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Disabled Woman Denied Entrance To US Due To Private Medical Records

Jah-Wren Ryel writes "In 2012, Canadian Ellen Richardson was hospitalized for clinical depression. This past Monday she tried to board a plane to New York for a $6,000 Caribbean cruise. DHS denied her entry, citing supposedly private medical records listing her hospitalization. From the story: '“I was turned away, I was told, because I had a hospitalization in the summer of 2012 for clinical depression,’’ said Richardson, who is a paraplegic and set up her cruise in collaboration with a March of Dimes group of about 12 others.'"

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  1. While... by Dj+Stingray · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ..literally hundreds of others crossed the border illegally. USA USA USA!

    1. Re:While... by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They can walk, and they can work cheaply.

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    2. Re:While... by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ....and there are people who will hire them.

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    3. Re:While... by digitig · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, wouldn't want to make the condition worse, after all,,,

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    4. Re:While... by Wootery · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You are implying that this means we should be on the lookout for people with depression. You are mistaken.

      If having depression on your medical record is something which can bite you, fewer people with depression will seek help. This will if anything cause more shooting-sprees, not fewer.

      It's exactly this kind of bullshit that makes it so important medical record be kept genuinely private, not just handed out to government agencies as a matter of course.

    5. Re:While... by anagama · · Score: 5, Insightful

      While I don't agree with her being denied entry, one of the key similarities of the spree shooters in the last several years has been depression and having that depression treated with drugs.

      Way to miss the point. Just exactly how does a DHS rent-a-cop get access to her medical records? That's pretty freakin nuts.

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    6. Re:While... by rahvin112 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And those people are rich and well connected.

      You want to stop illegal immigration, start putting business owners in jail for hiring them. No labor market, no illegal immigration.

  2. very understandable by bob_super · · Score: 5, Funny

    We don't want no evil Canadian paraplegic terrorist to assault our defenseless citizens with kind words.

    1. Re:very understandable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      The article conveniently left out that that the March of Dimes makes no commitments to organizing non-violent marches. It's clearly a radical, dangerous group.

    2. Re:very understandable by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We don't want no evil Canadian paraplegic terrorist to assault our defenseless citizens with kind words.

      Irrational fear is the new patriotism.

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    3. Re:very understandable by Etherwalk · · Score: 4, Informative

      We don't want no evil Canadian paraplegic terrorist to assault our defenseless citizens with kind words.

      Meh. Canadian medical privacy is kind of ridiculously done--they put diagnosis (rather than just prescription) on the slips they give the pharmacist, which means for most of small-town Canada, there is near-zero medical privacy. (These are places where the post office knows everyone by name.)

    4. Re:very understandable by pablo_max · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Irrational fear is the new patriotism.

      No, it is not new. Irrational fear has ALWAYS been the keystone to American "patriotism". Hell, just look at the whole McCarthyism thing.

    5. Re:very understandable by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Insightful

      irrational fear has been the keystone to all patriotism

      nothing american about a human phenomenon

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    6. Re:very understandable by SeaFox · · Score: 4, Insightful

      All the recent mass murders in the U.S. have got the right wing blogosphere screaming for a crackdown on the mentally ill.

      Should we point out to them that all these mentally ill people are loose on the streets and not getting proper treatment because these same right-wingers are insisting on social service cutbacks?

    7. Re:very understandable by AK+Marc · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I've had issues. I even had someone helping me (a licensed psychologist, and separately a psychiatrist) tell me that I was ill, but high enough functioning that I should press on until I was unable to do so without harming myself or others. The reasoning was that officially receiving treatment would be roughly the same as a felony conviction for murder for future job prospects and such.

      When those with issues can seek help without fear of punishment (and for free) the number of "mentally ill" in the US will go up by 10x or more.

    8. Re:very understandable by Sique · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Neither does the DHS, or have you ever seen a public anouncement of the DHS to refrain from violence during their next march?

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    9. Re:very understandable by Vintermann · · Score: 4, Funny

      Not to mention evil Canadian paraplegic depressed terrorists. Can you imagine the guilt they could inspire in honest citizens with their "I'm sorry"s?

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    10. Re:very understandable by bob_super · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Slightly offtopic, but I can't resist reposting one of the Onion's best predictions (jan 17 2001)

    11. Re:very understandable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think it's fair to say that the biggest threat to the world wasn't communism, it was the interplay of two superpowers struggling for dominance: everyone else is a target to them.

      You were both a real threat to the rest of the world.

      Land of the free my arse.

    12. Re:very understandable by sjames · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It is more overt in the U.S. than in other western countries.

    13. Re:very understandable by RaceProUK · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yet it is far more prevalent in the U.S. than in other Western countries.

      Clearly you've never heard of the Daily Mail.

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    14. Re:very understandable by BlueStrat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What made McCarthyism bad not the hunt for subversives per se, it was tossing out the constitution in the hunt for subversives.

      Gee, now why does that sound so familiar?

      It's deja vu all over again.

      Those who fail to learn from history...

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    15. Re:very understandable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Really, +4 Insightful? "Not necessarily irrational"?
      Two small quotes:
      1. -"... is the practice of making accusations of disloyalty, subversion, or treason without proper regard for evidence. It also means "the practice of making unfair allegations or using unfair investigative techniques, especially in order to restrict dissent or political criticism".
      2.- "The term is also now used more generally to describe reckless, unsubstantiated accusations, as well as demagogic attacks on the character or patriotism of political adversaries. (...) During the McCarthy era, thousands of Americans were accused of being communists or communist sympathizers and became the subject of aggressive investigations and questioning before government or private-industry panels, committees and agencies. The primary targets of such suspicions were government employees, those in the entertainment industry, educators and union activists. Suspicions were often given credence despite inconclusive or questionable evidence, and the level of threat posed by a person's real or supposed leftist associations or beliefs was often greatly exaggerated. Many people suffered loss of employment and/or destruction of their careers; some even suffered imprisonment. Most of these punishments came about through trial verdicts later overturned, laws that would be declared unconstitutional, dismissals for reasons later declared illegal or actionable, or extra-legal procedures that would come into general disrepute".
      You might want to rethink that "misinformed but not irrational" part, it was a witchhunt. It was, basically: If I do not like what you think, do, say, film, perform, or just who you are, I am going to destroy you, your family, your career and everything you hold dear.
      Those quotes come from the first two paragraphs from Wikipedia. Go, read the article. Done? Now go read some of essays and the extensive literature available on the subject, now that you are at it. And by you, I mean the author AND the people that moded that post.

    16. Re:very understandable by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 4, Funny

      Indeed. Most people don't realize how dangerous a dime can be in the hands of a trained terrorist.

    17. Re:very understandable by squiggleslash · · Score: 4, Informative

      No he doesn't have it backwards. The (campaigning part of the) NRA has specifically demanded crackdowns on the mentally ill in response to the latest shootings. The NRA (again, the lobbying group) is generally considered a right wing group by most standards, to the right generally of the core NRA's members indeed.

      I see no upswell of demand that mental illness definitions become more relaxed by the right. While the left has generally been supportive of moderating things like the DSM to avoid harmless consensual sexual activity (until relatively recently, BDSM, for instance, was considered a mental disorder.)

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    18. Re:very understandable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      This entire article is flamebait. She published a book one year ago about her ordeal with depression and suicide attempts leading to her being paraplegic. It's on a her own website, ellenrichardson.ca - yet the articles frame the issue as if her medical privacy was compromised? She published herself right on the Bio page about seeking repeated medical help.

      I'm starting to get tired of this shit Toronto Star.

    19. Re:very understandable by Sique · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No. It's the law.

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    20. Re:very understandable by jbmartin6 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I thought the same thing when I read about some of the new laws, both passed and proposed among the states, which require a psychologist to report any patient who hints at rampage fantasies or violent thoughts or some such. Awesome, now people who need help will never confide in their psychologists. And naive innocent people who do so will be marked for life as 'violent tendencies'. Really, who hasn't had the occasional violent fantasy?

      It is a real peeve of mine how laws get passed with absolutely zero thought given to what the consequences will be. People change their behavior, but so many of these dumb bills just assume that they won't.

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    21. Re:very understandable by andydread · · Score: 4, Informative

      What made McCarthyism bad not the hunt for subversives per se, it was tossing out the constitution in the hunt for subversives.

      Gee, now why does that sound so familiar?

      It's deja vu all over again.

      Those who fail to learn from history...

      Strat

      It sounds familiar because your hero Michelle Bachman was recently calling for an investigation of people in congress who are not "American enough" So yeah... Deja Vu.

    22. Re:very understandable by evenmoreconfused · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Annual number of handgun-related deaths per 100,000 people by selected country (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate)

      Australia: 1.06
      Canada: 2.38
      Germany: 1.24
      Israel: 1.87
      Japan: 0.06
      Netherlands: 0.46
      United Kingdom: 0.25
      United States: 10.3

      Actually that's not as big a contrast as I expected -- I thought the US was 20-50 times higher than the norm, but it's significantly less than that for most western countries. The worst mostly in Central America, but Mexico is only slightly higher than the US at 11.17.

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    23. Re:very understandable by Xest · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Fear of guns is not irrational. The fact is, someone with a gun can kill you and there's not the damndest shit you can do to defend yourself.

      If however someone tries to attack you with a knife you at least have the chance to try and punch them in the fact and stamp on their balls afterwards.

      That's why gun murders are a different problem to other murders - they're harder to defend against, and even if you have a gun yourself it doesn't help because a criminal will always ensure they get the jump.

      Even outside of that, if you do manage to fire back then there's a greater chance that stray bullets will kill innocent bystanders, something that doesn't happen when you're instead resorting to punching someone in the face.

      It's also very easy to stick up, injure, or kill multiple people with a gun - you can quite easily assault a group of 5 people with a gun, but assaulting 5 people with a knife is probably the fastest way to get yourself a good kicking. You may injure or kill one or two of them but the fact you're going to get the shit beaten out of you after that is a rather massive deterrent.

      So yes, violence occurs without guns, but guns amplify the problems of it by making it too easy.

      This isn't to say I think banning guns outright is the answer in the US - they're too prominent and widespread for a UK style amnesty that has been extremely successful to work, but pretending they're harmless items that don't cause any problems is stupid, it's pretty obvious that they do.

      But to turn your "I have never understood anti gun folk irrational fear of an inanimate object." comment around, I've never understood pro gun folks irrational fear of leaving their house without their gun or living without one in the first place. Are you really so lacking in confidence of your ability to defend yourself should someone try and physically attack you or what?

    24. Re:very understandable by Trepidity · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That's an interesting social difference I noticed after moving to Denmark. It's super hush-hush to get any kind of treatment for mental illness in the U.S., and many people avoid doing it at all because of the stigma. But here, someone will just casually mention in conversation that they were out of work for 3 months last year because they enrolled in a treatment program to treat their depression + drinking problem. The state paid for medical leave and provided a treatment program, it worked, and they went back to work 3 months later, and they have no problem disclosing that. It's just seen as a thing that can happen and should be properly treated, but otherwise no need to be ashamed of it.

    25. Re:very understandable by Assmasher · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Perhaps you should consider that you possibly don't understand what "anti-gun folk" fear about handguns. They don't fear an interlocking series of components that produces a chemical reaction that accelerates an emitted object or objects. They fear the human abuse of such an item.

      I don't think I've ever heard an anti-gun protester complain about a marine carrying a sidearm in uniform, but lots of them seem to complain about how amazingly trivial it is to obtain one even if you're a diagnosed schizophrenic felon (just head to your nearest gun show.)

      Death by handgun isn't any more horrible than death by any other method (hell, you could argue that it is more humane if the shooter knows what they're doing - I'd rather die by gunshot to the head than burn to death) - but I have never heard anyone complain that dying by handgun is worse than anything else.

      What I have heard people complain about is that handguns are more dangerous than other 'murder weapons' for the same reason that assault rifles are more dangerous than handguns, that hand grenades are more dangerous than assault weapons, that grenade launchers are more dangerous than hand grenades, and a 20mm automatic cannon is more dangerous than a grenade launcher. Each one makes it easier to kill more people than the next.

      I assure you that carrying two M9s will allow you to kill far more people than carrying two knives.

      So, perhaps you're a bit mistaken about why people don't like handguns. Personally, I enjoy handgun shooting as a sport, but don't carry one - I use a Mark 23 (a little big to carry anyhow.)

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    26. Re:very understandable by ultranova · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Its amusing how you ignorant fucks act like no other country is patriotic.

      Americans are not patriotic. Patriotic people wouldn't let their country slide to tyranny, nor let its leaders shit all over its laws, nor keep voting for people who can't even pass a damn budget without turning it into a game of "chicken".

      You're so caught up in trying to tell how evil the man is you miss the fact that everyone is the exact same, America just happens to be on the top of the food chain at the moment.

      While that's entirely possible, the fact is that they aren't at the top. It's American's turn to show what you're made of and whether you can handle real power. This far, the answers seem to be "pyrite" and "no". And so the USA fades to history, the same as every previous empire who failed the test. But at least the world has calmed down enough that it's unlikely anyone will be ransacking Washington.

      Your lack of insight and introspection is outstanding.

      Yours isn't, sadly.

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    27. Re:very understandable by ceoyoyo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Pharmacists are supposed to be more than pill counters. They're highly educated drug experts, far more so than physicians. The pharmacist is supposed to check what the physician prescribed, make sure it's correct, a reasonable dosage, and doesn't conflict with anything else the patient may have or be taking. It's very useful for the pharmacist to know the diagnosis, in order to do his job.

    28. Re:very understandable by Minupla · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Just dropping in to add a few facts to the rhetoric:

      Point Blank, by Gary Kleck, pg 165, citing a study by Wilson and Sherman, 1961:

      âoeAt least one medical study compared very similar sets of wounds (âall were penetrating wounds of the abdomenâ(TM)), and found that the mortality rate in
      pistol wounds was 16.8%, while the rate was 14.3% for ice pick wounds and 13.3% for butcher knife wounds."

      So a single GSW to center of mass is carries a 16.8% mortality rate.

      From Wikipedia:

      "In 2005, 75% of the 10,100 homicides committed using firearms in the United States were committed using handguns, compared to 4% with rifles, 5% with shotguns, and the rest with unspecified firearms.[48] The likelihood that a death will result is significantly increased when either the victim or the attacker has a firearm.[49] For example, the mortality rate for gunshot wounds to the heart is 84%, compared to 30% for people who sustain stab wounds to the heart.[50]"

      OK, carry on.

      Min

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  3. Statue of passing judgement by mwvdlee · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Give me your tired^whealthy, your poor^wrich/Your huddled masses^wvisa-workers yearning to breathe free^w"managed"

    Only a few more words to go people; you can do it!

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  4. D for douchebag? by Misagon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Does the D in DHS stand for douchebag?

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    1. Re:D for douchebag? by Seumas · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's the "H" in DHS that you need to be concerned about. How does it not make everyone extremely uncomfortable as soon as a government institution (that spreads and entangles everything everywhere) starts referring to "the homeland". It has a very specific cold-war connotation to it and accurately conveys the mentality behind the department (and the government, overall) of the last decade.

    2. Re:D for douchebag? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I hear "Homeland," and I think "Fatherland," or "Motherland." Very 1930s Germany, very USSR.

    3. Re:D for douchebag? by MRe_nl · · Score: 5, Funny

      Der Heutigen Stasi.

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  5. Collusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How did they get her Canadian medical records? Canada's hospitals are run by government... did the government really hand over all of Canadians' private medical records to a foreign country?

    What scum.

    1. Re:Collusion by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Although I don't really understand why they want to keep depressed people out, it's just a tourist visa, not even a long term thing.

      Bruce Schneier calls it "the war on the unusual" - I like "the war on diginity" because it better encompasses the kafka-esque nature of the unthinking and unyielding bureaucracy that produces this sort of result.

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    2. Re:Collusion by mrbester · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Delusional? No, she was treated for clinical depression after a relationship ended. I guess you've never had a soul destroying break up that leaves you alone and utterly bereft of joy in your life. Be thankful for that because it fucking sucks.

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    3. Re:Collusion by Seumas · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Gosh, guys, what on earth could a person who is paralyzed from the waist down have to be depressed about?!

    4. Re:Collusion by hattig · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't think you have a clear understanding of mental illness.

      It's like physical illness, but applied to the brain and mental functions. People get better. People get worse. Some people are very very ill, many are just a bit ill. 1 in 4 people will have a mental health issue at some point in their life.

      By "is delusional" you mean "was delusional". This is now managed with drugs, just like someone who lost their leg has their "balance issues" managed with a false limb. I don't think anyone would condone blocking entry to a country because that person had lost a leg in the past.

      The decision was appalling, and the fact that it is clear that Canada is giving up private medical records to US authorities is disgusting.

  6. Umm, what? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's not exactly a surprise at this point that the only thing keeping the DHS from telling you where you left your keys this morning is the fact that they are unhelpful assholes, not the fact that they don't know; but why would the DHS consider a depressed Canadian (whose itinerary, and thus the fact that she'd be on a boat for most of her time here, were presumably also known to them) an entry problem? Tourists, while occasionally irksome, are basically pure profit, and it's not like she's going to be sponging off our kick-ass public health system, or stealing our jobs from her wheelchair.

    Is there some catch-all 'medical refusal' category left over from the good old days of TB screenings at Ellis Island that somebody felt like powertripping on? What sort of insane logic is at work here?

    1. Re:Umm, what? by rioki · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That is why any sane legal system allows some leeway to the decision makers. In many jurisdictions a judge has a wide range of sentencing room, like from 1 to 5 years in prison. He can than look at the specific case at hand and precedents and decide appropriately. Recently all those "zero tolerance" laws are producing absurd situations, for example where a 10 year old boy is expelled from school because he brought a toy gun or knife. (I need to look that article up some time again.) The problem is not the law as intended, it is that the added zero tolerance addition. This makes the administrative staff liable when no action is taken. This creates the stupid situation where people get prosecuted even when the situation runs totally against the intent of the law.

    2. Re:Umm, what? by Idimmu+Xul · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is exactly why it's the only government in the world I'd trust to obey the law.

      best troll ever?

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    3. Re:Umm, what? by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Insightful

      he's explaining a shitty reality, not condoning it

      ever hear of the phrase "shooting the messenger"?

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    4. Re:Umm, what? by Solandri · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This is CBP (customs and border patrol). Although they are a part of DHS now, they've pretty much had free reign to deny people entry at the border for whatever reason long before they became a part of DHS.

      I lived in Point Roberts and commuted to Canada for work 5 days a week for 3 years, with weekend shopping trips to mainland Washington. So I got very familiar with how CBP works. You're probably right that it was some border agent power tripping. But aside from U.S. citizens, nobody has an inherent right to enter into the U.S. (and sometimes they even make U.S. citizens feel like you don't have a right to enter). Their default is to deny a foreigner entry unless the agent feels comfortable letting the person in, not let the person in unless the agent can find a reason to deny them entry. If you do or say anything which makes the agent wary or suspicious, you risk being denied entry. If pressed, they will just make up a reason if they're deciding based on a gut feeling. Be polite, answer their questions openly, no veiled insults, no jokes which might be misconstrued, and you'll usually fly right through. If they say something insulting to you, smile and ignore it.

      Yes that leaves a lot of opportunity for agents to act like an asshole or practice all sorts of discrimination. It doesn't matter to them. There's very little consequence for them incorrectly denying someone entry, while they suffer huge consequences for incorrectly allowing someone in. Most of the agents I met were polite and professional. All were strict. Only a few were jerks (all of us who commuted cross-border knew who the jerk agents were). Their job isn't to be fair, it's to prevent threats from entering the country. If you're trying to judge them based on fairness, I could write pages of crazy things they did (like strip someone of their Nexus pass for life because a half-eaten sandwich in the car's trash had a slice of tomato, tomatoes being on the USDA's prohibited list that month - yes the list changed monthly). I don't necessarily agree with it, but that's just how CBP works. The whole system is designed to err on the side of the country's safety - denying entry to lots of innocents is considered a worthwhile tradeoff for prohibiting entry to one threat.

    5. Re:Umm, what? by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nice apologia, but it's bullshit.

      When people are denied entry on a capricious basis, everyone suffers. Though they don't know it, even the border patrol fuckwads suffer. And then the country produces more fuckwards, who apply for border patrol jobs because they sense an opportunity to bully people. Then they invent a bunch of bullshit rationalizations for being assholes.

      I tell everyone I speak to on the subject not to visit the USA. You'd have to be an asshole to give us your money. We're just going to use it to fuck you and everyone else over.

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  7. interesting though stupid comment by khallow · · Score: 5, Insightful
    From the comments, there's this gem by a "jaiab":

    The US can deny anyone entry into their country for any reason or no reason.

    While I think we all agree that flying like many activities is something of a privilege. But at the same time, who really thinks it's a good idea to let some preening, unaccountable bureaucrat decide whether or not you should be granted that privilege with no justification needed?

    While the commenter goes on to note that US Customs and Border Protection should not have had access to that medical information (with the poster claiming that is the only "deeper issue" at stake), it's interesting how many issues this one incident bring up.

    In addition, we have regulations that can block someone from flying on dubious medical grounds. And that US Customs and Border Protection has the authority to block people from merely flying through the US on their way to other foreign locations.

    It's like someone knocked a whole crate of worms off the locking dock.

    1. Re:interesting though stupid comment by ceoyoyo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I believe all those people also had a Y chromosome instead of the normal double X.

  8. Not due to private medical records by Arduenn6058 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Due to her medical condition being advertised all over the internet: https://www.tatepublishing.com/bookstore/book.php?w=978-1-60604-911-2

    1. Re:Not due to private medical records by Cochonou · · Score: 5, Informative

      This book is from 2009. Unless it was very foreshadowing, it is hard to think that it can refer to events that happened in 2012.

    2. Re:Not due to private medical records by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Not due to private medical records, due to her medical condition being advertised all over the internet

      There have been at least 12 others with similar experiences at the border. I think it is unlikely that they've all written books about their circumstances.

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    3. Re:Not due to private medical records by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      If you check the article, you'll see that the DHS agent who rejected her specifically cited the medical incident from 2012.

    4. Re:Not due to private medical records by qbast · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Interesting theory, but TFA says: "A personal relationship breakup in 2012 caused her clinical depression and hospitalization (there was no police involvement)." So in other words they could not have known about hospitalization in 2012 (which was specifically cited as reason for denial) from police reports. The book mentioned in comments also was published several years earlier, so it could not be source of information either. It leaves either Canadians voluntarily sharing confidential medical record with US (which makes health minister lying scum) or NSA obtained illegal access and is sharing with other agencies.

  9. That's quite impressive access by erroneus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That is absolutely amazing. (Not in any good way) TSA/ICE people literally have access to this stuff. It amazes me in an utterly horrifying way. That it's more international data sharing at this level should be cause for all manner of scrutiny and corrective action.

    I'm sure Canadians and others are just about done with the US and what the government is up to.

    1. Re:That's quite impressive access by Aighearach · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's not our government that gave away your information, it was your own government that did that.

      Since you refuse to blame the right party, your attitude is hardly going to help solve your problem.

      And I might also point out, the UK, Australia, and Germany probably also have all your information. But don't blame them, they're also not the ones who gave it away.

  10. USA,..... by andy_spoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    USA, a country full of control freaks and paranoia.

    1. Re:USA,..... by SCHecklerX · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The terrorists won.

  11. Re:Maybe not NSA snooping by KitFox · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If the book was published in 2009 and the exact event stated by DHS for denying entry occurred in 2012, how did the 2012 event get known by the DHS from a 2009 book?

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  12. Re:Avoid a psychiatric diagnosis at all costs by seebs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is basically the opposite of good advice, and none of it conforms to any experience I've ever had, or that anyone I know has had. I have a psychiatric diagnosis or two, and I've gotten treatment, and you know what? It's made my life a heck of a lot better actually getting some help. I've never had a doctor try to somehow disregard physical illnesses based on this, either.

    The thing with "treatments" in scare quotes is a pretty strong indication that you're not merely unaware of the state of the art in the field, but actively avoiding any risk of being contaminated by actual information about it. And I guess if you wanna be that way on your own dime, that's your business, but when you start telling other people they should avoid basic health care services because you're afraid of them, that's sorta harmful to other people.

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  13. Why bring up her physical disability? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Disabled Woman Denied Entrance To US Due To Private Medical Records

    While it wouldn't necessarily be a surprise to find out that her physical disability (paraplegia) might have had some affect on her mental wellbeing over the years, is it not just a little bit disingenuous to make it the first word of the headline, implying that it was her physical disability rather than her mental illness that caused the issue at the border?

    You wouldn't write the headline "Black man arrested for insider trading" would you?

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    1. Re:Why bring up her physical disability? by qeveren · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Aren't you assuming that mental illness isn't a disability?

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    2. Re:Why bring up her physical disability? by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Informative

      is it not just a little bit disingenuous to make it the first word of the headline, implying that it was her physical disability rather than her mental illness that caused the issue at the border?

      Since I wrote the headline, I'll tell you why I did it that way -- In order to emphasize that she was not a threat. The agent would not have needed "private medical records" to deny her entrance for being in a wheelchair.

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  14. Dude, you're way off base. by Runaway1956 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That creature was no bull dyke.

    Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not a fan of bull dykes, at all. I've no use for them, and they have no use for me. But, a bull dyke is a woman, after all, and human.

    That creature you refer to, who was running DHS, is a full fledged fascist pig, with an agenda of her own. She has no love for the United States, or any segment of the country's demographics.

    As little as might like bull dykes, I would have preferred that there actually WAS a militant lesbian bull running DHS.

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  15. The US just spies on everything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The point is that the NSA knows about everyones personal medical records. And they abuse that information.

  16. Ridiculous border restrictions by GauteL · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This reminds me of a former co-worker of mine at a university in Britain. My co-worker was Indian, held an MSc and a Research Fellow position at said university, while also being halfway through a PhD at the same university.

    He was scheduled to attend a conference in the US together with our line manager, but had to cancel as the US blankly refused him entrance on the grounds that the risk of him becoming an illegal immigrant was too high. Letters from the university did not help.

    Now, you may well be proud of your country, but is it really realistic to expect someone to be so desperate to live in the US that they will drop a relevant, career-progressing and decently paid job in another Western country to work in the kitchen of a golf club as an illegal immigrant?

    He now ironically works in the UK for a large, very high-tech US company.

    1. Re:Ridiculous border restrictions by Alioth · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It doesn't surprise me. An Indian friend of mine told me of all the extra things Indians have to do to get a visa that British people don't, for example if an Indian has to go to the US Embassy to apply, they have to turn up in a suit or they get denied. British people can turn up in jeans and T-shirt. Immigration services (and this isn't just the US) are often filled with arbitrary rules made up by petty officials who enjoy being little Hitlers. I lived in the US for something like 6 years. The INS in the US wasn't a particular problem, but the US Embassy in London may have come out of the pages of Franz Kafka.

      I had two run-ins with the US Embassy in London. The first was when getting my L-1 visa issued. They refused it, and told me I had to go to the Embassy for an interview. Since I don't live anywhere near London it's quite a trip, so I get there nice and early. Once you go past an airport-like security, you go into this large waiting room with all the other foreigners wanting visas. It's sort of a bit like a cross between a delicatessen and a railway ticket office - you get given a deli-style ticket with a number on it and they announce your number when they want to see you, and then you go to a train station style window to be interviewed (no privacy of course). I had no idea why they had refused the application, they just stamp it "224(g)" (IIRC) which means they need more information. The numbers don't seem to be read out in any particular sequence so you can't tell when you're going to be called, and you know if you miss your number they won't call it again and they'll make you come back another day, so you can't even get into a good book while you're waiting (typically 3-4 hours). They have these "newspapers" around the waiting room, I think they were called "Going USA". The first part of this newspaper was about happy emigrants who had left your country (and for some bizarre reason, the majority of them seemed to go to the US to run gas stations), how shit your country is and how wonderful the US is. The second half of this newspaper is dedicated to telling you how we're not going to give you a visa anyway.

      Finally I got called for my "interview", the guy asked me one question: how long have you worked for your company? I told him, he stamped my passport and said "Your visa will be in the mail".

      They could have asked me that on the phone. Or even an email. Instead of wasting money and time on a day going to London and waiting in that awful room for half of it.

      The second time was when my visa was extended in the US. That part of it was pretty painless. However, I wanted to go and see my family and you have to get a new visa put in your passport. This should be a formality since the visa is already approved by the INS, so really it should be a matter of filling in the form, sending off the passport to the US Embassy in London, and a few days later getting it back. Oh no, not so easy. They refused it again! They said the form I used was out of date. So I went to the US Embassy website and downloaded the new form. It turned out to be IDENTICAL to the old form, except for the date printed at the bottom. That stupidity cost an airline change fee and an extra two weeks off work that I would have rather taken off when I chose to take them off.

      Don't think I'm ragging on the US exclusively here. This kind of douchebaggery isn't confined to the US. My next door neighbour is Albanian, and exactly the kind of person we want coming to our country, she has an engineering degree, speaks three languages fluently and is a very smart person. However the British Embassy treated her as if she were a criminal, straight up saying to her "You're a liar" about her relationship with her husband. The treatment she was given in my country's name made me ashamed to be British.

  17. Re:Avoid a psychiatric diagnosis at all costs by bitrex · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The state of the art in the field is medication. The drugs have changed over time, but drugs have been the first line of treatment for at least 40 years now. I have both experienced myself, and witnessed in others the indescribable suffering and agony that can occur due to drug side-effects, and those that appear due to withdrawal of the drugs after long-term use. Psychiatry would have you believe, I suppose, that the central nervous system is endlessly plastic, and can rapidly adapt and respond to medications being added and removed as one pleases. For the majority, perhaps this is true - but there is a sizable minority who find their mental health deteriorate the longer they are on the medications, and then discover (to their horror) that they cannot discontinue the drug without terrifying mental and physical symptoms, far worse than the original illness. If it should happen to you, psychiatry absolutely _will not_ have your back, or really anything to offer you, as even the drug manufacturers themselves do not know how the medications affect the brain long term.

    One might argue that any treatment has risks, but after experiencing what I've experienced, I think people should understand what kind of risk they're really taking. For my part, I do not consider this kind of medication Russian roulette to be a "basic health care service."

  18. Re:You're correct, mostly by liamevo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I could be described as liberal, I think the over reaction to children playing with toy guns, drawing guns etc is absolutely ridiculous. What I find more ridiculous, is peoples inability to understand liberal and conservative are not two molds where everyone thinks exactly the same and has the same reaction and level of intelligence. Stop turning politics into a tribal war thinking there are two distinct sides, and one is out to get you.

  19. Re:Maybe not NSA snooping by Alioth · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The DHS quite obviously have access to sweeping surveillance information on anyone who wants to enter the US. This was obvious before the Snowden/NSA leak. A couple of years before that leak there was a British man who made national news here for being denied entry to the US (and being interrogated for hours) because of a tweet he made not long before he boarded the aircraft (the tweet was of the nature "we're gonna go out and destroy the town tonight" which in British slang means we're going to get drunk and party, but the DHS took it literally as if he were planning to bomb Seattle). To link someone's Twitter username with an actual living person in such a short period of time and have it ready on a border agent's computer when the unfortunate person arrives means they must have had pretty wide and detailed surveillance already capable of making all the links necessary to link a living person with a pseudanonymous Twitter username.

  20. Oh The Irony.... by Jahta · · Score: 5, Funny

    From TFA:

    'U.S. Customs and Border Protection media spokeswoman Jenny Burke said that due to privacy laws, “the department is prohibited from discussing specific cases.’’'

    If only they were always so scrupulous in observing privacy laws.

  21. Re:Her information was public, put away your tinfo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is like the fourth time in this article I have seen this. She wrote a book that was published something like 4 years ago, but yet the DHS knew about something that happened last year. Holy shit do you people pay any attention to what is going on? Or did you skim the summaray and then off to googling in the hopes you would earn some modderations if you brought back a tasty treat.

    You people sometimes, no fucking common sense.