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Black Silicon Slices and Dices Bacteria

Zothecula writes "Originally discovered by accident in the 1980s, black silicon is silicon with a surface that has been modified to feature nanoscale spike structures which give the material very low reflectivity. Researchers have now found that these spikes can also destroy a wide range of bacteria, potentially paving the way for a new generation of antibacterial surfaces."

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  1. Durability? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Does this stuff have any sort of neat catalytic effects or other cleaning mechanisms, or are the structures so tiny that bacterial polysaccharide goop won't neutralize them inside a week?

  2. sounds like tiny little bacteria-stabbing spikes by ffflala · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "This structure generates a mechanical bacteria killing effect which is unrelated to the chemical composition of the surface," says Professor Crawford, who is Dean of the Faculty of Life and Social Sciences at Swinburne.

    Very low level abrasive... I wonder if and how that might serve as a soap.

  3. a concern by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As it wears down or chips away over time, can the nano particle surface become airborne and become inhaled having similar issues like asbestos?

    1. Re: a concern by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      In short: no.

      Essentially the problem with asbestos was the very high aspect ratio and (obviously) bio-incompatibility.

      Black Silicon spikes don't have anywhere near this kind of aspect ratio and are comparatively biocompatible.

      Source: doing a silicon surface science nanotechnology masters.

  4. Re:sounds like tiny little bacteria-stabbing spike by femtobyte · · Score: 4, Informative

    Soap also serves as a pretty good soap. I suspect the fine size scale of these structures, on a rigid silicon backing, would't be too good at reaching into very much of the rugged mountainous topography (on a bacteria's scale) of human skin.

  5. They found similar structure on insects' wings by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From the TFA:

    " ... the wings of the cicada Psaltoda claripennis could shred certain types of rod-shaped bacteria ... "
     
    " ... the wings of the Diplacodes bipunctata or Wandering Percher dragonfly were even more deadly, killing both rod-shaped and spherical bacteria ...
    "

    I am very curious.

    Since the structures on the WINGS of the insects, do they have some yet-to-be-discovered aero-dynamic functionality, apart from their ability to shred bacteria ?

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    1. Re:They found similar structure on insects' wings by eyenot · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If these are particularly small wings, I suppose that all of these nano spikes might provide some kind of static energy lift similar to what was recently discovered in spiders.

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    2. Re:They found similar structure on insects' wings by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If nothing else, attempting to answer that question will probably make computational fluid dynamics types cry bitter tears of computational inadequacy...

      The silicon structures they were looking at were in the 500nm range, the dragonfly ones ~240nm. That's a huge amount of additional surface area, and on a scale where interaction with gas molecules will probably owe a vexing and deeply unhelpful amount to causes that we normally leave to the chemists, rather than idealized fluid behavior or largely ideal gas kinetic behavior...

    3. Re:They found similar structure on insects' wings by Charliemopps · · Score: 4, Funny

      I was going to mod you up, but they don't have an option for "You just made my head assplode"

    4. Re:They found similar structure on insects' wings by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I wish the best of luck to whoever gets to model the behavior of a mixed (mostly) nonpolar gas interacting with a dense, more or less randomly packed, array of 240nm spikes, composed of some sort of complex biological polymer arrangement, at the boundary of the (already complex enough) interaction between an insect wing and the surrounding fluid...

      (If it turns out that the bugs are capable of using cell membrane potentials to selectively induce dielectric polarization of the air passing over selected parts of the wing surface, or something else verging on plain cheating, I say we back away slowly and let them take over.)

    5. Re:They found similar structure on insects' wings by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

      My suspicion is that you'd need pretty alarming (by biological standards) voltages to get significant changes in the behavior of oxygen and nitrogen; and (for some vexing reason having to do with 'practicality' or such nonsense) my shoddy attempt at research was drowned out by the wealth of sources addressing the behaviors of dielectric gasses from the perspective of somebody who wants to fill his high-voltage transformer with one, so I couldn't find anything about viscosity, adsorption, etc.

      That said, when you see that a dragonfly has some truly alarming surface area hidden on the wing surface, has the capability to produce (modest) voltage gradients on surprisingly short notice, you just have to wonder if, deep in the crevices of those nanostructures, the Van der Waals' interactions are sufficiently important that some flight-relevant surface property can be subtly tweaked in parts of the wing during different phases of the stroke.

      If I had to guess, I'd say that it's unlikely; but it'd be elegant if it were possible...

    6. Re:They found similar structure on insects' wings by jafiwam · · Score: 2

      From the TFA:

      " ... the wings of the cicada Psaltoda claripennis could shred certain types of rod-shaped bacteria ... " " ... the wings of the Diplacodes bipunctata or Wandering Percher dragonfly were even more deadly, killing both rod-shaped and spherical bacteria ... "

      I am very curious.

      Since the structures on the WINGS of the insects, do they have some yet-to-be-discovered aero-dynamic functionality, apart from their ability to shred bacteria ?

      My first thought was "I wonder how the structure changes the reflection of sound?"

      Maybe the wings are deadened for sound in defense against bats. (Which would create massive selective pressure, bats are extremely efficient predators of insects.)

      I could understand how even the smallest bacterial infection on an insect wing could compromise it's owner, but it seems like those structures would be everywhere, because a bacterial infection ANYWHERE can compromise it's owner. So why wouldn't the same structures be everywhere on a creature capable of growing them?

  6. Useless against biofilms by nuggz · · Score: 4, Informative

    Except this only works on the bacteria on contact.
    Get a bit of slime and the surface never touches most of the bacteria.

    1. Re:Useless against biofilms by c0lo · · Score: 2

      Except this only works on the bacteria on contact.
      Get a bit of slime and the surface never touches most of the bacteria.

      Most of the biofilms are... guess what... bacteria. The smoothness of the surface may even promote the formation of a bacteria nanofilm.

      Citation at about 4:12 (warning: mp4 - aprox 17 minutes).
      At about 10 mins: some models of cycada wings surface; most interesting: starting about 11 mins, SEM imaging showing "impaled" bacteria, the "impaling" process (takes about 4 mins in real life)

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    2. Re:Useless against biofilms by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 2

      But can the debris from the killed bacteria build up and form a layer of detritus?

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  7. Heard it all before by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Funny

    "It slices!, it dices! and chops and grinds for all your bacteria processing needs! No more fuss and muss! No more missing mitochondria! And all this can be yours for 4 low monthly payments of just $39.99! It's a limited offer, so get yours nooowwww!"

  8. Re:Radar by c0lo · · Score: 4, Informative
    Two processes are known (so far) for the production of black silicon: pick one.

    Then, I'd suggest you research some methods to deal with the increase of temperature in your car, due to the absorbtion of light in the spectral range 350–1150 nm (near infrared to near UV) - you'll need to dissipate approx 1 kW for each square meter of absorbing surface

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  9. Pretty cool. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Can this structure of silicon also be used for other things?

    Such as battery anode? Massive surface area would be highly useful.

    Inside solid caps? Letting us shrink caps even smaller and still keep the same values.

    How about solar cells? Something that provides very low light back is absorbing all it can. And massive surface area would be useful.

    1. Re:Pretty cool. by TapeCutter · · Score: 2

      High efficiency solar cells and ultra-sensitive sensors are among black silicon's main uses, unfortunately it appears the material is too expensive for everyday commercial use. - WP is your friend.

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  10. Re:Radar by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 4, Funny

    Happily, I read down the thread this far instead of rushing out to get a few square meters of double sided tape and a half a million dragonfly wings... thanks for saving my time and I'm pretty sure all the dragonflies that won't have to walk home would also be appreciative.

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  11. Durability - big problem with many exotic surfaces by Animats · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Durability of an exotic surface structure can be a problem. An example is ultra-hydrophobic coatings. (Now available at retail as Rust-Oleum NeverWet.) They really do repel liquids so thoroughly that coated surfaces can't even get muddy. But they seem to wear out quickly. There are YouTube videos showing that stuff working for ten minutes, then failing. But maybe someone will come up with an improved coating that's tougher.

    "Paint-on solar cells" also fall into this category.

  12. Re:Durability - big problem with many exotic surfa by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I imagine that that's why those bugs are getting away with them. Nothing like being biological to get aggressive self-repair capabilities thrown in more or less for free... Pending nanites, no such luck on our end.

    Marine anti-fouling coatings have similar trouble: they've tried to make less toxic ones, with specially crafted surface geometry that resists mooring by marine organisms; but the minute it starts to wear out, boom, stuff growing. Even the ones that are laced with ghastly organometallic biocides eventually leach enough to lose effectiveness and have to be stripped and re-applied.

    (though, speaking of anti-fouling coatings, if microspike-structures are aerodynamic enough for insect wings and brutally biocidal, I suspect that the world's marine shipping industry would fight like dogs to give you their money if you could paint this stuff on...)

  13. Re:Durability - big problem with many exotic surfa by TapeCutter · · Score: 2

    Was reading about that the other day, the nano-spikes act to break up water droplets into smaller droplets allowing them to bounce off the surface more easily. The same principle also allows the droplets to slide off the surface more easily, useful for boats and planes. Shark skin has similar nano-scale surface geometry, allowing the shark to move faster with less energy. With dragonflies it's apparently the network of ultra-fine capillaries on the wings that does the same job as the spikes.

    As you say if it could be made as a durable paint all sorts of industries will be beating your door down to throw money at you, even the plumbing industry would be interested since they have problems with bacterial slime coating the inside of pipes, slime that even chlorine will not shift.

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  14. Re:Durability - big problem with many exotic surfa by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

    I suspect that I don't even want to know how many 400mm wafers it takes to cover a container ship...

  15. Re:sounds like tiny little bacteria-stabbing spike by newcastlejon · · Score: 2

    Even when they're not used for cleaning hands materials like this are useful for keeping surfaces cleaner to reduce germ transmission. I've read that simple brass and other copper alloys also have similar properties and there was a brief campaign to use it for things such as door handles in hospitals. Brass would most likely be much more economical to produce and has the added benefit of being very easy to recycle.

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  16. I'll have a go by srussia · · Score: 4, Funny

    I wish the best of luck to whoever gets to model the behavior of a mixed (mostly) nonpolar gas interacting with a dense, more or less randomly packed, array of 240nm spikes, composed of some sort of complex biological polymer arrangement, at the boundary of the (already complex enough) interaction between an insect wing and the surrounding fluid.

    Let us suppose a perfectly spherical spike in a vacuum...

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    1. Re:I'll have a go by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

      Well, that doesn't tell us anything about bugs; but if you've got a proposal that will make wings work in a vacuum with just a tweak to surface geometry... I think we can overlook the bug issue and examine that result.

  17. Re:Radar by SuricouRaven · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I see potential for ultra-efficient solar hot water.