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Microsoft May Finally Put Windows RT Out To Pasture

onyxruby writes "Microsoft may finally be ready to put Windows RT out to pasture. After ignoring pundits, the public, and a staggering $900 writedown, the subsequent lack of sales for the second edition of the RT have finally gotten the message through. Speaking at a UBS seminar, Microsoft VP Julie Larson-Green said, 'It just didn't do everything that you expected Windows to do. So there's been a lot of talk about it should have been a rebranding. We should not have called it Windows (.DOCX). How should we have made it more differentiated? I think over time you'll see us continue to differentiate it more. We have the Windows Phone OS. We have Windows RT and we have full Windows. We're not going to have three.'"

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  1. 900 bucks by rubycodez · · Score: 5, Funny

    wow, only $900 to write that stuff off? I would have cut them a check years ago to enable that

    1. Re:900 bucks by blue+trane · · Score: 4, Informative

      What are you talking about? It still says "$900 writedown".

    2. Re:900 bucks by rubycodez · · Score: 5, Informative

      tech.slashdot.org still has the $900, hardware.slashdot.org story has the $900M

    3. Re:900 bucks by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

      wow, only $900 to write that stuff off?

      The $900 was computed in Excel RT, so it must be correct.

    4. Re:900 bucks by spruce · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well that explains some of the weirdness with Slashdot. Not only do they customize posts for each subdomain, they actually tailor each post for each user. Also they're ph balanced for Windows, but strong enough for Linux!

  2. $900 Writedown by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's pretty much what happened to every consumer that bought a Windows RT device.

  3. Shooting Itself in the Foot by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Microsoft has developed a habit of killing every new product the second it runs into a little difficulty, and now wonders why consumers don't want to risk their money on new Microsoft products that will probably be dead in a year.

    1. Re:Shooting Itself in the Foot by snookerdoodle · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't think this has anything to do with consumers risking money on new products. This is a case of Really Bad Branding. Many consumers are not even aware that their new Windows tablet won't run Windows applications (if it's Windows RT). Not only so, but deciphering whether a tablet had "Real" Windows or Windows RT isn't always clear when looking at products even if you do know the difference.

      I also don't think there's room for a "me too" tablet OS that has nothing compelling over iOS or Android.

      OTOH, I really think Microsoft should be tooting their horns a little louder about tablets running real Windows 8.1 that can run any Windows application.

    2. Re:Shooting Itself in the Foot by Algae_94 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      OTOH, I really think Microsoft should be tooting their horns a little louder about tablets running real Windows 8.1 that can run any Windows application.

      I agree with you. Microsoft probably shouldn't have set their new OS up to be primarily about the metro interface. It's clear that they want to replace as many Windows applications as they can with modern UI applications. Any use case that isn't 100% modern, or 100% desktop has a bad interface for people to switch between.

    3. Re:Shooting Itself in the Foot by 0123456 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      And Metro sucks on anything other than a phone.

      As far as I can see, the whole push for Metro was to try to convince people to develop apps for Windows phones, becuase there was no point in developing for a tiny market like that. Now, they've screwed their desktop users to try to get into the tablet and phone market, and they're dumping tablets.

    4. Re:Shooting Itself in the Foot by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Insightful

      the whole push for Metro was to try to convince people to develop apps for...

      ...the Microsoft store, so that Microsoft could get the same kind of 30% cut that Apple and Google get.

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  4. What microsoft SHOULD have done... by jonwil · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What microsoft SHOULD have done is what Google and Apple did and basically made "Windows Tablet" based on the Windows Phone OS. So they would have had x86 machines running Windows 8 with a normal desktop OS (possibly with a few enhancements to make it run better on x86 tablets) then ARM devices (phone and tablet) running the Windows Phone codebase and supporting the Windows Phone interface and apps.

    1. Re:What microsoft SHOULD have done... by GigaplexNZ · · Score: 4, Informative
  5. Re:Try not to fuck up the product in the first pla by bloodhawk · · Score: 5, Informative

    BS, dual boot is a minor feature that very few would use and would be a blip on the radar as far as sales go. The killer was the lack of apps, the locked down nature of the installed OS combined with general confusion.

  6. Branding matters, both for consumers and for by aussersterne · · Score: 5, Insightful

    project management.

    The product is called "Windows." Windows are static things. They are embedded into walls. They provide an unmoving portal into another space.

    A monitor on your desktop behaves like a window in some sense. It is always in the same place. You sit and you look at it.

    Windows Phone and Windows RT just don't make sense for mobile devices, and provide a kind of complacency to project vision and the wrong idea (unpalatable) to consumers looking for mobile devices.

    MS should call the mobile product something mobile:

    MS Pathways
    MS Journeys
    MS Passages
    MS Ways
    MS Compass
    MS Latitude

    Then they should focus relentlessly on small-screen/long-battery/mobile UX for the mobile system; design toward the lightweight, mobile ethos of the new name, and market it relentlessly not as "the same as windows" but in fact as exactly different from it.

    MS Windows in your office
    MS Compass for going places
    "Because you're not always sitting still.
    "Busy people do more than sit by Windows."

    I'm not saying that the marketing is the product; we all know that's ridiculous and leads exactly to a product fail (mismatched expectations vs. reality). I'm saying that if MS was as marketing-led as they ought to have been, they'd do the field research to know what mobile users need (field research they clearly haven't done well) and target the product to those needs, as well as the marketing campaign.

    Who needs Windows in their pocket on the street? Nobody. Windows belong inside walls.

    Same thing goes for the hardware product. "Surface?" Sounds static and architectural. The opposite of mobility. You can see that they themselves imagined the product this way based on what was shipped out the door. Come up with something lightweight and mobile.

    The Microsoft Dispatch.
    The Microsoft Portfolio.
    The Microsoft Movement (tablet) and Microsoft Velocity (phone).

    These are not great ideas yet, but they're light years ahead of "Windows" and "Surface" for a mobile device that ends up acting just like a "Window" or a "Surface."

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    1. Re:Branding matters, both for consumers and for by SB9876 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Congrats, I think you've come up with more solid ideas than the MS marketing department has in the last 5 years.

    2. Re:Branding matters, both for consumers and for by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Funny

      Given how poorly sales of RT have gone, I think a better name would be Windows The Road Less Travelled.

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    3. Re:Branding matters, both for consumers and for by ganjadude · · Score: 5, Funny

      ok ill bite, what did they do 6 years ago that was solid? ;)

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  7. Re:Surface 2? by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm sure they'll call the next model the Surface One to avoid any confusion.

  8. Re:Try not to fuck up the product in the first pla by msobkow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nonsense.

    The problem was simple and obvious. It was called "Windows", but when Joe Schmoe tried to install a windows application on it, it wouldn't run.

    The "geek" market isn't even a statistical blip on the radar of market share nowadays.

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  9. General confusion is #1. by aussersterne · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What is a surface?
    Is it a tablet?
    A laptop?
    Is it highly mobile (well sort of, but not like iPad)
    Really lightweight and fast (well sort of, but not like iPad)
    Powerful for stationary work (well sort of, but not like a laptop)
    Easy to carry (well sort of, but not like an iPad)
    Heavy, substantial, and durable (well sort of, but not like a laptop)

    People do two things:

    (1) Use technology for work or play at their desk
    (2) Use technology for work or play not at their desk

    Two basic use cases. Just two, at the very bottom of things. In case (1) you go all-out on hardware and power; don't make them sit longer than they have to, let them get their work DONE! (Power, power, power, some ease of use, no compromises.) (2) you go all-out on not making them feel like they need to return to their desk; give them what they need to do what they need to do without feeling tethered (Mobility, mobility, mobility, touch-friendliness, battery, no compromises).

    Two basic use cases and Microsoft managed to not hit either one of them well.

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  10. The real reason for RT? by Bugler412 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think the real reason for RT was to spur Intel to get better power consumption on their chipsets for the real version of Windows, seems to have met that goal if you view it that way

  11. Interesting by Horshu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is the first site I've come across that has interprested Larson-Green's presentation to indicate MS is ditching RT. Every other one has assumed that they're just going to merge the WinPhone shell into RT and make Modern UI more scaleable across screen sizes.

  12. Re:Surface 2? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm sure they'll call the next model the Surface One to avoid any confusion.

    My sources within Microsoft tell me the higher-ups have finally learned their lesson regarding making it hard for consumers to differentiate between their products.

    According to them, the third iteration of the tablet will be called Playstation 5.

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  13. Problem is more fundamental to RT by Junta · · Score: 4, Interesting

    RT couldn't find a value proposition that created a market just like windows phone is struggling. Windows without legacy compatibility is just not attractive (live by the sword, die by the sword: windows on x86 has gobs of compatible software, windows on arm has next to nothing compared to google and apple devices).

    The initial hard *need* for RT would be that Intel couldn't/wouldn't release an architecture that would even get in the same ballpark as ARM manufacturers in terms of cost and power. Now that need is greatly reduced with Intel's Bay Trail platform. Windows 8 x86 tablets are in the same ballpark as the Nexus 7. There are certainly cheaper android devices more and more, but Intel and MS could elect to participate at those price points if they want to at this point and still turn a profit.

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    1. Re: Problem is more fundamental to RT by Vanderhoth · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Except they won't and you only get one chance to make a first impression. They had their chance and screwed it up, on just about every conceivable level. They can't compete with Apple for the high end / status symbol market or with Androids for the techy geek / cheap tablet market and windows 8 is a joke MS sold their primary market out for to try and get into the "me too" market.

    2. Re:Problem is more fundamental to RT by berashith · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I think they did it on purpose. Coke released a clear product, not to compete with a successful pepsi clear product, but to dilute the market, then fail, and cause the playing field to go back to the original status quo. Microsoft is highly interested in all consumers staying in the x86 market. When ARM started looking interesting to normal people, MS had to do something to protect its turf. Competing fairly would be hard and expensive, and kill off the current cash cows. Burying the new trend by placing a bad taste in the mouth of people who dont know which part of a technology stack to blame can get years of bad publicity for the up and comers.

  14. Re:Microsoft? ASK SLASHDOT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Slashdot also knew the iPod, iPhone, and iPad were all going to be flops. I don't trust any tech predictions that originate from here.

  15. Re:If they hadn't locked it down... by mrchaotica · · Score: 5, Informative

    It seems as well that Microsoft wanted the locked-down environment to prevent Windows RT from having viruses

    Absolute BS. Microsoft wanted the locked-down environment in order to force users to their app store, so that they'd get a 30% cut like Apple and Google do.

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