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Scientists Uncover 3,700-Year-Old Wine Cellar

Taco Cowboy writes in with a link about the remnants of some well-aged wine recently uncovered in Israel. "Scientists have uncovered a 3,700-year-old wine cellar in the ruins of a Canaanite palace in Israel, chemical analysis from the samples from the ceramic jars suggest they held a luxurious beverage that was evidently reserved for banquets. The good stuff contains a blend of ingredients that may have included honey, mint, cedar, tree resins and cinnamon bark. The discovery confirms how sophisticated wines were at that time, something suggested only by ancient texts. The wine cellar was found this summer in palace ruins near the modern town of Nahariya in northern Israel. Researchers found 40 ceramic jars, each big enough to hold about 13 gallons, in a single room. There may be more wine stored elsewhere, but the amount found so far wouldn't be enough to supply the local population, which is why the researchers believe it was reserved for palace use. The unmarked jars are all similar as if made by the same potter. Chemical analysis indicates that the jars held red wine and possibly white wine. There was no liquid left; analyses were done on residues removed from the jars. An expert in ancient winemaking said the discovery 'sheds important new light' on the development of winemaking in ancient Canaan, from which it later spread to Egypt and across the Mediterranean."

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  1. ... a short while later ... by DavidClarkeHR · · Score: 5, Funny

    Shortly after discovering a 3,700 year old wine cellar, scientists declare:
    Ish totally ... not *hic* full of ... wine ... s'all empties, i sh-wear.

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    1. Re:... a short while later ... by mjwx · · Score: 5, Funny

      Shortly after discovering a 3,700 year old wine cellar

      Scientists discover the demented writings of a 3,700 year old wine snob.

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    2. Re:... a short while later ... by mysidia · · Score: 3, Funny

      Shortly after discovering a 3,700 year old wine cellar

      Scientists discover writing on the side of the jar saying "Instant canned fruit drink, type 3 field ration, just add beer"

  2. This was news two weeks ago by Nimey · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's been a couple weeks now since this was news on mainstream websites - the linked story is even from the 22nd of November. What's the point of posting it now?

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    1. Re:This was news two weeks ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      False. The only news on November 22 was the 50 year anniversary of JFK's assassination.

      Source: I happened to have checked the media that day.

    2. Re:This was news two weeks ago by spmkk · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What's the point of posting it now?

      So that those of us who go to "mainstream" websites for geopolitical news rather than scouring them for science/tech developments, and therefore might have missed this (as I did), can learn about it?

    3. Re:This was news two weeks ago by cyfer2000 · · Score: 2

      Oh the night that Paddy Murphy died, is a night I'll never forget. Some of the boys got loaded drunk, and they ain't got sober yet... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO7cd8uXVRQ

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    4. Re:This was news two weeks ago by nospam007 · · Score: 2

      "It's been a couple weeks now since this was news on mainstream websites - the linked story is even from the 22nd of November. What's the point of posting it now?"

      The wine cellar is now 3700 years and 2 weeks old.

    5. Re:This was news two weeks ago by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's 3700 years old. What difference does two weeks make, fer cryin' out loud?

    6. Re:This was news two weeks ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Archaeology is....a science!

    7. Re:This was news two weeks ago by drkim · · Score: 2

      It's 3700 years old. What difference does two weeks make, fer cryin' out loud?

      Its bouquet won't be fully developed for another year.

  3. those ingredients by FudRucker · · Score: 4, Interesting

    cedar, cinnamon bark, honey, etc...

    sounded like the ancient relatives of whoever invented Jaegarmeister http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%A4germeister

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    1. Re:those ingredients by Triklyn · · Score: 2

      toleration of germans requires fortification?

  4. Greece is "across the Mediterranean"!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    An expert in ancient winemaking said the discovery 'sheds important new light' on the development of winemaking in ancient Canaan, from which it later spread to Egypt and across the Mediterranean."

    Wine (drinking and making) was common in Greece before any Canaanite had heard that such drink even existed - and it was common for Greeks to trade their wine across the Mediterranean.

    1. Re:Greece is "across the Mediterranean"!? by Suiggy · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oy vey, this is anti-semitic.Don't you goyim know that the civilization of Judea was far superior to Greece? There's a reason the word "Hell" was chosen to signify the degeneracy and barbarism found in Hellinistic Greece.

    2. Re:Greece is "across the Mediterranean"!? by Dahamma · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Grapes were first domesticated and wine first produced in the Near East (modern day Syria, Israel, Turkey, Iran etc) and the Caucasus. Just as the article said, it later spread to Egypt and across the Mediterranean into Greece.

      Though 3700 years ago (aka 1700 BCE) isn't very far back in terms of these ancient civilizations (just in terms of Greek Civilization, maybe). The Near East had been making wine for thousands of years before that.

    3. Re:Greece is "across the Mediterranean"!? by HornWumpus · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Greeks claim wine like Russians claim vodka. Best not to argue with them in real life.

      Ignoring my own advice: Monkeys get drunk on naturally occurring fermented fruit. Wine was almost certainly discovered prior to modern humans reaching Greece.

      The Greeks did discover distillation, though they didn't drink the results. Give them vodka as a consolation prize.

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    4. Re:Greece is "across the Mediterranean"!? by TheSeatOfMyPants · · Score: 2

      The evidence goes a whole lot further back than a few thousand years ago -- just from a glance at Wikipedia's limited information, the earliest shards of pottery stained with wine were (using modern names, as my ancient geography sucks) in Georgia in 6000 BC, then Iran by 5000 BC, and Grecian Macedonia by 4500 BC. (Iran's evidence comes along with the earliest signs of painting the inside of the vessel with turpentine to introduce a common modern flavor, and Grecian Macedonia's case also involves the oldest recovered crushed wine grapes.)

      As a side note, 1,700 BC isn't all that "ancient" from Greece's standpoint: people were already living in Northern Greece (Macedonia)by 270,000 BC, and their civilizations trace back at least to the Early Bronze Age in 3200 BC. (I'm not clear on exactly how it is that the first traces are 3200 BC, yet they've found crushed grapes -- which seem like a pretty clear sign of civilization to me -- that are 700 years older. Then again, I've never been very good at history.)

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  5. Sophisticated? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Do you add 'honey, mint, cedar, tree resins and cinnamon bark' to your wine because your technique is "sophisticated" or because you are trying to restore some semblance of drinkability to the result of a really dreadful fermentation process?

    1. Re:Sophisticated? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2

      It reminded me of the brew that the Roman soldiers drank: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posca

      Take bad wine and vinegar, and then spice and sweeten it up to make an ancient version of Coke.

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    2. Re:Sophisticated? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Funny

      That sounds like it would be good for bolstering legionary morale: if the alternative is drinking it, fighting to the death against whatever enemies are available starts to sound substantially more attractive...

    3. Re:Sophisticated? by KingOfBLASH · · Score: 2

      Not like any modern cultures do anything similar...

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulled_wine
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sangria

    4. Re:Sophisticated? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Glühwein (the word for mulled wine) "

      Jesus Christ. OK, look, I've lived years in Germany, I've spent the last week drinking a lot of Gluehwein, but saying that "Gluehwein" is "the word for mulled wine" just makes you look like a cretin. Is "Gluehwein" what we call mulled wine in Britain? No. Is Britain part of Europe? Yes. We call it, err, mulled wine. It even tastes slightly different from Gluehwein, and I say that as a man who has lived many years in Britain and many years in Germany. So let's go north, to Scandinavia. Do they drink Gluehwein in Scandinavia? OH FUCK NO THEY DON'T DRINK ANY GLUEHWEIN. They drink gløgg in Norway, which last time I looked was in Europe, gløgg in Denmark which last time I looked was in Europe *and* the EU (holy shit!), and glögg in Sweden which, oh my God, is in Europe and the EU.

      OK, so let's go away from Scandinavia and into France. Surely they must drink Gluehwein, right? Right? Surely! I mean, France is central to the EU, right? Right? Oh, fuck. Gluehwein is a German word. The French don't drink Gluehwein. They drink vin chaud. Shit.

      OK, Spain! Come on, Spain! You can prove KingOfBLASH right and not a cretin! What do you drink, Spain? Gluehwein! Gluehwein! Gluehwein! Oh. No. You drink vino caliente. Cunts.

      Italy. You're one of our last hopes. We've lost Britain, we've lost Scandinavia and we've lost France. Come on, Italy! You drink... oh god you drink vin brulé. How could you?

      I knwo for a fact I'll be modded to oblivion for mocking you on this point, but honestly, try and say something serious rather than talking out of your arse. Gluehwein is very clearly not "the word" for "mulled wine" in Europe. Fuck's sake, Ireland both speaks English and uses the euro, and they call it fucking "mulled wine".

    5. Re:Sophisticated? by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      French producers of 'vin ordinair' were threatening to go on strike because American/Australian box wine is putting them out of business.

      The frogs never quite got the 'on strike' thing. You can't go 'on strike' because nobody is buying your product. French drunks prefer box wine.

      They could start buy getting their flies/bottle average down to 1.

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    6. Re:Sophisticated? by Majkow · · Score: 3, Insightful

      you forgot after you finish the boxed wine (commonly called goon in australia) you can blow up the bladder to use a pillow and have a nap. or play wheel of goon arrange people around a rotary clothes line, attach 1 goon bag (boxed wine) and spin. who ever ends up with the bag of goon above them has to drink. add more bags as desired.

    7. Re:Sophisticated? by TheSeatOfMyPants · · Score: 2

      How fitting that it's one letter off from my great-aunt's first name -- Aunt Tosca always seemed nice at first, but the bitter hints of spiteful jealousy were impossible to ignore before long!

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    8. Re:Sophisticated? by KingOfBLASH · · Score: 2

      I'm a cretin? Is that an attack ad hominem? Where does all of this anger come from?

      You would be correct that grammatically I should have said "a word for mulled wine" instead of "the word for mulled wine." But that doesn't really warrant such an insane reaction.

      Some of the countries you forgot to mention like Austria, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Switzerland (and probably a few others) use the term Glühwein to describe some sort of warm wine drink flavored with different ingredients.

      In other countries you did mention, if you go to a typical Christmas market you will see many places advertising "Glühwein." If you go to cafes in winter you may also see Glühwein on the menu. Usually it's advertised in big letters, alongside whatever the local equivalent is (e.g. Vin Chaud in France). I've seen this in France and Sweden, but I'd imagine it extends to other countries as well. Most people over here understand what Glühwein is, and if you go into a cafe and ask for it there's a good chance they'll understand what you want.

    9. Re:Sophisticated? by omnichad · · Score: 2

      I read their whole comment thinking - wow, that's really a long criticism for accidentally picking the wrong article (a vs. the). Before I could comment on it, you confirmed it!

  6. Miraculous! by O'Bunny · · Score: 2

    Only the residue left? So you could add it to water and turn it into wine?

    1. Re:Miraculous! by DarkOx · · Score: 4, Informative

      So you could add it to water and turn it into wine?

      No probably just some nasty brownish sludge. All of the volatiles including the alcohol will be gone. The rest of the what was once there will probably be heavily oxidized and taste pretty nasty too. Its not instant coffee ( which is generally pretty bad itself).

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  7. Actually... No. by gwolf · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Canaanites are known to come from Sumerian-Accadian roots (just as Hebrews, later turned Jews). You can look, as an example, as their cosmology. Summerian goddess Inanna (and the whole pantheon around her, being she not the only but a very important goddess — And yes, I know the word pantheon _is_ Greek) is replicated in Canaan. Some Canaanite tribes were known to also worship trees as gods (and that's why the names for many trees in Hebrew include the particle "El" — Ilan, alon, ela, etc.), and that's why the old testament specifically forbids making altars to (the only, Israelite) God "under big trees and in high places".

    As for Philistines, there might be some link to Greeks: After all, the main Philistine god was "the lord of the flies" (Baal Zvuv — One of the names of the devil, "Belcebu" stems from it). From the composed name, "Baal" means basically "the lord, and Zvuv has an ethimological closeness to "Zeus". The theology is, however, quite different.

    1. Re:Actually... No. by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 2

      ok, you seem to know what you're talking about. let me ask you this: how does the gatekeeper and keymaster figure into all of this?

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  8. Re:Nice spices by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

    Most of the booze you can get today is quite au naturel.

    Who told you that? There's tons of alcohols with all kinds of adulterants. Besides the 60 or so assorted additives used in winemaking, people put pretty much any spices you might imagine into craft beers, and there's all kinds of herbal and herbal-infused alcohols. Jaegermeister is the best-known, but a pretty fair cocktail of herbs is used to make Bombay Sapphire Gin, and an even broader palette is used to create Hendrick's.

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