. No surprise he ruled against us on the spot with a summary judgement, never bothered to look at our defense brief.

      Still had to go through it all again with a new judge, but at least the jerkass decision didn't stick.

    8. Re:stupid coments, but.... by kelemvor4 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I hope you're right that it was something he was required to write for the proceeding, because if he's trying to wing it without a lawyer he's already screwed up. Letters from litigants carry very little weight with most courts, even those (small claims/traffic court) that primarily deal with matters that aren't usually worth hiring a lawyer for. Litigants are expected to know how to draft a pleading and obey the rules of procedure.

      Funny, but I thought citizens were guaranteed rights to a fair trial. If you have to hire a lawyer to get a fair trial then that means only those who can afford lawyers these rights.

    9. Re:stupid coments, but.... by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This would seem to indicate that it's a personal bias, and not some kind of technical requirement.

      Maybe, maybe not. It was certainly unprofessional; I won't argue that. But it's also the kind of thing I might say as a joke to a friend afterward without attaching any real meaning to it at all.

      Suppose I interview an engineer and it goes badly. We have an up-or-down vote after his series of interviews and decide not to hire him. At that point, I could see telling jokes like "...and I'd never hire someone with Perl on their resume, anyway." We'd all laugh and move on to the next person. In fact, though, if the candidate was good then it would never come up again. It absolutely would *not* prevent us from hiring someone and wouldn't even remotely be a weighted factor.

      I suspect it was a similar throwaway comment that didn't actually reflect the judge's true feeling, but was meant as something his coworkers would find amusing (even as they understood it was utterly lighthearted). It was obviously a bad idea to joke about it somewhere as public as Facebook, but doubt that it truly reflected any personal biases.

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    10. Re:stupid coments, but.... by dalias · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There's a simple principle I go by for jokes: something is a legitimate joke when you're making fun of yourself or of [someone in] power. When you're making fun of someone you hold power over, that's not called a joke. It's called being an asshole.

  2. Priorities much? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you spend your time dealing with sex offenders, and your rants are about Arial, is it possible that you might have your priorities in poor order?

    1. Re:Priorities much? by KingSkippus · · Score: 5, Informative

      Not surprisingly, the submitter grossly misrepresented what was said. In TFA, the Arial font thing was just a couple of lines in a much more troubling string of rants, stuff like:

      - "it’s always awkward when I see one of my pervs in the parking lot after a hearing"
      - he (the hearing examiner) “likes taking motions under advisement, but gets greater satisfaction denying them”
      - On November 20, 2008, the day of the plaintiff’s hearing, the following comment was posted during working hours: “it’s always a mistake when people testify, because they get destroyed in cross examination”
      - On that same day, the day of the plaintiff’s hearing, the hearing examiner also posted the following (apparently with reference to a different sex offender): he (the examiner) “hopes this guy doesn’t show up!!” which was followed up with “Tyson Lynch says yay!! He didn’t show up!”

      ...And so on. This is someone who is supposed to be fair and impartial, and the guy clearly has issues with the people he has a duty to work with.

      So yeah, if I had a hearing before the guy that went south, I'd be trying to have it overturned also. I hope that the guy is fired and the people who did have hearings before him get new hearings.

    2. Re:Priorities much? by Altus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What is more disturbing is the thought that there have been and always will be people like this in power and most of them are not stupid enough to post this shit publicly... they just quietly sit there and do a really half assed job and determine the course of peoples lives.

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    3. Re:Priorities much? by reve_etrange · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How can humans be prevented from having power over other humans if there aren't any humans with power over other humans to prevent the humans from having power over other humans?

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    4. Re:Priorities much? by nctritech · · Score: 5, Funny

      You should get the opinion of the county serif. *snork*

    5. Re:Priorities much? by Antipater · · Score: 5, Funny

      How can humans be prevented from having power over other humans if there aren't any humans with power over other humans to prevent the humans from having power over other humans?

      Replace the humans with turtles.

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    6. Re:Priorities much? by foobar+bazbot · · Score: 4, Funny

      By having computers having power over humans, and making them perfect.

      This won't work, because some hammy starship captain will show up and talk the computer to death (likely death of a mildly explosive nature). Happens. Every. Time.

      So long as starship captains, or the possibility of a starship captain, exists, computers cannot have power over humans.

    7. Re:Priorities much? by reve_etrange · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes, all the way down.

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  3. Huh by Ultra64 · · Score: 5, Funny

    "a sex offender overturned the decision of a hearing officer"

    I'm not sure it's a good idea to let the defendant be in charge of the judicial process.

    1. Re:Huh by Ultra64 · · Score: 3, Informative

      >You would prefer that defendants be defenseless?

      What are you talking about? There is no legal system that would allow the defendant to overturn anything. That is the judge's job.

      I was just making fun of the typo in the summary.

  4. Ranting against Arial is just insane... by QilessQi · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...now if it were Comic Sans, I would TOTALLY agree.

  5. Cool Story Bro Time by CB-in-Tokyo · · Score: 5, Funny

    Back in the 90s, I had a job teaching MS Office to people. One class I was hired for was to teach a bunch of local judges how to use Word.

    While discussing how to change fonts, one of the judges says, "Huh! Anal font, what the hell is an ANAL font!"

    Maybe it is the same judge!

    1. Re:Cool Story Bro Time by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Funny

      I am really interested in learning details of an ANAL FONT.

      The Details of an ANAL FONT

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  6. Re:I have to agree by tag · · Score: 3, Funny

    | | All [...] documents should be in a fixed-width font. Anything else is just crazy.
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    | Fixed that for you.

    FTFY

  7. "Social media rants"? by denzacar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    social media rants by government workers are causing problems for the workers

    Seems to me more like "social media helps to uncover insane asshats among government workers".
    Seriously, this guy apparently prejudiced against someone in a sexual assault case based on a font - he just gave everyone with whose cases he was involved a cause to ask for a retrial.
    What are the chances an innocent person went to jail cause he didn't like their font or their hair style?

    Once again this just proves that if you give asshats enough rope, they will eventually hang themselves with it.
    I say "thumbs up" for the social media.

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  8. Should shut up and be glad.... by TheCarp · · Score: 3, Funny

    I just this past week had the opportunity to read some legal filings in the case between a friend of mine and his former wife over custody. Since he can't afford a lawyer, he fills out forms the court gives him and does it.... BY HAND.

    Give me some arial any day of the week.

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  9. Fixating on a tiny aspect... by Junta · · Score: 3

    There were several comments which seemed not to really be supporting claims of bias (Arial font, hating the word lascivious), together with some things that are as likely to be just being inconvenienced (e.g. a police report in spanish I suspect is included to imply racism, but is just as likely to be complaining much in the same way I might complain if someone gave me something in German).

    But the vast majority of comments were more cut and dry 'I hate the people who I'm called upon to conduct hearings for', which would be the more relevant serious half of this.

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  10. Re:Comic Sans, on the other hand by hawguy · · Score: 4, Funny

    That should be a shooting offence. I recall working for a company who had a new director of marketing. She did everything -- everything -- in PPT, even memos. Her preferred font was Comic Sans and the concept of a colour space for documents was basically science fiction to her.

    Yeah, the company went under. How did you guess?

    I guessed it went under because if the company went on to be wildly successful, then this anecdote wouldn't confirm your belief that the marketing director's memo style was a sign that the company was doomed to fail so you wouldn't have told it.

  11. Re:I have to agree by magic+maverick+ · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That might not be important for you. But other aspects of the system could be. E.g. take an A3, you can put two A4 pages exactly on it. Also, you can blow up an A4 page, to A3 and keep the exact dimensions. Or, blow down an A4 page to A5, and keep the exact dimensions. There are so many benefits from the system, even if you don't use them all.
    I like printing two pages to a sheet, it saves paper. Because I use A4 size sheets, I can fit exactly two pages of a document. Nice.

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